LE went into this to find a missing child. There is no reason for them to immediately go from "missing kidnapped child" to "possible murder". LE investigated the missing child story and when it was obvious that there was no apartment that Zenaida lived in, no apartment that Zenaida's mother lived in and no job at universal, the investigation changed directions
The only lingering question I have is the following:
What can Mallory possibly be thinking by having chosen to and continuing to choose to stay connected to the Anthony family?
LE went into this to find a missing child. There is no reason for them to immediately go from "missing kidnapped child" to "possible murder". LE investigated the missing child story and when it was obvious that there was no apartment that Zenaida lived in, no apartment that Zenaida's mother lived in and no job at universal, the investigation changed directions
With all due respect to WSers who sleuthed for three years because they care about little Caylee and justice, can someone help me see the point in this ongoing discussion of the evidence and what was allowed and what was not allowed, etc., given the perp has been found not guilty?
I mean, if Caylee's murder were an ongoing investigation I could understand, but the case has been solved and the killer is being set free so I just do not see the point in rehashing all this. I know some find it necessary for the healing process but I am not sure this is not more likely to prolong the pain of this sad, sad case.
I can only assume that the tape wasn't the same brand and that the hairs didn't match Caylee's DNA? Because otherwise why wouldn't that have been really weighty evidence to add to the prosecution's theory??
And yes, the irony of making an accident look like murder...
With all due respect to WSers who sleuthed for three years because they care about little Caylee and justice, can someone help me see the point in this ongoing discussion of the evidence and what was allowed and what was not allowed, etc., given the perp has been found not guilty?
I mean, if Caylee's murder were an ongoing investigation I could understand, but the case has been solved and the killer is being set free so I just do not see the point in rehashing all this. I know some find it necessary for the healing process but I am not sure this is not more likely to prolong the pain of this sad, sad case.
There are probably a few reasons.
()--- Decades after the fact, people still debate events like the assassinations of JFK and MLK Jr., the deaths of celebs like Natalie Wood, the Chappaquiddick incident, and the Jon-Benet story, because they find unanswered questions in the official narrative, and are naturally curious.
()--- People might still assume that ICA will face further litigation, such as OJ did in his civil suit from the Goldmans, and the Zeneida Gonzales defamation suit. The ICA saga might not be officially over.
()--- Those in criminal justice careers could perhaps gain practical insight from analyzing this case, which JA said was the most intellectually complex and engaging of his 30 year career. This is similar to college courses in case law, where cases a century old are still studied for legal insights.
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LE was looking for a live missing child - a stinky car was not their first priority - and who said LE was going in and out of the house through the garage?Yes, however LE walked in and out of the garage into the house and right past the sunfire on that night in July and not one of them smelled a foul smell much less smelt it and lept to decomposition. This was, according to so many other people who smelt it, a very obvious and foul smell and one everyone claimed was decomposition. Lee even said he walked past the car and it stunk. George and the tow yard owner said they smelled it on approach in a open air parking lot. I don't get how a bunch of seasoned experienced homicide LE officers didn't notice it, and identify it as suspicious and at least take a glance.
LE was looking for a live missing child - a stinky car was not their first priority - and who said LE was going in and out of the house through the garage?
Yes, however LE walked in and out of the garage into the house and right past the sunfire on that night in July and not one of them smelled a foul smell much less smelt it and lept to decomposition. This was, according to so many other people who smelt it, a very obvious and foul smell and one everyone claimed was decomposition. Lee even said he walked past the car and it stunk. George and the tow yard owner said they smelled it on approach in a open air parking lot. I don't get how a bunch of seasoned experienced homicide LE officers didn't notice it, and identify it as suspicious and at least take a glance.
I believe it was Cindy on the stand. She said the main front door to their home was never used. Furthering that point it was extra locked up and secured because they never used it. They all pulled into the garage and used the garage door into the main home.
This was again mentioned when the certified letter from the towing company was placed on their front door. Since the door was never used, it took a bit longer for them to find. It was found somewhat by chance when George and Cindy were weeding the front yard one day.
If I remember correctly, Cindy said on the stand, the night she found Casey at Tonys and demanded she be taken to get Caylee, she drove home, pulled into the driveway or garage. Lee was already there. I believe Lee even remarked how bad it stunk that night. They all went into the house via the garage. Her testimony gave me to understand the garage door was left open and LE entered the home via the garage door also.
I believe one of the female officers testified she pasted by the cars in the garage on her way in and out of the house back to the patrol car.
I could understand it if the garage was on the other side of the house and no one went near the cars. However from many accounts, everyone walked right past the cars many times that night in and out of the house back and forth to the police cars. This was more than a stinky car. It was a car that clearly stunk of decomposition from a distance as many testified on the stand. George and the towing company owner said they smelled it on approach so much so George claimed he prayed it was Casey or Caylee dead inside the trunk. The Tow guy said he believed it was decomposition and held his tongue.
LE officers don't smell decomposition and ignore it because no one is reporting a dead body. I am just rather surprised LE didn't smell it and at least check it out. It wasn't cleaned to the point it was masked because Dr Vass got the air samples and "took 2 steps back" after smelling it it was SO bad.
Something doesn't sit right about this whole thing.
Either the smell was lied about, exaggerated, or some people have a more acute sense of smell than others or some just ignored it. I don't see what else it could be.
yes cindy did say that on the stand re: the tow yard letter but when LE did the search warrants, twice, and when they went to check whatever when ICA was out on bond and when they went to arrest ICA - LE used the front door per the videos. If ICA and Lee weren't in the garage when LE arrived the natural thing and safe thing for them to do would be go to the front door.
It would be the natural thing, yes, I agree. I didn't get that impression from everything Cindy said. If indeed LE did go in and out of the house via the front door then its very understandable how no one saw it much less smelled anything.
We don't have a video of that night but there are videos of when LE went to the house, twice, with search warrants and when they went there to arrest ICA - they used the front door.
Well, that is the answer Yuri gave on the stand and I respect your post and your opinion, but I still say there was no excuse for LE not to check the car as soon as they arrived at the Anthony's house on July 15 2008. You say it was initially a "missing kidnapped child" but even before that... really ... the very first thing... the thing that started this entire thing, was Cindy saying, "Something is wrong. It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car." Now, hearing that, I would have to say any officer arriving on the scene would HAVE to check out the car. To me, that is so obvious I can't for the life of me figure out why it was not done.
How many missing kidnapped children end up being dead bodies? I have no idea what the percentage is, but I would think it would be high enough for even any rookie cop to go check out the car after a family member relayed the fact in the 911 call that the mother of the child who is missing/kidnapped has a car that smells like there's been a dead body inside!!!
I am just frustrated at what could have been done and was not done. There is no excuse, absolutely none, for not checking out that car with the dead body smell upon arrival after that call. And, imo, there is no hindsight involved in this either. Like I said before, Cindy served it up on a silver platter with her 911 call. I am not sure how much plainer it could get.
I will agree to disagree on this, though, and thanks for responding.
Hey I am stressed as ----. I want answers too. So I apologize if I came off too abrupt - didn't mean it personal towards you at all. I agree with you that everything is off - 3 years and what just happened?
I think that denial can be tagged in many situations every day, when normal people encounter what doesn't immediately get processed in their brain. I hope I explained that to say what I mean, it's a different thing than what we've come to know as traditional denial.
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For family members, for people in the immediate witness area of a crime, perhaps yes, but not LE attending the scene. They are not emotionally attached to the scene and are trained to respond otherwise.
My comments about the denial were about George being the Grandpa. I think in that series of moments the Gpa side was a bit stronger than the former LE side of him. With Caylee being his grandbaby his denial won out slightly. He knew what that smell was but he couldn't process it fully. I did find it interesting that he went behind Cindy's back to LE and talked to them about things, including his recognition of that smell.