GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #24

[Bravo]

Welcome Cole Thompson :seeya: I look forward to reading your book as well.

 

[vlpate]

maybe the federal bureau of prisons or the alabama dept. of corrections (whichever has jurisdiction over jvds) would pay peru to incarcerate him there on their behalf?

You could be right. Seems it would be less expensive

 

[otto]

maybe the federal bureau of prisons or the alabama dept. of corrections (whichever has jurisdiction over jvds) would pay peru to incarcerate him there on their behalf?

Peru has first dibbs.

They should allow for a US trial ... all the US has to do is ensure that v.d.Sloot will be returned to Peru at the end of the US trial.

 

[otto]

i've looked at thousands of crime scene photos in my life... sometimes you can't truly get the magnitude, scope, heinousness of the crime without them. stephany's showed me how much she fought for her life.

the only crime scene pics that really ever bothered me -and still do- are jonbenet's

It's simply my opinion that the Voice of the Victim should not be distributing photos of the crime scene and describing the brutality of the murder. That's over the top sensationalism ... too much information. It adds nothing.

We care. We don't need the gory details. We can figure out that if this is v.d.Sloot's MO, this is why Natalie disappeared and how she was killed. He doesn't have two MOs ... one where Natalie passed out and he secretly hid her body and another where he violently loses his temper and beats a woman to death. What victim is Nancy Grace aiding when she shows pictures of Natalie beside Stephanie and then describes what happened to Stephanie? Who is this talking head helping?

 

[Bobbisangel]

This John Ludwick guy claims that Stephany brought it all on herself by "provoking" JVDS when she looked at his computer. Forensic computer evidence shows that the NH information was brought up earlier in the day BEFORE Stephany ever came to the room. So that part was a lie. Apparently John is only taking into account Joran's version of the murder, not the evidence.

I have never believed that Stephanie looked at Joran's laptop and saw something about Natalie. She doesn't look like she would snoop while he was in the bathroom or elsewhere. I think he got her to go to his room because he was going to try to get into her pants and then ask her for a loan. She had won big money a few nights before and he probably thought he could borrow a few thousand. She probably said no to sex and he hit her in the face and she fought back and he killed her. Much to his surprise she had a few hundred on her and not thousands. He took that money, credit cards and her car. I think Joran probably thinks every girl should just lay down for him and she refused. He had made a comment to someone not long before that the girls weren't paying much attention to him and he just couldn't understand why. He has a very high opinion of himself and how dare anyone say "no."

 

[otto]

It will be a lesson in International Law. Quite interested to see how this all plays out. Hopefully JVS never walks a free man. I would like to see him prosecuted on the U.S. charges ASAP. In case he doesn't survive his current term. I just want him to know before he dies he will never be free of the crimes. The crimes we are aware of that is.

I think he's toast. Even if he manages to reduce his 28 year sentence to 10 with good behavior and educational enthusiasm, he faces another 30 in the US, and that won't change with good behavior. That makes him 82 years old as potentially the earliest date that he could be released. He won't be preying on women in the Aruban sun anytime soon.

His mother said that if he did it, she would not visit him in a Peruvian prison. I wonder if she will ever see him again - somehow, I doubt it.

 

[Cole Thompson]

Before I log off for the night I'd like to add one last photo. We didn't have room for Joran's fingerprint spread in the book, but I've always wanted it released. If Joran did commit other murders, perhaps his fingerprints could be useful to other law enforcement agencies throughout the world. Please spread his prints far and wide.

 

[suzihawk]

Thanks, Cole! I suspect he's commited more than the two murders we know of.

Clearly you're passionate about this case and not just here to promote your book (which was terrific) and I appreciate that so much. I hope you'll continue to provide your valuable insights and opinions with us.

 

[Bravo]

I think he's toast. Even if he manages to reduce his 28 year sentence to 10 with good behavior and educational enthusiasm, he faces another 30 in the US, and that won't change with good behavior. That makes him 82 years old as potentially the earliest date that he could be released. He won't be preying on women in the Aruban sun anytime soon.

His mother said that if he did it, she would not visit him in a Peruvian prison. I wonder if she will ever see him again - somehow, I doubt it.

Agree

 

[otto]

I have never believed that Stephanie looked at Joran's laptop and saw something about Natalie. She doesn't look like she would snoop while he was in the bathroom or elsewhere. I think he got her to go to his room because he was going to try to get into her pants and then ask her for a loan. She had won big money a few nights before and he probably thought he could borrow a few thousand. She probably said no to sex and he hit her in the face and she fought back and he killed her. Much to his surprise she had a few hundred on her and not thousands. He took that money, credit cards and her car. I think Joran probably thinks every girl should just lay down for him and she refused. He had made a comment to someone not long before that the girls weren't paying much attention to him and he just couldn't understand why. He has a very high opinion of himself and how dare anyone say "no."

I don't think so either. I think that v.d.Sloot was willing to do anything to get some extra cash so he could return home. He had missed his flight from Aruba to the Netherlands for psychiatrist assessment, so it was safe to return home. He needed the money, he wanted the money and he was on edge and filled with a couple of drinks to the point where he thought he was clever and could get away with it.

I wonder if his father told him that he was clever when he was in the casino at the age of 14. Surely his father said to him, from time to time, that he was good at gambling - when there was a win with Joran calling the shots (what better way to teach than by example, tral and error). Wasn't Paul's explanation about what he did the morning after the disappearance that he went to the bank to deposit his son's casino winnings - even though v.d.Sloot junior was only 17 years old? Why would his father be so prompt with the bank deposit if it wasn't routine? Why didn't me make the deposit on the weekend weekend or a time when it didn't conflict with going to work? Seems odd. I hope Anita is prepared for a lot more scrutiny into what really went on while she was in the Netherlands and Natalie went missing.

 

[katydid23]

I have never believed that Stephanie looked at Joran's laptop and saw something about Natalie. She doesn't look like she would snoop while he was in the bathroom or elsewhere. I think he got her to go to his room because he was going to try to get into her pants and then ask her for a loan. She had won big money a few nights before and he probably thought he could borrow a few thousand. She probably said no to sex and he hit her in the face and she fought back and he killed her. Much to his surprise she had a few hundred on her and not thousands. He took that money, credit cards and her car. I think Joran probably thinks every girl should just lay down for him and she refused. He had made a comment to someone not long before that the girls weren't paying much attention to him and he just couldn't understand why. He has a very high opinion of himself and how dare anyone say "no."

BBM

I agree. I think Joran just made that up to TRY and have some kind of justification for his temper tantrum. I don't think she did anything wrong, other than to fall for his 'nice guy' act that he put on for her. He wanted her to come back to his room so he could beg, borrow or steal more $$$$$$$.

 

[vlpate]

Why hasn't Thailand brought charges against JVDS for the women they suspect went missing while he was running his sex trade business? Maybe this was just an Enquirer story....Cole?

 

[suzihawk]

I don't think so either. I think that v.d.Sloot was willing to do anything to get some extra cash so he could return home. He had missed his flight from Aruba to the Netherlands for psychiatrist assessment, so it was safe to return home. He needed the money, he wanted the money and he was on edge and filled with a couple of drinks to the point where he thought he was clever and could get away with it.

I wonder if his father told him that he was clever when he was in the casino at the age of 14. Surely his father said to him, from time to time, that he was good at gambling - when there was a win with Joran calling the shots (what better way to teach than by example, tral and error). Wasn't Paul's explanation about what he did the morning after the disappearance that he went to the bank to deposit his son's casino winnings - even though v.d.Sloot junior was only 17 years old? Why would his father be so prompt with the bank deposit if it wasn't routine? Why didn't me make the deposit on the weekend weekend or a time when it didn't conflict with going to work? Seems odd. I hope Anita is prepared for a lot more scrutiny into what really went on while she was in the Netherlands and Natalie went missing.

BBM

Where did you get that from? Link? I don't think he had any intention of going to the Netherlands for any assessment or treatment. Nor do I believe that Anita had any such thing scheduled. In fact, he left a note for his mother telling her not worry, that he was going to Peru for a poker tournament. I don't recall anything about him missing a flight.

 

[Cole Thompson]

Thanks. I lost my own younger brother this past October. Until then I don't think I truly understood the anguish the sudden and violent loss of a loved one creates. I think about the Holloway and Flores families every day. I imagine Joran's conviction is of some relief to both families, but the void created by their loss will be with them forever.

 

[HMSHood]

I appeared on Dr. Drew last night on HLN to discuss Joran van der Sloot's never before released psychiatric report. While the conclusions have been reported before, the full report has never been made public. I felt bad that we were not able to delve deeper into the report on the show, so, for those inclined to go a little deeper into this psychopath's mind you'll find below the full report: (the report is of course translated for easier reading)
Thank again, Cole Thompson, Co-author, "Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery"

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

Peruvian National Police Department (DIRINCRI)

Psychological Report

A. Origin: DIRINCRI PNP

B. Background : #2103-10 DIRINCRI Homicide Division

C. Exam

1) NAME : Joran Petrus van der Sloot 22

2) REASON: He is implicated in the alleged crime against the life, body and health of Stephany Flores 21. Body found on June 2nd at aprox 4:40 am inside room 309 of the Hotel Tac.

3) PLACE AND DATE Division of Homicide June 7th 2010

4) METHOD Psychological interview, Mental exam, Psychological tests

D. Results


Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery
1) Description of the physical appearance and attitude of the examinee

The examinee presents himself as a detainee in regular state of physical cleanliness and appearance. Light skinned, of white race, tall in stature, slim, hair neatly cut and dyed blonde. Has a tattoo in the Thai language that translated means “No problem,” in the left pectoral muscle. His facial expression reflects serenity and stiffness, at times pensive and introspective, his gaze is fixed and sad, but making eye contact. The language comprehensible, although at times it is difficult because of the translation into Spanish. His accent being that of a foreigner. His posture is somewhat stooped, his walk coordinated without any visible physical disorder.

During the evaluation he looks tense and preoccupied, he seems passive, communicative, accessible and given to dialogue, on occasion he is anxious moving his lower extremities constantly, and exhibiting a tremor in his hands. He recounts the events of the investigation coherently, responding clearly to the questions asked and accepting the blame for the criminal events for which he is being investigated; however from time to time (beginning of aggression) offers answers in his favor, where it can be perceived the incoherence between the statement and his emotional responses, which reflects the hiding of information. While offering information of his family life he turns volatile and cries, showing that he is affected by the consequences of his legal situation. He assists partially with the process of the psychological examination.

2. Verbatim account of the reason for his detention

“I met Stephany on May 28th at the Atlantic City casino at approximately 6pm, she approached me, I was playing poker, she knew there was a Dutchman, she said ‘You are the Dutchman that plays poker. I am a poker amateur.’ I had bought a telephone chip in Wong and we exchanged telephone numbers, I chatted with her for a while, five minutes and she said, ‘Tomorrow I am going to call you to do something together’ and the following day she called me in the morning of May 29th, and she said, ‘I am going to have coffee and I am going to play poker.’ I said I’ll see you later, and around 6pm I went to the Atlantic City Casino alone, from 6pm until two in the morning I was playing blackjack and I went upstairs to the poker game and Stephany arrived at the table where I was playing, I spoke with her and she asked me if I had a girlfriend and I told her that I am single and she said ‘I have a girl, I am a lesbian,’ I said, it doesn’t matter, in Holland I have homosexual friends, lesbians, afterwards I said to her let’s go to my room to play poker on my laptop, I had drank whisky cola at the Atlantic City Casino, later on I drank 4 or 5 pisco sours, I don’t know if she drank a lot, but she did drink wine. We were there up until 5:30 in the morning. After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500. We went to the room, she went of her own accord, we entered the room and we sat on the bed, I opened my Facebook account and I had received a message where they said, ‘I’m going to kill you,’ It was because of the Aruba case, they insulted me, there were always those messages and I was chatting with Stephany, telling her about the Aruba case, that I hadn’t done anything wrong, and at a certain point I reacted with a strike on the nose (he makes a gesture with his elbow) and there was a lot of blood and I struck her head against the wall and I didn’t know what I was thinking. I had n impulsive reaction, she struck first with her hand on my head (he closes his hand forming a fist) and we began hitting each other, she had strength or she was strong, then I grabbed her from the neck (he shows with his hands that he grabs her tightly about the neck) and she bled a lot. I didn’t want to see a lot of blood and I wanted to remove the sheet, and I was a little frightened, blood spilled on my clothing and I covered her face, I do not remember what she was saying, she began to breath heavily and I took her pants off and I covered her face, until I couldn’t hear anything else, I changed my t-shirt, I didn’t take a shower, I took her keys and her cards and money that there was, 850 soles, I left the room and I saw a person and I said nothing, I wanted to leave that place, I left in the car, I don’t know the streets of Lima, I wanted to go as far as possible, I left the car anywhere, I threw the keys and the cards away in a garbage bin, I paid for a cab and I went to the airport, but I was afraid and I went to a bus company, then I asked a cabbie to take me to another city, farther away and in the direction of Chile.”

“I left the hotel at eight am more or less, I was with Stephany for two hours, we went to my room as friends, nothing about sexual relations.”

3. Relevant data of his personal history

Born in Holland, Aug 6th 1987. The eldest of three brothers.
The family is comprised of his father who was Paul van der Sloot, a judge in Aruba (deceased) His mother Anita van der Sloot, professor, the family relationship was good, he remembers that there was better communication with his father than with his mother, he travelled frequently to different countries with his parents and brothers. His brothers are Valentino (19) and Sebastian (15), he was closer to the youngest brother and as he remembers he turns unstable. He does not manifest any violence or maltreatment on the part of his family.
He lived with his parents until age 17, when he was accused of the death of a young woman in Aruba and after three months, the time that it took to process the investigation, of which he was absolved, he traveled to Holland with views to “forget the events, especially the time he spent in prison,” resides there for two years, while he studies international business, and receiving 800 Euros per month from the Dutch government, however he indicates that “I didn’t take my studies very seriously,” playing poker instead, tennis, and enjoying himself. Also indicated that he did not have any productive activities that would have helped in his personal development.
He abandons Holland because he is filmed through a hidden camera in an interview with a “friend” about the death of the girl in Aruba, which is then broadcast on Dutch TV, which was the reason he traveled to Thailand, where he resided until Feb of 2010 in that country he had a restaurant were pizza and coffee were sold across from the university; said business was left in the care of a friend, in exchange for a rent of $1,500 USD, in Feb of 2010 he comes back to Aruba due to his father’s death and to keep his mother company.
School, indicates having been a good student, restless as a child, but doing well in school. He reports not having skipped school, because his school was private and everything was communicated to the parents. He did not have fights with his friends or problems with his teachers. His schoolwork was good, for which he was accepted to several universities in the United States, but he had to reject those due to the problem of the girl who disappeared in Aruba.
He reports having masturbated since he was 14 years old, which was done alone or with his male friends, watching *advertiser censored* videos on the Internet, on only one instance a male friend gave him oral sex. At age 14 he had his first girlfriends and his first sexual experience, the relationship lasted for a year and a half. He has had two girlfriends and several casual relationships for short periods of time; it wasn’t difficult to establish relationships. Nowadays he masturbates two to three times a week. He doesn’t exhibit sexual problems. His girlfriend in Thailand liked to use sex toys and objects.
In reference to work, he has not had a stable job, until two and a half years ago when he opened his business in Thailand (pizza and coffee).
He has consumed alcohol since he was 18. When in prison in Aruba he used marijuana; said consumption has become more frequent; after his father’s death alcohol consumption has increased; in Peru he drank whisky cola and pisco sours almost daily. He says he uses marijuana “when I don’t want to think. It hardens me. It does not make me sentimental.”
He reports to be a person who enjoys sports such as tennis and soccer; as well as poker, a game that in some instances has made him a lot of money, and also “cheating” in the company of his friends.
In addition, he indicates that when he agreed to interviews he would charge between fifty and one hundred thousand dollars.
4 Evaluation of cognitive functions:

Consciousness level Lucid and conscience of time, place and person
Attention and concentration level: Slightly diminished due to current stress
Memory Intact
Language: Exhibits difficulty in expressing himself in the Spanish language, however, he is understood with adequate association of ideas.
Thought process : Logical and coherent. His thought process is abstract, he is capable of conceptualizing and perceiving stimuli beyond what is concrete and evident.
Social judgment: Exhibits normal capacity to analyze and solve common situations of everyday life, proceeding in an impulsive manner when confronted with conflict or unpleasant situations, as well as driven by his personal satisfaction and fancies.
Cultural and intellectual level: He exhibits an information and general cultural level that corresponds to his instruction level (superior incomplete international business). Average intellectual level, with the potential to broaden his intellectual efficiency
5. Personality traits and characteristics

He faces regular stimuli with anxiety and insecurity, he strives to control, however, when he recalls the family unit he tends to become emotional and cries.
He is sociable and finds it easy to establish interpersonal relationships through friendly and charismatic conduct in order to captivate others, even though he can be indifferent when it comes to the well being of others; has the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style, because of this he constantly watches out for only his own personal gain.
He exhibits a deficient social conscience as is observed through the violation of rules and the involvement in actions that affect others, without regard for the rights of others, looking only to satisfy his own interests (Money), and through withholding of information and/or distortion of facts in order to project a good self image.
He leans towards social irresponsibility, the absence of achievement and the enjoyment of superficial activities, games of chance, and in general a libertine lifestyle.
He has low tolerance for frustration, does not tolerate inconveniences, he resents and offends easily, which engenders a feeling of revenge. If the situation calls for it he resorts to verbal and physical aggression when necessary.
He is prone to emotional immaturity, he shows sudden changes in behavior, from simple irony, impatience, and impulsive mordacity, indignation, excessive irritability and incontrollable emotions, that makes him prone to behavior that is excessively aggressive, without regard to injury of third parties, because he rarely complies with established rules of reason and prudence.
He identifies with his masculine role. Exhibits certain dominance over the opposite sex, minimizing and devaluing the feminine image.
E: Conclusions

Joran van der Sloot (22) at the time of this exam does not exhibit psychopathological disorders, which would impede his ability to evaluate reality.
Exhibits an average intellectual level, which potentially could broaden his intellectual efficiency. The examinee presents an anti-social personality characterized by the ease with which he establishes superficial interpersonal relationships, indifference when it comes to others’ well being and the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style; deficient social conscience that shows in the violation of rules and the mixing in events that affect others’ rights, looking only to advance his own interests. He shows social irresponsibility, the enjoyment of superficial activities, in general a libertine and hedonistic lifestyle in search of new sensations in order to be stimulated. Low tolerance to frustration, unable to stand inconveniences and a tendency to generate a vengeful attitude. Emotionally immature which prompts sudden changes in his behavior that can go from simple criticism, to out of control emotions, which make him prone to commit acts against the lives of others. Shows certain dominance over the opposite sex with the devaluation of the feminine figure.
-Lima, June 7, 2010

Interview conducted by: Silvia Rojas Regalado, Forensic Psychologist with the Peruvian National Police (Also a professor at the Escuela Iberoamericana de Desarrollo Social)

I see that immaturity is a recurring theme with psychopaths and non-psychopathic killers. Examples.
Lori Drew
Casey Anthony
Jerry Sandusky
Seung-Hui Cho
Diane Downs
Jennifer Petkov
Fred Phelps?
Osama bin Laden?

Interestingly, they are also the most hated people.

 

[suzihawk]

Thanks. I lost my own younger brother this past October. Until then I don't think I truly understood the anguish the sudden and violent loss of a loved one creates. I think about the Holloway and Flores families every day. I imagine Joran's conviction is of some relief to both families, but the void created by their loss will be with them forever.

I'm so sorry! I think that's what brings (and keeps) many of us here fighting for justice.

 

[otto]

Before I log off for the night I'd like to add one last photo. We didn't have room for Joran's fingerprint spread in the book, but I've always wanted it released. If Joran did commit other murders, perhaps his fingerprints could be useful to other law enforcement agencies throughout the world. Please spread his prints far and wide.

Portrait of a Monster is so common these days ... v.d.Sloot is different in a very dangerous way. He appeared and functioned normally, aside from behavioral problems, until the age of 16 or 17. Even his girlfriend confirms that he was a romantic, lovesick tween. Since that time, it seems that he cannot deal with skeptical disagreement, especially with women. His response is violence ... vicious, prolonged, violent physical aggression.

 

[HMSHood]

Portrait of a Monster is so common these days ... v.d.Sloot is different in a very dangerous way. He appeared and functioned normally, aside from behavioral problems, until the age of 16 or 17. Even his girlfriend confirms that he was a romantic, lovesick tween. Since that time, it seems that he cannot deal with skeptical disagreement, especially with women. His response is violence ... vicious, prolonged, violent physical aggression.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t189/zed0101/vdslootprints.jpg

Van der Sloot likes control and hates people disagreeing with him. He wants to live a "millionaire playboy" lifestyle without working.

 

[redheadedgal]

I think he's toast. Even if he manages to reduce his 28 year sentence to 10 with good behavior and educational enthusiasm, he faces another 30 in the US, and that won't change with good behavior. That makes him 82 years old as potentially the earliest date that he could be released. He won't be preying on women in the Aruban sun anytime soon.

82? sorry but your math and facts are wrong.

iirc, it was said he could get out in peru in 9-14 years...

(btw, he received a 28 year sentence but he's only got 26 more years to serve with time served)

he's 24 now


peru sentence: 24+14 (max time)=38

US sentence: 38+30=68

using your 10 years: 24+10+30=64

btw, i don't find crime scene pics "sensational". that is your opinion. i stand by my opinion of the value of the pics. you'll have to ask NG why she posts them ??

 

[otto]

Agree

That should be 62 ... if he is released in Peru in 10 years, plus 30 years in a US privon, he will be 62 years old when he returns to Aruba. He should be completely mad and unable to function in society after all that prison time ... so the Dutch will likely/hopefully ship him away to an instituion ... end of story. I doubt either of his brothers wll vouch for him. We know his mother won't. If Joran had listened to his mother, he would have taken this 62 year route (psychiatric assessment in the Netherlands over hard prison in Peru). He wouldn't have murdered Stephanie. If he hadn't successfully extorted $25k from his first victim's mother, Stephanie's murder would not have happened. Instead, he was tempted by that 25k, that fifth anniversary and that arrogance.

Even if he was released from prison at the age of 62, there is nothing for him. He has no bridges. No one in Aruba wants to see him, not even his family. No one in the Netherlands wants to see him either, but if he goes tere, I suspect he will be immediately institutionalized. No one wants someone like that roaming the streets ... not even the Dutch.

His mother and her brother apparently had everything in place for a psychiatric assessment before he fled ... Joran disappeared to Peru on the newly acquired $25k rather than show up for his flight to the Netherlands ... leaving only a note to his mother about not worrying. According to early reports (IIRC), he was a waste of a person after returning home for his father's funeral, sleeping until noon and then lounging around until the next day. He was not studying, working or doing anything other than indulging himself, cooking up schemes and riding his motorcycle.