The Rumor Mill -- unsubstantiated, yet possible relevant information

[dcgrumpy]

Although roger and JP are funny.....They are not at the top of my list for serial killer research.

This topix rumor really grew legs rather quickly. So now NCPD is going to make the announcement?? Why?:waitasec:

maybe,since all bodies and parts were found in both counties.

The only bodies found in Nassau are the skull of the woman whose legs were found in Davis Park and unidentified bones found in a plastic bag. The other 8 were all in Suffolk County. Including Jessica Taylor whose partial remains were found in Manorville. It doesn't make any sense for NCPD to be in charge all of a sudden.

 

[Jenny9]

The only bodies found in Nassau are the skull of the woman whose legs were found in Davis Park and unidentified bones found in a plastic bag. The other 8 were all in Suffolk County. Including Jessica Taylor whose partial remains were found in Manorville. It doesn't make any sense for NCPD to be in charge all of a sudden.

who said ncpd was in charge?and yes body parts found in nassau belong to body parts found in suffolk,so they are working together on this and have been,i guess you never saw the past news reports when all THREE depts were holding press conferences:banghead:what i am telling you is that they are all working together,sorry but i tend to believe my husband who is ncpd before i believe anyone else who thinks they know this case:banghead:

 

[dcgrumpy]

who said ncpd was in charge?and yes body parts found in nassau belong to body parts found in suffolk,so they are working together on this and have been,i guess you never saw the past news reports when all THREE depts were holding press conferences:banghead:what i am telling you is that they are all working together,sorry but i tend to believe my husband who is ncpd before i believe anyone else who thinks they know this case:banghead:

It sounded like that's what you meant with this quote.

only quoting ncpd and he is responsible for manorville and gilgo

Are you really sharing information on the internet that you're getting from your husband?

 

[truthspider]

It sounded like that's what you meant with this quote.

Are you really sharing information on the internet that your getting from your husband?

not a good idea considering the unemployment rate. jenny if true, you still have a window of time to delete that post, be prudent

 

[dcgrumpy]

not a good idea considering the unemployment rate. jenny if true, you still have a window of time to delete that post, be prudent

MTE

Sharing "inside info" on multiple sites probably isn't a good idea.

 

[Jenny9]

not a good idea considering the unemployment rate. jenny if true, you still have a window of time to delete that post, be prudent

doesnt matter on other sites they keep saying the rumor was started by a cop!now thats funny.im thinking all hearsay and rumors,there are many out there

 

[shadowraiths]

Also, it occurred to me the other day out of the blue - is it possible there is a "team" of serial killers working together in the NJ & NY areas - like a two-person duo? There seems to be enough of differences in how the victims were killed and disposed of to be different killers - but there's a lot of similarities that points to one killer - but what if it the killers are working together and trying to out do each other? Kind of comparing their work....is that a possibility that has been considered here at WS?

BBM

Yup.

[ame=http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163873]Tandem Killers[/ame]

 

[meltruth]

I have not seen any reports on any media about the three departments press conference. SCPD homicide squad is the main department on this case.

who said ncpd was in charge?and yes body parts found in nassau belong to body parts found in suffolk,so they are working together on this and have been,i guess you never saw the past news reports when all THREE depts were holding press conferences:banghead:what i am telling you is that they are all working together,sorry but i tend to believe my husband who is ncpd before i believe anyone else who thinks they know this case:banghead:

 

[En Passant]

Actually, he was not high ranking, didn't have anything to do with politics and not everyone knows who he is unless you mention his popular businesses and the fact that he committed suicide (and then you get an "oh that guy"). People recognize the name but no one knows what he looked like. No one would have heard of him but his suicide made the paper because you probably won't find anyone on Long Island who hasn't been to his very famous business.

I don't know of any of his family members. They are not prominent. They owned a popular family business that made some money and so they were able to live well.

That's about it. He was a guy with money.

I actually didn't waste time on a person who has no history of altercations & improper conduct.

Maybe I am wrong so please point out the links to arrests, prostitution/Escort links. JMO If he owned a popular establishment he would not need to troll craigs list & would have had much access to patrons possibly looking to hook0up. Doesn't make any sense to me, Could someone post his police record that may reflect improper behavior. Has anyone left his establishment claiming they were going to be killed???? Has any Victims been found around his immediant area?

If there is not one link, than it is very disrespectful IMO to his family & children. IMO it takes the focus off JB the person who has not answered MANY QUESTIONS as well as CPH.....Was SG @ his house with JB during that 15 minute Hyatis?

Of course Police investagate suicides.....that is common, due to fowl play, Insurance policies, couples cheating....I see absolutely ZERO link.

Heart goes out to family. Surprised they let this fly on here, character attack of a person who has passed.

Suicide by hanging oneself usually is due to being angry, upset at external influences.

But fowl play is importantto rule out. The location of the incident is a Key factor if there was no fowl play. It is chosen & has meaning.

What makes me say hmmmmm is people are grasping at straws & wanted to run with this. As long as JB, GC & CPH are not being talked about.....I look at the band wagon......Just my nature. Every action has a purpose & Function....Just saying, that's my rumo. Shame on those jumping on this. Get some real facts, convient it's someone who killed themselves, IDK do people really think Case Closed now. Shaking head

 

[ElizaAvalon]

In doing a quick Google, it seems this rumor all originates back to one comment board. If there is no truth to it, its very shameful that someone made it up.

It didn't originate on the Internet. Most people heard it word of mouth.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

En Passant, with all due respect, this is not a facts thread, this is the rumor thread.

I posted a rumor, I did not mention names or provide initials and I was VERY CLEAR that it was a rumor.

 

[WI1987]

This whole thing is a rumor. First it was the Aquarium guy, now it's his son. First the announcement was going to be on Wednesday, then it became Thursday, well guess what? It's Saturday night and there was no announcement. When the "story" changes like that it should be a red flag that it's bravo sierra.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

What I am finding most interesting is what LE is NOT saying. Seriously, EVERYONE is talking about this, everyone is tapping into their LE friends asking if it is true. I can't tell you how many people have told me that someone they know who knows someone in LE says it is true, yada yada...

If it is not true, I would hope that LE would at least clue in a reporter to let us all know that it is not true so that we can all move on and let this guy rest in peace.

In my opinion, it could go either way.

 

[En Passant]

En Passant, with all due respect, this is not a facts thread, this is the rumor thread.

I posted a rumor, I did not mention names or provide initials and I was VERY CLEAR that it was a rumor.

No Offense ElizaAvalon I did not trace the rumor to who started what, I was just responding to several posts. No one in particular, whether word of mouth, I was stating My Opinion & how awful that is being spread. The Family is the victim here. How would it feel if it was a father sister or brother of ours that someone was targeting. Just MY value system, it is rumor mill but the man is Dead & there have not been any links what so ever to the son. That is a falsehood. LE does not need to respond to rumors, they have LE work to do IMO. That is hurtful stuff. LE would probably be interested in where you are hearing this, JMO. I believe it is monitored here, so I am sure this would be of interest.

Again that comment was directed in general, didn't know who or what but I think of peoples children.

When it comes to JB,GC,&CPH they have changed there stories & Bodies have been retrieved & SG went running from his home claiming she was going to be killed. She is Deceased....There were Many Victims who where oiffered big money to see a John just like SG & they worked from craigs list just the place JB trolled to hire SG. Also JB accused SG of being a Transvetite, & a asian male in womens clothing was found tortured. Um circumstantial evidence as well as motive piled high on JB. Claiming no intention of paying. Than what, I don't buy the police story, he hired hire agreed to payment & what he was looking for sexually.

CPH lied called MG & said SG was at his place that morning & that SG was in a rehab? That has been established so I just don't get how a business owner with no ties to any of this is now the SK. I may just be naive, but i feel it is sad & far fetched. Sad for surving family members that someone would say that. I will have to go to theory thread & put alot of factual events that do not make sense......The above people mentioned have not been honest & when this gets straightened out unless DNA points elsewhere I would like to see these people ruled out ......first......Before Blaming someone without any circunstancial evidence.

In saying this I am just dumbfounded on that rumor.Please this was not personal towards you & it is just my opinion.

 

[En Passant]

What I am finding most interesting is what LE is NOT saying. Seriously, EVERYONE is talking about this, everyone is tapping into their LE friends asking if it is true. I can't tell you how many people have told me that someone they know who knows someone in LE says it is true, yada yada...

If it is not true, I would hope that LE would at least clue in a reporter to let us all know that it is not true so that we can all move on and let this guy rest in peace.

In my opinion, it could go either way.

What is important to state is Who this rumor spreader in the LE is. So if you heard it from so & so they heard it from such & such Detective So & So other wise IMO it is your theory. Please forward what LE dept homicide det etc. Interested on who is saying this from the LE dept. especially if it is third party than just let us know who the officers are that is saying this. Thank You

That is the proof in the pudding ex: Dt. *advertiser censored* has said that so & so sons is the SK. See it puts a name otherwise it seems made up. Just saying so I have heard from 3 people that this LE stated it, that one stated it. I am sure they would be interested as to who is s;preading these lies & take action. That is Libel IMO. Sources of the rumor.

 

[LINative13]

I hope that guys friends catch up with the people spreading rumors.

 

[WI1987]

I read on the TOPIX forum that a SCPD officer started this whole rumor. I have no idea why.

 

[Verity]

Wow, 16 pages already! I don't propose to read them all (sorry), but wanted to bear witness to quite a few people hurting from these completely unsubstantiated rumors, many of which are spreading locally like the wildfire that ignited a few weeks ago in Manorville. The sensible response IMHO would be for LE to hold a press conference to dispel rumors, but the lack of ought not to be taken as any indication of truth in the rumors; it is simply typical of their MO to be completely incommunicado when it matters most.

So....what else new do I have to add?

The person about whom all this speculation is about had his house on the market for sale at the time of his demise. That house had dropped dramatically in price in the few weeks before his death, indicative of money problems that pointed to a reason for his taking his own life. The house remained on the market for sale until only a few days ago.

Don't you think that if there was any serious suspicion that he was the LISK, that LE would have torn the house apart?

I haven't seen the house to know what the condition is inside, but it doesn't exactly fit with the theory that "he has been a suspect since last September" and other rumors I have read, that they have cheerily been showing his house all these months.

I can understand some people wanting it to be true because our hearts bleed for the victim families and we want them to have closure and conveniently to have the LISK dead. I just don't happen to see anything pointing to it being true, and a couple of small things pointing to the reverse.

 

[En Passant]

It didn't originate on the Internet. Most people heard it word of mouth.

Please spill the beans as to what officers are saying this please. If it is many it would be of help if you do tell. I am sure LE would be extremely interested on talking to you about this. It would be helpful to the case.

Thanx, fixing the problem is a solution...it works, I am very interested on what officers are saying this, as you state MANY.

So you have much insider info it seems. Help the families & do tell. I think it would be surprising....

Certain rumors are enlightening, like this one. Very telling

 

[Verity]

Actually, he was not high ranking, didn't have anything to do with politics and not everyone knows who he is unless you mention his popular businesses and the fact that he committed suicide (and then you get an "oh that guy"). People recognize the name but no one knows what he looked like. No one would have heard of him but his suicide made the paper because you probably won't find anyone on Long Island who hasn't been to his very famous business.

I don't know of any of his family members. They are not prominent. They owned a popular family business that made some money and so they were able to live well.

That's about it. He was a guy with money.

<modsnip>- clearly you're not from the area where he lived and worked, or you would know:

1. He most definitely was closely involved in local politics.
2. Everyone knew what he looked like because he was all over the local press for his "very famous business" and all the other things he did for people in the community.
3. It is questionable that it was a suicide. Many locals believe it was a homicide due to the circumstances surrounding the death (which I'm not going into here because it's not relevant.)

I honestly don't know if he is the LISK, I'll wait to be told one way or the other, but I wanted to post here to let people know how much pain is being caused from the rumors and misinformation.

Please STOP.