Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #6

[laserdisc10]

Looking at the image, I believe its a Ute (with cabin on the back) and not at 4x4 like a Prado. Many trades people carry all their tools in trailers and leave the trailers permanently hook up, or someone could have borrowed one from a friend after a few drinks that night, or could have used it to buy a fridge (it was late night shopping), or they could be moving house, etc. There could be many reasons. IMO it has nothing to do with what police did last night.

But by the same token, it could have had LOT to do with what the police were up to last night, right ?

 

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I have asked myself many times over the last couple of weeks why i am so obsessed with this case. Is it because of all the unknowns or uncertainty or is it because of all the media surrounding it? Another senseless murder occured on the northside of Brisbane a few days ago - husband killed wife and yet i dont even remember that poor ladies name even being mentioned on the news, let alone seeing more than one news item on it.

Every day i, like you all, spend hours reading every post on here - in search of answers. Yet, i barely paused for a second when the more recent murder was reported on the news.

Sad on all counts.

That murder in Braken Ridge had a quick explanation and capture of the suicidal husband. There is no "mystery" about it.

 

[STELLA85]

I have looked at the car and trailer pic a few times today trying to understand why it has been captured after the actual round about and that its heading toward Kenmore Plaza and not Mt Crosby. Is it possible that the driver made a sharp right hand turn where you enter Moggill rd from Phillipa Street ? onto the far lane and headed back toward the roundabout and up Moggil toward Mt Crosby? Is that possible? Is it possible the CCTV didn't caputure the turn? I am not sure if the other side of the roundabout is captured by the CCTV IMO it would explain why the police searched the Bins behind Woolies at Kenmore Plaza

 

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But by the same token, it could have had LOT to do with what the police were up to last night, right ?

I don't believe so, because of the type of vehicle. You seem to believe otherwise so we have to agree to disagree.

 

[BrizzychickinUSA]

OMG! My heartaches.....GBC really does look devastated and those little girls faces say a thousand words......Very Very sad indeed.

ummmm....I see something a little different....I see daddy trying and pushing himself one minute to hover over the girls, then getting mixed up in the next moment...and Allisons mother being the mum for them gorgeous girls and the body language from the kids is (i know I can trust your loving grandma)...

I see body language from the children that cuts me in two....arms folded, the flick of the hand....the push from GBC to position them into the right angle...the girls somewhat struggling with their position of their feet....noooooo its not right....

Im sorry......

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Hey...I didnt wanna say this....I didnt wanna sound so heartless but...Could it be that his hot shot lawyer has been instructing him what to do, how to act???....Lindy Chamberlains did(this came out years later) she was instructed to show no emotion, dont say this, dont say that...wear this way, walk that way...hold your head down...etc She made a statement later to say if she had of acted as she wanted to....she felt none of the scrutiny would have occured....

I remember having many acting instructions for one of my roles (sales) on how best to stand, how not to hold your hands....Thinking a hot shot lawyer would employ actors to instruct high profile clients that have to deal with media wot to and not do....

Geez..even the defence force hires media advisers for their troops...!

Not sure where you are coming from. My comment, which I've copied below, was in regards to people judging someone by how they are or aren't acting..You are right his lawyers could be telling him how to act. but if they are they must have got something wrong, because everyone is picking apart how he is acting and how it is making him appear guilty..perhaps if they are advising, they aren't so hotshot. lol.

My previous comment...

The point is All roads appear to us to point one way, but I feel very deeply for him and the rest of the family if he is indeed not guilty. He will also be going though hell. But many(not just here) are making so many judgements on him and what he should or shouldn't be doing or that he should not be allowed to grieve with the family etc. But what if he is innocent? He should be allowed to grieve and act however he needs, if he had no part in this crime.

P.S. no comment on the Lindy Chamberlain issue

 

[Confuddled]

Yes, also believe legal advice was sought before police contact...(not saying anything, just what I have heard..)

I'm wondering why GBC didn't use legal representation from Praeger Batt law firm like he has in the past.

It's starting to look like you have the normal way of doing things and then the WWGBCD? (what would GBC do?) way of doing things.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I'm wondering why GBC didn't use legal representation from Praeger Batt law firm like he has in the past.

It's starting to look like you have the normal way of doing things and then the WWGBCD? (what would GBC do?) way of doing things.

Probably cause he thought he needed the big guns? Just looking up Praeger Batt, don't look like they specialize in criminal law.

 

[laserdisc10]

If BrookieLocal's info is close to accurate, the matter's clinched for me

Nothing could explain away a husband summoning a top criminal lawyer to the house first thing in the morning. Just as nothing could explain away to my satsifaction the fact a top criminal lawyer agreed to physically attend a client's home based on claims by the husband that the wife hadn't come home from an alleged walk

For me, the fact the lawyer was on the premises, representing and/or advising his client early in the morning, indicates a client who was terrified for his life and a lawyer who believed those fears to be justified

 

[Kimster]

My first post here guys , bare with me little. I have been reading the posts since day one and have been intrigued by the complexity of the issues here. Tarjessi when you say you know these people involved and you are leaning towards SB not being involved , and that you would believe TM to be the person more likely 'involved' I believe you are correct.

:welcome: out of lurkdom!


:wagon:

 

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But there was a Twitter alert from a radio personality about the time in question

Anyway, it will all emerge in good time I guess

That's right, and the guy was reprimanded by QPS Media by twitter for not keeping the embargo unit 5 am. At the same time, CM released their story about the road blocks at about 23:45 (which I read) but was pulled a few minutes later (also reprimanded by QPS Media?). The police had gagged the media until 5 am about their plans.

 

[Confuddled]

Probably cause he thought he needed the big guns? Just looking up Praeger Batt, don't look like they specialize in criminal law.

Hurriedly obtaining the sevices of the big guns admits guilt IMO
Would he be "admitting" guilt this early in the piece?

I'm thinking out loud here, my head has hundreds of things going thru it at the moment

 

[kiwijayne]

If BrookieLocal's info is close to accurate, the matter's clinched for me

Nothing could explain away a husband summoning a top criminal lawyer to the house first thing in the morning. Just as nothing could explain away to my satsifaction the fact a top criminal lawyer agreed to physically attend a client's home based on claims by the husband that the wife hadn't come home from an alleged walk

For me, the fact the lawyer was on the premises, representing and/or advising his client early in the morning, indicates a client who was terrified for his life and a lawyer who believed those fears to be justified

What Brookielocal said re them not issuing any notices for the locals to be more careful is true. I live within 500 metres of the house and we weren't told to take any precautions.

Also it is well known in the area when the police called the house the lawyer answered the phone that morning.

 

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Didn't want your post to vanish unseen

From media reports, the lawyer is based on the GC

Would have to be something really special I imagine, to get a lawyer to get himself personally to a house, first thing in the morning

So maybe 'mens club' network at work?

To summon a lawyer at that time of day, you'd have to be pretty damn fearful and convinced it was a matter of life and death. And would need to convince lawyer of same, no?

I mean, who has a lawyer's home number handy for such emergencies anyway? He's not a standard, suburban solicitor from what I understand, but instead is a gun criminal lawyer -- the kind which specialises in serious crimes such as murder, etc

Who took the kids home? We know nothing of that angle. Were they (person bringing the kids home) told that overnight, GBC was in such a state he'd succeeded in getting a lawyer onto the premises basically at sunrise?

When and by whom was the decision made to not only summon a top criminal lawyer and persuade him to attend physically, prior to reporting ABC as 'missing'?

What caused GBC and whomever else was involved at that point that the physical attendance of a top criminal lawyer was necessary?

Why did police respond as swiftly as they did, in person?

If it were me, I would have needed to be involved in something major and would have spent at least an hour or more in discussion with others (by phone or in person) before I would have reacted to the point I called a lawyer at that time of day/night AND for that lawyer to agree the matter was extreme to the point he would drive from wherever to advise me in person and protect me when I got around to calling the police to report my spouse as 'missing'

A couple of days ago a member said that the husband and this lawyer went to the same school in Towoomba. Could be a personal friend?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Dear Angel 1,

Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But an 'IMO' should be based upon some time, research, interpretation and some facts here. Have you Read all the way through since Thread 1? I have. There have been some thought-provoking and hearfelt intuition, ideas based on what 'evidence' we can glean from what has been public information. And a good investigation, forum discussion, of the facts at websleuths based on limited information. So, before you say GBC is innocent until proven guilty - spend some time reviewing ALL the information that has been logged here the past 2 weeks... We still wait for NEW EVIDENCE. I looked again, after 2 weeks, at that initial interview the media did with GBC about his 'missing' wife - shady, eye-evasive, seeking 'sympathy' for his little 'ding'/accident - what an incredible NARCISSIST. I have spent years/decades analyzing human behaviour, body language, personality types etc - IMO not an innocent bystander. Again, if I'm wrong will EAT MY HAT AND MORE. GLAD TO BE PROVEN wrong for the sake of her daughters. But don't think I will be....x

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter what it is based on. A lot of what has been said here has been based on supposition and rumour so I think your comments to Angel 1 are way out of line.

She (assuming Angel 1 is a she) has been a thoughtful, compassionate poster. She is entitled to believe 'innocent until proven guilty', as do others.

Just because your gut feeling has you convinced, you don't have the right to judge anyone else so harshly.

Agreed, think the comments are a little harsh. I certainly don't think all the opinions in here since day 1 have been based on fact or even considered opinion. ANd everyone is entitled to their own. Think its better to have an open mind sometimes, than having made a judgement based on no evidence(yet)..If you close your mind to the possibilites, then you may miss vital facts. Anyway.. nuff said on that.

 

[Kimster]

FYI:

Websleuths is not taking a stance on this case as to what happened to Allison at this point. There are those here who aren't convinced GBC was involved and/or are sitting on the fence. That's okay and their opinions will be treated with respect just like any other.

The problems occur when posters make general statements about other posters here on the forum. It causes a ruckus and is not constructive. If you disagree with a post by someone else, quote the post and give your opinion as to why you disagree with their point of view - and do this respectfully. That's all.

This post lands at random and is not directed toward the current discussion.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Hurriedly obtaining the sevices of the big guns admits guilt IMO
Would he be "admitting" guilt this early in the piece?

I'm thinking out loud here, my head has hundreds of things going thru it at the moment

I know that it looks that way, and most people would have every right to assume it given the facts of that. Again I keep an open mind. Because as I've said who knows. If other bits of information are also true, then maybe he is caught up in something that may have led to this. I mean gee he would have to know how guilty it would make him appear. Sometimes there's more than meets the eye. I guess it will all become apparent in the end.

 

[Lurker on Websleuths]

WWGBCD -lol (shouldn't relly be though)

 

[bearbear]

A couple of days ago a member said that the husband and this lawyer went to the same school in Towoomba. Could be a personal friend?

didnt someone mention masons earlier? they really look after their fellow members and very powerful with members in high places, maybe they have provided the lawyer services?

 

[CJ60]

Didn't want your post to vanish unseen

From media reports, the lawyer is based on the GC

Would have to be something really special I imagine, to get a lawyer to get himself personally to a house, first thing in the morning

So maybe 'mens club' network at work?

To summon a lawyer at that time of day, you'd have to be pretty damn fearful and convinced it was a matter of life and death. And would need to convince lawyer of same, no?

I mean, who has a lawyer's home number handy for such emergencies anyway? He's not a standard, suburban solicitor from what I understand, but instead is a gun criminal lawyer -- the kind which specialises in serious crimes such as murder, etc

Who took the kids home? We know nothing of that angle. Were they (person bringing the kids home) told that overnight, GBC was in such a state he'd succeeded in getting a lawyer onto the premises basically at sunrise?

When and by whom was the decision made to not only summon a top criminal lawyer and persuade him to attend physically, prior to reporting ABC as 'missing'?

What caused GBC and whomever else was involved at that point that the physical attendance of a top criminal lawyer was necessary?

Why did police respond as swiftly as they did, in person?

If it were me, I would have needed to be involved in something major and would have spent at least an hour or more in discussion with others (by phone or in person) before I would have reacted to the point I called a lawyer at that time of day/night AND for that lawyer to agree the matter was extreme to the point he would drive from wherever to advise me in person and protect me when I got around to calling the police to report my spouse as 'missing'

Maverick.au said the police knew GBC had sent sms messages that evening, and that is why there were possible multiple suspects involved. I just have this gut feeling what Maverick.au said all along has been gospel. A few posters have made me feel like this ( Bayside - do not go AWOL!!)
I don't know how to quote from Thread 1 - but posts on pages 32 and 33 - post numbers 780, 781, 804, 813. And some of Maverick.au's posts have disappeared. So were these his so called 'where's my wife' texts - or 'come and help me' texts?? The police will know who they were to - Allison's friends - or his lawyer and the BC's??

I do not believe Allison went on a planned walk - if you say she had her walking clothes on, you plant the seed that she went for a walk. She could have had stillettos and business suit on - but if someone said 'she had walking clothes on' - you assume she went out for a walk!

I don't think she went for a walk - that evening or next morning. I repeat - if you are off to a conference - you leave the kids with friends or take them to school care very early. Why would you need to do that if you have family? they drop them at school - or in this case, bring them home to make it look like they have been there overnight!

And when your wife is a minute late from a supposed morning walk you call the police and your lawyer is there??? well that is forward planning for you!