FBI considering hate crime charges against Zimmerman #1

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

Reuters claims it did an extensive investigation "including court documents and police reports." They quote an AA neighbor as saying the "elephant in the living room was BLACK teen crime." It provide some good examples.

Statitistics like this make the profiling charge bogus.

But again, if GZ were Black, would the same actions be "profiling TM?"

A media article, that's interesting seeing how the media is bashed all the time.

And if we're talking statistics, that media article that keeps being used as proof states that there were, 8 burglaries in 14 months, and "several" of them were committed by black kids? How many does that make in 14 months, 2? 3?

Several, not most, not majority and most certainly not rampant crime committed by black kids. So according to that article it certainly doesn't make the profiling charge bogus at all.
 
A media article, that's interesting seeing how the media is bashed all the time.

And if we're talking statistics, that media article that keeps being used as proof states that there were, 8 burglaries in 14 months, and "several" of them were committed by black kids?

Several, not most, not majority and most certainly not rampant crime committed by black kids.

I think they caught all those kids.
 
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I have NEVER heard of a law that give a private citizen the right to track down an innocent person just because they "think" he might be up to no good. We all have personal freedoms to walk about but I have never heard of a law that encourages people to take the law into their own hands.

Citizen's Arrest would be one. Bounty Hunters do it all the time, in fact, that IS their job.
 
I guess this is the Elephant in OUR Living Room. LOL!

Because he did not watch, he pursued. It was the pursuit that got TM killed. Watching would have been safe for everyone. Watching is all LE asked him to do. GZ saw no crime being committed. TM was not doing anything wrong. His job was done. It should have been the end of the story. There's your elephant and it's not in our living room. jmo
 
Because he did not watch, he pursued. It was the pursuit that got TM killed. Watching would have been safe for everyone. Watching is all LE asked him to do. GZ saw no crime being committed. TM was not doing anything wrong. His job was done. It should have been the end of the story. There's your elephant and it's not in our living room. jmo

I still find it hard to believe that following someone, no matter the speed, is what people are claiming to be what killed Mr. Martin. You would think there would be a law against following someone the way some people try to spin it to be an illegal act.
 
The true facts are that the neighborhood was not under siege by black kids. 8 burglaries in 14-15 months, not all, not even known that the majority, were by black kids.

And even if there were some black kids who had committed burglaries, Trayvon wasn't one of them. No matter what inflammatory words one chooses to use to try to make it ok, the bottom line is that, no, GZ did not have the right to conclude that Trayvon was one of them based on what he looked like and go after him with a loaded weapon.

GZ most certainly had the right to be suspicious and to call police, that's where it ended. He was neither LE or trained security, he was a nobody with no authority except for a title. There is no evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious or illegal that night, nothing criminal, other than what he happened to look like.

Under the law, Trayvon's rights were equal to GZ's that night, not less than but equal to. Trayvon had the right to walk home, he had the right to be in that complex because he was an invited guest of a resident, who was just as important a resident as GZ. Even kids who might happen to look like some who had committed crimes have the same rights to self defense and SYG, even if someone decides to profile them as one of "those" criminals.

The case is far from a slam dunk for the defense, there's still lots of evidence yet to be seen. Nothing proves that Trayvon attacked GZ first.

And crime is all over not just there, what a world it would be if we all decided to just appoint ourselves as an unlicensed, untrained watchperson and just go after and gun down anyone we might "think" doesn't "look" right.

JMHO
 
Citizen's Arrest would be one. Bounty Hunters do it all the time, in fact, that IS their job.
You can not Citizens Arrest someone because you think they might be up to no good and Bounty Hunters do not do that.
 
You can not Citizens Arrest someone because you think they might be up to no good and Bounty Hunters do not do that.

The context of the quote in your statement shows that I was replying to someone stating they had never heard of a law where citizen's take the law into their own hands. Are you stating that a "citizen's arrest" is not exactly that?
 
Citizen's Arrest would be one. Bounty Hunters do it all the time, in fact, that IS their job.

Aaaahhhh, for what???? There was no crime. Even LE could not have arrested TM. They could have asked him his name and where he lived and escorted him home to verify. That's it and I doubt they would have done that. What did he do wrong? Even on the phone with dispatch GZ is not describing anything TM is doing that is wrong. His clothes, his race, the bag with the beverage in his hand that GZ thought was suspicious (as if GZ could not see that bag). He's starting at TM giving LE a description of him then complains, "He staring at me." Well, hello, yes and what do you think he thought you were doing to him????

Bounty Hunters track down criminals who have skipped on their bail, please. Their job is skip trace not innocent citizens walking down the street. jmo
 
I have to take a break and call my AA neighbor and tell him to stop "profiling " white kids. Somebody might have him arrested.LOL!

Oh .there are three pink faces, tatooed arms, baggy pants...LOOK AWAY, LOOK AWAY!

Follow Grandma Wu intead. You must suspect HER in equal portion.(though I doubt she could climb in a window)
 
Aaaahhhh, for what???? There was no crime. Even LE could not have arrested TM. They could have asked him his name and where he lived and escorted him home to verify. That's it and I doubt they would have done that. What did he do wrong? Even on the phone with dispatch GZ is not describing anything TM is doing that is wrong. His clothes, his race, the bag with the beverage in his hand that GZ thought was suspicious (as if GZ could not see that bag). He's starting at TM giving LE a description of him then complains, "He staring at me." Well, hello, yes and what do you think he thought you were doing to him????

Bounty Hunters track down criminals who have skipped on their bail, please. Their job is skip trace not innocent citizens walking down the street. jmo


As I stated in my other reply. Read the context of the quoted statement.

Also, how do you think they make arrests? They are not law enforcement officers. It IS citizen's arrest, which again, is in context to the quoted statement.
 
As I stated in my other reply. Read the context of the quoted statement.

Also, how do you think they make arrests? They are not law enforcement officers. It IS citizen's arrest, which again, is in context to the quoted statement.

What you are trying to say is George could have got out of his truck when he said Trayvon was acting suspicious and up to no good and made a citizens arrest. He would have been thrown in jail for that.
 
What you are trying to say is George could have got out of his truck when he said Trayvon was acting suspicious and up to no good and made a citizens arrest. He would have been thrown in jail for that.

No. What I stated is 100% clear. The original post which I quoted had LambChop saying he/she had NEVER heard of a law where people took the law into their own hands. I replied to THAT STATEMENT SPECIFICALLY and cropped everything else out. In conclusion, no matter how you try to spin it to bring Mr. Zimmerman in, it is IRRELEVANT to what I stated and the context of what was stated/quoted.
 
As I stated in my other reply. Read the context of the quoted statement.

Also, how do you think they make arrests? They are not law enforcement officers. It IS citizen's arrest, which again, is in context to the quoted statement.

Bounty hunters do not make citizens arrest just because they think a person is up to no good. They are operating off of a warrant.
 
No. What I stated is 100% clear. The original post which I quoted had LambChop saying he/she had NEVER heard of a law where people took the law into their own hands. I replied to THAT STATEMENT SPECIFICALLY and cropped everything else out. In conclusion, no matter how you try to spin it to bring Mr. Zimmerman in, it is IRRELEVANT to what I stated and the context of what was stated/quoted.

I thought when people took the law into their own hands they were called a "vigilante"??
 
No. What I stated is 100% clear. The original post which I quoted had LambChop saying he/she had NEVER heard of a law where people took the law into their own hands. I replied to THAT STATEMENT SPECIFICALLY and cropped everything else out. In conclusion, no matter how you try to spin it to bring Mr. Zimmerman in, it is IRRELEVANT to what I stated and the context of what was stated/quoted.

Here is exactly what you quoted of LambChops and responded to. I highlighted the important part of her statement.

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Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
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I have NEVER heard of a law that give a private citizen the right to track down an innocent person just because they "think" he might be up to no good. We all have personal freedoms to walk about but I have never heard of a law that encourages people to take the law into their own hands.


Now here is what you are saying she said and it is nowhere close to what she said.

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No. What I stated is 100% clear. The original post which I quoted had LambChop saying he/she had NEVER heard of a law where people took the law into their own hands.
 
Here is exactly what you quoted of LambChops and responded to. I highlighted the important part of her statement.

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Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
<snip for relevance>
I have NEVER heard of a law that give a private citizen the right to track down an innocent person just because they "think" he might be up to no good. We all have personal freedoms to walk about but I have never heard of a law that encourages people to take the law into their own hands.

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Note the bold.
 
In the Wild West, when outlaws like Jesse James and Butch Cassidy roamed the land, local sheriffs didn't have the resources to track them down alone. So they put up "Wanted" posters offering huge rewards for their capture (Jesse James was worth $5,000 -- big, big money at the time). Bounty hunters answered the call, tracking the bad guys relentlessly for a piece of the reward money. They did anything it took to bring in the outlaws, "dead or alive."

Today, the stereotype of the rogue bounty hunter remains, even though most modern bounty hunters are trained and licensed professionals.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/bounty-hunting.htm

Glad unlicensed bounty hunters went out with the "wild Wild West!" Geez!
What a bunch of Outlaws!!!
 
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