Possibly related cases (GB4, Manorville, Bittrolff victims, & others)

Truthspider, could you be a bit more specific?
Is it some kind of info/rumor from an anonymous LE source? or is it some info/rumor by some recidents on LI or in Florida?
Are you refering to a "snowbird"? meaning a person who normaly live in Florida but travel north in the summertime?

Foreigner, let me translate a little the snowbird thing (I'm originally from Europe and stumbled over the same thing):

US snowbirds are people escaping from the snow in the Northern winter to the south. So US snowbirds run AWAY from the snow.
EU snowbirds travel TO the snow, mostly for skiing.

Thus an American snowbird would be someone living in the North and feeling the winter to the South.

Peter
 
also, there is an expression we use here " a little birdie told me". It's used when the person does not want to reveal the source of the information.
 
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(ws won't let me post a 2 letter reply so I am gurgleblarbleplplplplplplplpll taking up space plplplplplplfartnoiseplplplplplpl...)

Ok then, I assume that your claim that; "a tiny little tweet from a small bird" said "there is an unofficial suspect"
is nothing but a BAD Truthspider JOKE!
 
Ok then, I assume that your claim that; "a tiny little tweet from a small bird" said "there is an unofficial suspect"
is nothing but a BAD Truthspider JOKE!

I assure you there's nothing funny around here right now. Trying to get peter to watch hell roller even though I didn't was a joke. Hopefully I'll be in a laughing mood in a week or so, not today.
 
I assure you there's nothing funny around here right now. Trying to get peter to watch hell roller even though I didn't was a joke. Hopefully I'll be in a laughing mood in a week or so, not today.

So your evidence is what? A third class horror movie? Sorry, but that sounds like a waste of time to me.

Peter
 
yes pickle I always am :)

It does seem like a long shot (sort of) but worthy of looking into in my opinion.
are you guys ready for a tiny tidbit of info? a tiny little tweet from a small bird?
there is an unofficial suspect.... (up and to the left) now I know it's not really news, but it's confirmation for me...

he has gone to florida for winters before (not daytona, but maybe it's a pit stop to place some bets at the track (daytona beach kennel club, like AC), it still it seems a long shot, but that foot fetish is real and worth looking into...

Hi truthspider....

I can't find your comment now - but at some point recently I think you said to be looking for additional victims of the LISK off of I-95 along the East Coast...I hope I am remembering that comment correctly - in any event, I did a little checking and found some cases you may find interesting:


Kerrie Pelletier - Found December 2009

EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (WPRI) - The human remains an ACI inmate found at the side of the Route 95 in East Greenwich last week have been identified as a missing woman from Providence, Rhode Island State Police confirmed Tuesday.

(Note, I'm not familiar with the area....does anyone know if this is far from I-95?)

Link:

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/east-greenwich-remains-identified-kerrie-pelletier-


Sharon Elson - Found July 2010

HOLLYWOOD — Police confirmed Friday that human remains found in a shallow canal near Interstate 95 and Hollywood Boulevard belonged to a registered nurse whose family reported her missing in May.

Link:


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-11-19/news/fl-canal-remains-identified-20101119_1_hollywood-woman-sharon-elson-canal



Darlene Young - Found May 2011

DELRAY BEACH — A tattoo on her left ankle helped Delray Beach police identify a woman found dead off the side of a dead-end road near an Interstate 95 overpass.

Links:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/police-identify-woman-found-shot-to-death-in-1466131.html

http://www.patriotledger.com/features/x1058162414/Brother-remembers-Darlene-Young-former-Randolph-resident-killed-in-Florida


Melissa Comiskey - Found December 2011

CAMDEN CO., GA (WTOC) - The body of the woman who was found dead in the woods off of Interstate 95 a week ago is that of a Florida woman.

Link:

http://www.wtoc.com/story/16211905/body-found-along-i95-identified



UNIDENTIFIED - Found February 2011


Decomposed body found in wooded area near I-95 off-ramp to Forestville area...

Johnson said the body has been sent to the state medical examiner in Baltimore. Until the medical examiner determines a cause of death, police are investigating the case as a death investigation, and not as a homicide.

Link:

http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/02172011/prinnew165633_32552.php


Michelle M. Cassano - Found January 2012


WESTPORT, Conn. – State police were still investigating the suspicious death of a woman found on Interstate 95 in Westport last Thursday night. The woman was identified as 43-year-old Michelle M. Cassano, address unknown, an updated statement from Lt. Paul Vance says.

Link:

http://www.thedailynorwalk.com/news/no-cause-death-yet-woman-found-i-95

To the best of my knowledge these cases are still open and unsolved.

Any thoughts?
 
Hi truthspider....

I can't find your comment now - but at some point recently I think you said to be looking for additional victims of the LISK off of I-95 along the East Coast...I hope I am remembering that comment correctly - in any event, I did a little checking and found some cases you may find interesting:


Kerrie Pelletier - Found December 2009

EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (WPRI) - The human remains an ACI inmate found at the side of the Route 95 in East Greenwich last week have been identified as a missing woman from Providence, Rhode Island State Police confirmed Tuesday.

(Note, I'm not familiar with the area....does anyone know if this is far from I-95?)

Link:

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/east-greenwich-remains-identified-kerrie-pelletier-


Sharon Elson - Found July 2010

HOLLYWOOD — Police confirmed Friday that human remains found in a shallow canal near Interstate 95 and Hollywood Boulevard belonged to a registered nurse whose family reported her missing in May.

Link:


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-11-19/news/fl-canal-remains-identified-20101119_1_hollywood-woman-sharon-elson-canal



Darlene Young - Found May 2011

DELRAY BEACH — A tattoo on her left ankle helped Delray Beach police identify a woman found dead off the side of a dead-end road near an Interstate 95 overpass.

Links:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/police-identify-woman-found-shot-to-death-in-1466131.html

http://www.patriotledger.com/features/x1058162414/Brother-remembers-Darlene-Young-former-Randolph-resident-killed-in-Florida


Melissa Comiskey - Found December 2011

CAMDEN CO., GA (WTOC) - The body of the woman who was found dead in the woods off of Interstate 95 a week ago is that of a Florida woman.

Link:

http://www.wtoc.com/story/16211905/body-found-along-i95-identified



UNIDENTIFIED - Found February 2011


Decomposed body found in wooded area near I-95 off-ramp to Forestville area...

Johnson said the body has been sent to the state medical examiner in Baltimore. Until the medical examiner determines a cause of death, police are investigating the case as a death investigation, and not as a homicide.

Link:

http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/02172011/prinnew165633_32552.php


Michelle M. Cassano - Found January 2012


WESTPORT, Conn. – State police were still investigating the suspicious death of a woman found on Interstate 95 in Westport last Thursday night. The woman was identified as 43-year-old Michelle M. Cassano, address unknown, an updated statement from Lt. Paul Vance says.

Link:

http://www.thedailynorwalk.com/news/no-cause-death-yet-woman-found-i-95

To the best of my knowledge these cases are still open and unsolved.

Any thoughts?

my thoughts are that you do good work, but unfortunately I don't see any real connection to this case or my poi. I have to wonder though, what is it with wooded areas near on/off ramps for highways? They seem to be a hot spot for dumping bodies and I don't understand why.
 
my thoughts are that you do good work, but unfortunately I don't see any real connection to this case or my poi. I have to wonder though, what is it with wooded areas near on/off ramps for highways? They seem to be a hot spot for dumping bodies and I don't understand why.

Easy access I would suppose is the reason...is there anything among these listed victims and cases that stand out to you that eliminates them collectively?

I'm sure all have access to this FBI Report on Serial Murder, but in case anyone missed it - here's the link - I found it very interesting in relation to this case:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-july-2008-pdf
 
Easy access I would suppose is the reason...is there anything among these listed victims and cases that stand out to you that eliminates them collectively?

I'm sure all have access to this FBI Report on Serial Murder, but in case anyone missed it - here's the link - I found it very interesting in relation to this case:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-july-2008-pdf

I have to agree with Truthspider (which will worry Truth probably much as me), even for other reasons. No prostitutes, no Craigslist escorts, no wrapping, no clustering. All the ingredients typical for LISK are missing.

Peter
 
I have to agree with Truthspider (which will worry Truth probably much as me), even for other reasons. No prostitutes, no Craigslist escorts, no wrapping, no clustering. All the ingredients typical for LISK are missing.

Peter

Well, if my post got you and truthspider to agree on something, maybe my work here is done :)

All kidding aside, however, Peter...

Regarding Victim Kerrie Pelletier, the linked article in my earlier post states:

" According to police, Pelletier has had prior contact with law enforcement. A search of court records revealed those run-ins were drug and prostitution related."

Regarding Victim Darlene Young, the linked article states:

"Young has a history of drug, battery, and disorderly conduct arrests in Broward County dating back to 1993."

And one of the deceased have yet to be identified - thus we know nothing about her background.

I also want to clearly state I am only pointing these things out as related to victimology - and not to be disrespectful to the departed or their families.

And one additional question - is it both your and truthspider's opinion that the LISK has stopped killing - or do you feel he has moved on to another location - or something else entirely...?

And if I get you both to agree on that answer, then truly I'll quit for the day because that is a near miracle!:D
 
Well, if my post got you and truthspider to agree on something, maybe my work here is done :)

All kidding aside, however, Peter...

Regarding Victim Kerrie Pelletier, the linked article in my earlier post states:

" According to police, Pelletier has had prior contact with law enforcement. A search of court records revealed those run-ins were drug and prostitution related."

Regarding Victim Darlene Young, the linked article states:

"Young has a history of drug, battery, and disorderly conduct arrests in Broward County dating back to 1993."

And one of the deceased have yet to be identified - thus we know nothing about her background.

I also want to clearly state I am only pointing these things out as related to victimology - and not to be disrespectful to the departed or their families.

And one additional question - is it both your and truthspider's opinion that the LISK has stopped killing - or do you feel he has moved on to another location - or something else entirely...?

And if I get you both to agree on that answer, then truly I'll quit for the day because that is a near miracle!:D

I don't know what Truthspider thinks, so I can only speak my own opinion. No, the LISK hasn't stopped. Somewhere he is building a new trophy garden and it is in LI, probably near to the sea. Which doesn't mean, he wouldn't kill elsewhere too. But the East Coast is important to him. As I mentioned in my profile, he grew probably up in NYC, his view on the world as much as his hate and rage, both was built there. And since Media and LE did everything to dismiss every question about where his hunting ground actually is, I would assume, he still feels very safe and comfortable in the area between Hell's Kitchen and the Port Authority, the hour hotels in 46th and 47th and the clubs not too far from Madison Square Garden. And why should he worry? Everyone has bought his "drunk white dude show", so nobody looks twice at him, probably not even once.
We have the 28th of May. He is back since about the 15th. Probably, he has set his eyes already set his eyes on a new target, but not attacked yet. Chances are, in the next seven weeks, another prostitute, most likely a Craigslist escort or someone placing ads at another internet service of that kind, will disappear. And chances are, after it happens and when her family reports her missing, somewhere at a police station, someone will put a stamp on that report and file it. Just another prostitute. In the meantime, LISK will rape her, kill her, wrap her and put her in his truck or SUV. He will wait till about midnight and then drive from NYC to the Islands. He will pass the traffic cam on Jonas Beach Expressway, he will pass one on the big circle to Ocean Parkway, since he knows, the police wouldn't even look there for a truck or SUV driven by an African-American on those tapes. And then, somewhere between midnight and 3 am, depending how many he has already stashed away there he wants to revisit, he will add her to his trophy collection. He will feels the wind from the sea, he will hear the surf, like a little voice from the universe itself. He will smell the familiar smells from his youth, but with the difference, back then ha was a little black boy, now he is, in his mind, the invincible master, who teaches the lessons. Which is the reason, he probably started his new trophy yards so near to the sites, the GB4 were found ... he knows, LE considers that area as searched, that they won't return to take them again from him.

So well, that is my opinion, what is about to happen.

Peter
 
I don't know what Truthspider thinks, so I can only speak my own opinion. No, the LISK hasn't stopped. Somewhere he is building a new trophy garden and it is in LI, probably near to the sea. Which doesn't mean, he wouldn't kill elsewhere too. But the East Coast is important to him. As I mentioned in my profile, he grew probably up in NYC, his view on the world as much as his hate and rage, both was built there. And since Media and LE did everything to dismiss every question about where his hunting ground actually is, I would assume, he still feels very safe and comfortable in the area between Hell's Kitchen and the Port Authority, the hour hotels in 46th and 47th and the clubs not too far from Madison Square Garden. And why should he worry? Everyone has bought his "drunk white dude show", so nobody looks twice at him, probably not even once.
We have the 28th of May. He is back since about the 15th. Probably, he has set his eyes already set his eyes on a new target, but not attacked yet. Chances are, in the next seven weeks, another prostitute, most likely a Craigslist escort or someone placing ads at another internet service of that kind, will disappear. And chances are, after it happens and when her family reports her missing, somewhere at a police station, someone will put a stamp on that report and file it. Just another prostitute. In the meantime, LISK will rape her, kill her, wrap her and put her in his truck or SUV. He will wait till about midnight and then drive from NYC to the Islands. He will pass the traffic cam on Jonas Beach Expressway, he will pass one on the big circle to Ocean Parkway, since he knows, the police wouldn't even look there for a truck or SUV driven by an African-American on those tapes. And then, somewhere between midnight and 3 am, depending how many he has already stashed away there he wants to revisit, he will add her to his trophy collection. He will feels the wind from the sea, he will hear the surf, like a little voice from the universe itself. He will smell the familiar smells from his youth, but with the difference, back then ha was a little black boy, now he is, in his mind, the invincible master, who teaches the lessons. Which is the reason, he probably started his new trophy yards so near to the sites, the GB4 were found ... he knows, LE considers that area as searched, that they won't return to take them again from him.

So well, that is my opinion, what is about to happen.

Peter

Interesting insight - thank you....do you have a WS link to the profile you've come up with for the LISK?

What about you truthspider - has the LISK stopped killing, moved to kill in another location - or something different entirely?
 
The reason I have had a hard time with Peters theory is it requires that there exists a black man who is comfortable with the oak beach, gilgo area, who in my opinion would have to be a resident of the island to be that comfortable. Well that island is super white, I mean mozzarella, wonder bread, whole milk, white rice... you get the point. So my thinking has always been that his profile is just about the last person that would be wandering in the brush in that area.

So the other day I was creeping around Ocean Parkway, like I often do, and down at the service entrance to the JFK Wildlife Sanctuary (I have posted pics of this service rd) which is the location of some of the earliest remains, I see a park services employee driving the large tractor mower they use to mow the side of the parkway. He's pulling the tractor mower into the service road towards the utility/service buildings in there, and guess what? He was a certified black man! I was like NOOOOOO WAAAAAY!, You have to be kidding me! Then I laughed to myself. I in no way suspect this man but it was a reminder to me of just how faulty profiling can be, because for so long I stereotypically assumed that a black man simply wouldn't be in that area, and I WAS WRONG.

The point of this post is that we should never be too sure of what we think we know. Even if every single serial killer in history always displayed traits x, y, and z, doesn't necessarily mean that this serial killer will display any those traits. He may very well be a black swan, and I am in no way referring to the color of one's skin or feathers, I am referring to the unpredictable nature of the world.

I highly recommend the book "The Black Swan" to Peter and anyone else who is interested. At the risk of sounding contradictory I am a believer that amassing knowledge and furthering your education doesn't actually increase one's own intelligence (I'm defining intelligence simply to mean the rate at which one learns). But there exists heuristics that can improve one's intelligence, and this book helps to do that.

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The reason I have had a hard time with Peters theory is it requires that there exists a black man who is comfortable with the oak beach, gilgo area, who in my opinion would have to be a resident of the island to be that comfortable. Well that island is super white, I mean mozzarella, wonder bread, whole milk, white rice... you get the point. So my thinking has always been that his profile is just about the last person that would be wandering in the brush in that area.

So the other day I was creeping around Ocean Parkway, like I often do, and down at the service entrance to the JFK Wildlife Sanctuary (I have posted pics of this service rd) which is the location of some of the earliest remains, I see a park services employee driving the large tractor mower they use to mow the side of the parkway. He's pulling the tractor mower into the service road towards the utility/service buildings in there, and guess what? He was a certified black man! I was like NOOOOOO WAAAAAY!, You have to be kidding me! Then I laughed to myself. I in no way suspect this man but it was a reminder to me of just how faulty profiling can be, because for so long I stereotypically assumed that a black man simply wouldn't be in that area, and I WAS WRONG.

The point of this post is that we should never be too sure of what we think we know. Even if every single serial killer in history always displayed traits x, y, and z, doesn't necessarily mean that this serial killer will display any those traits. He may very well be a black swan, and I am in no way referring to the color of one's skin or feathers, I am referring to the unpredictable nature of the world.

Black swan theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting thoughts - thank you.
 
The reason I have had a hard time with Peters theory is it requires that there exists a black man who is comfortable with the oak beach, gilgo area, who in my opinion would have to be a resident of the island to be that comfortable. Well that island is super white, I mean mozzarella, wonder bread, whole milk, white rice... you get the point. So my thinking has always been that his profile is just about the last person that would be wandering in the brush in that area.

You're wrong, my profile doesn't require any Oak Beach resident at all. Since more than a year, I say over and over, if this SK would live in Oak Beach, he would be the first one not to keep the bodies on his property but also don't drive them far away. Which would be pretty impressive, since my files go back till about 2500 years b.C.
What however is a confort factor, I have seen in a lot of cases is water, nature, the sea itself. Environments with permanent low heterogeneous noise has some calming comfy effect on a lot of extreme psychopaths, it appears.
But then, this is all irrelevant since you belive still in the one killer theory, right?

So the other day I was creeping around Ocean Parkway, like I often do, and down at the service entrance to the JFK Wildlife Sanctuary (I have posted pics of this service rd) which is the location of some of the earliest remains, I see a park services employee driving the large tractor mower they use to mow the side of the parkway. He's pulling the tractor mower into the service road towards the utility/service buildings in there, and guess what? He was a certified black man! I was like NOOOOOO WAAAAAY!, You have to be kidding me! Then I laughed to myself. I in no way suspect this man but it was a reminder to me of just how faulty profiling can be, because for so long I stereotypically assumed that a black man simply wouldn't be in that area, and I WAS WRONG.

Well, it proves how wrong your profiling was, it doesn't say any about mine. So, feel free to declare your profile as wrong. But then, the place you looked at was a dump site for Manorville, not LISK. So, that would be anyway an entirely different discussion, because I think Manorville is a Caucasian, maybe even two of them?

The point of this post is that we should never be too sure of what we think we know. Even if every single serial killer in history always displayed traits x, y, and z, doesn't necessarily mean that this serial killer will display any those traits. He may very well be a black swan, and I am in no way referring to the color of one's skin or feathers, I am referring to the unpredictable nature of the world.

You forget one point. SKs kill people because they want, or more extreme, need something. This limits in a mathematical sense the range of unpredictability but makes it even more important to look for the details, because those details tell us, what a certain SK wants or needs. And this knowledge tells us, how he behaves and often, where he will be at a certain time. So, I can't tell you what his address is. But I'm pretty sure, he will add in the next seven weeks a body to his collection, whether we hear about it or not (probably LE will book her as just another hooker and there will be no media interest at all). And I dare to predict, till all is said and done, we will have another trophy garden in those islands.

I highly recommend the book "The Black Swan" to Peter and anyone else who is interested. At the risk of sounding contradictory I am a believer that amassing knowledge and furthering your education doesn't actually increase one's own intelligence (I'm defining intelligence simply to mean the rate at which one learns). But there exists heuristics that can improve one's intelligence, and this book helps to do that.

I admit, I have a little problem with Taleb. Too much amassed knowledge maybe. But he takes 9/11 as a Black Swan example because, so he says, nobody could have predicted, someone would hijack planes and fly them in a high rise.
Unfortunately, Taleb is wrong. This plot was already used in novels in the late 70s (I'm not sure, I think, Quinnel was the first one). I used a more moderate version of that plot in 2000 in "Fadenkreuz" in Germany and I still remember the editor telling me, that's a little worn out. He had seen this special method to hit a target at least every years once since the 1980s. Which is prove, a lot of people thought about the technical possibility and thus, it was no Black Swan because the element of surprise was replaced by the element of laziness to read, understand and act on that understanding.
I could bring up more examples, but this one is good enough to explain, why I have a problem with Talebs theories. Personally, I think surprise is something that most often happens to people who overlooked details. Which to some degree happens to all of us occasionally. But then, the key is not in raising the awareness for the possible surprise, but in raising the awareness for details.

I agree, as far as this intelligence theory goes. My IQ was in the same range in my childhood than it is today. Only I amassed knowledge over all those years and that gives my intelligence more possibilities to connect facts which were in my childhood unknown to me. So lets just say, I got the firepower and over the years the tools to use it.


Well, I said my two cents to the Black Swan theory per se. And that I'm not convinced doesn't mean everybody has to.

Peter
 
What however is a confort factor, I have seen in a lot of cases is water, nature, the sea itself. Environments with permanent low heterogeneous noise has some calming comfy effect on a lot of extreme psychopaths, it appears.


Peter

Could you expand on this Peter? I find that very interesting. What exactly are you saying and how did you come to this conclusion beyond its effects on say any average individual?
 
Could you expand on this Peter? I find that very interesting. What exactly are you saying and how did you come to this conclusion beyond its effects on say any average individual?

It's in fact not that different from what a lot of normal people feel, only stronger. A lot of people like hiking in forests. It's nice, a little cooler than out of the forest and those trees whisper all the time in the wind. Pretty comfy for a lot of people.
For someone like lets say Bundy, it's more. When he placed bodies there, it was still this echo of power in him, he felt due to the murders (and the hour long rape orgies before of course). To him, this was like whispering voices, acknowledging him. So he chose for example the Mt. Taylor dump site.
Others like rather water. Lakes, or even better if available, near to the sea. Corll parked those, he couldn't bury in his boat shed in a relative small stripe right between forest and lake. Kind of indulging, isn't it? Or anothe example, why did Ridgeway chose the Gereen River Valley?

Peter
 
Interesting...According to Ann Rule in her book about Bundy -The Stranger Beside Me, page 2:

"He looked at the University of Florida in Gainesville and dismissed it summarily. There was no water around Gainesville, and, as he would say later, "It didn't look right on the map ---superstition, I guess."
 

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