GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #1

[Columbo]

Horrific!



http://www.freep.com/article/201206...alty-in-killing-of-4-year-old-Mt-Pleasant-boy

uke: Makes me sick. What a damned bully (and sociopath...). Picking on dogs and an innocent young child. WHY???

I'm wondering if Carnel's mom wasn't in mortal fear of this monster--I think that can happen to women who are abused mentally or physically. She might have desperately wanted to do something to save her and her child, but fear of AB had her frozen? I don't know...seeing her little boy all beaten up by this guy, it seems like her instinct to protect him would have kicked in and she would have taken him and run !

 

[amysmom]

uke: Makes me sick. What a damned bully (and sociopath...). Picking on dogs and an innocent young child. WHY???

sbm

Cos he's just what you said he is! My sincere hope is every BULLY in prison gives him a taste of his own medicine..Over&Over&Over! For the rest of his miserable life!

 

[Columbo]

You did it right & welcome to WS

One indication that prosecutors may seek the death penalty: the lawyer assigned to the case is Anthony Chambers, a prominent local defense attorney who has handled more than handful of federal death penalty cases in the last 20 years.

Chambers, who was assigned to the case today, declined comment. He said he has to review the evidence and meet with the client.

ubm

Is this getting the BEST atty possible for FREE? It looks that way & that's just WRONG! I don't care what 'rights' a perp has it just IS! :banghead:

eta..From same link: there's a pix (that can be enlarged) of JC at the vigil..She looks really young here..Just an observation, nothing more!

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but didn't this happen on tribal land? If so, isn't it outside federal jurisdiction--doesn't the tribe handle the trial? (my question really has nothing to do with your post, but since it has to do with a trial, I quoted you, amysmom! )

 

[TerriM]

Then she should not go on NG tomorrow. NG is relentless. If JC is distraught before appearing on NG, I'm afraid of what NG might do to her.

They are better to let only a family spokesperson speak, such as how Shelia Bradley-Smith has spoken on NG on behalf of Diamond and Tionda, missing since 2001.


What happened to the FB page Kevin set up for Carnel? It is different than the hope one just linked.

Hi Cubby, Southside Cubs fan here. Just wanted you to know I often think of Diamond and Tionda and send a prayer up to Heaven in their name. This case is breaking my heart today as theirs did so many years ago.

 

[dillysmom11]

I assume the family who lost their dog to AB was terrified he would come back and do the same to them.

I assume JC was afraid, until now, to speak out about his abuse. According to the relationship she had with the great aunt who raised her, maybe she didn't know how much was too much...

I assume AB had a horrible childhood and never attached emotionally to anyone on a healthy level.

The cycle never ends.

 

[amysmom]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but didn't this happen on tribal land? If so, isn't it outside federal jurisdiction--doesn't the tribe handle the trial? (my question really has nothing to do with your post, but since it has to do with a trial, I quoted you, amysmom! )

I think I read just the opposite..That since it was on 'tribal land' it's a Federal crime..I'll try to find the quote.

I recall when Anna Nicole Smith died in a casino/hotel owned by a 'tribe' it was investigated/handled by them & not local FL/LE..At least at first but at some point I believe that changed..It's still not the same scenario cos that wasn't considered, I don't think, 'tribal land' & def was not a 'reservation' which this is..I don't really understand the diff but hope someone else can explain it.

eta..Here's the quote from the latest link above.

The man charged with assaulting a 4-year-old Mt. Pleasant boy whose body was found under his family's porch could face the death penalty because the crime happened on federal land.

 

[amysmom]

Then she should not go on NG tomorrow. NG is relentless. If JC is distraught before appearing on NG, I'm afraid of what NG might do to her.

They are better to let only a family spokesperson speak, such as how Shelia Bradley-Smith has spoken on NG on behalf of Diamond and Tionda, missing since 2001.

sbm

NG was actually very kind to JC last night..Kinda surprised me cos I know she wanted to scream her head off at her for letting this 'felon' abuse her son..JC admitted all of that to her on air, btw..She did have a very good spokesperson with her..I believe it was her cousin, the former Tribal Chief.

eta..It's imp to note at the time of this interview with JC the poor child had NOT been found deceased.

 

[amysmom]

I assume the family who lost their dog to AB was terrified he would come back and do the same to them.

I assume JC was afraid, until now, to speak out about his abuse. According to the relationship she had with the great aunt who raised her, maybe she didn't know how much was too much...

I assume AB had a horrible childhood and never attached emotionally to anyone on a healthy level.

The cycle never ends.

Good point about the family that owned the dog..I asked in another post if her & the great aunt had a strained relationship, falling out, cos of how little she saw of Carnel who lived right next door..Has their relationship been discussed in the media that I missed? TIA!

On the rare occasion the "cycle" does end..I wonder why for those few but not the rest..Is it simply luck or much more then that?

 

[Jacie Estes]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but didn't this happen on tribal land? If so, isn't it outside federal jurisdiction--doesn't the tribe handle the trial? (my question really has nothing to do with your post, but since it has to do with a trial, I quoted you, amysmom! )

The Major Crimes Act comes into play here, also the Indian Country and the Tribal Law and Order Act of 2010. There is also cross-jurisdiction with the tribe and Isabella County.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Crimes_Act

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pu...r-act-of-2010/

The Major Crimes Act (U.S. Statutes at Large, 23:385)[1] is a law passed by the United States Congress in 1885. It places 7 major crimes under federal jurisdiction if they are committed by a Native American against another Native American in Native territory.

The crimes which now fell under federal jurisdiction were:
Murder
Manslaughter
Rape
Assault with intent to commit murder
Arson
Burglary
Larceny[2]

 

[pianokiller]

The way the tribal law works is that the tribal law can be handled by the tribal police, however the tribal police had the FBI step in and handed over the case. This happens when they feel as if it is above them or, in this particular case, because the federal law can pursue death penalty and tribal police can't.

edit: What the person above me said, you beat me at the quick draw.

 

[cluciano63]

uke: Makes me sick. What a damned bully (and sociopath...). Picking on dogs and an innocent young child. WHY???

I'm wondering if Carnel's mom wasn't in mortal fear of this monster--I think that can happen to women who are abused mentally or physically. She might have desperately wanted to do something to save her and her child, but fear of AB had her frozen? I don't know...seeing her little boy all beaten up by this guy, it seems like her instinct to protect him would have kicked in and she would have taken him and run !

That still would not explain her leaving Carnel alone with him again, after seeing him pull Carnel across the room by his foot, etc...even if she feared the BF, she could have done any number of things to ensure Carnel was safe while she worked besides leaving him alone with this...person. Carnel would probably have been safer left alone...(not advising that, obviously)
JMO

 

[Woodland]

I find it difficult for JC, or any other parent, to have it both ways. She saw and knew of the abuse - she said last night she thought the bf loved her - I can't reconcile that.

If JC wants to produce excuses to the public for why she didn't run/escape with her child/kick the bf to the curb, then she will have to live with the negative feedback. If she is entitled to an opinion, so are those that she is giving that public opinion to.

It's my fear JC, and others like her, will only take the 'yes, you poor woman' feedback and carry on like nothing was her fault or responsibility. Sad, very sad for children of future abuse - we aren't stopping it where and when it can be stopped. We seem to be looking the other way.

 

[laniefi]

Generation after generation of abuse in families making this kind of thing seem "ordinary". So sad.

We teach our children about relationships by them SEEING OUR relationships.

What a shame the generations in Carnel's life were not strong enough to stop the cycle.

 

[leighmarker]

I hope Anthony isn't arrested until the relatives find him first.


What does he deserve? Nice comfy prison? Screw that. Burn him under a porch.

rest in peace, little man. The prisons have their own way of taking care of these "special people" he wont be able to be in the general population and even when he is put in "ADM SEG" they can still get to him. I hope they do a good job. they luv them some rapist and baby killers. sick....

sorry guys I just cant wrap my head around the mom or the bf...wtf is this world coming to?:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[laniefi]

That still would not explain her leaving Carnel alone with him again, after seeing him pull Carnel across the room by his foot, etc...even if she feared the BF, she could have done any number of things to ensure Carnel was safe while she worked besides leaving him alone with this...person. Carnel would probably have been safer left alone...(not advising that, obviously)
JMO

Why, why, why would someone leave Carnel w/ him after SEEING the way he treated him?

I just do not get it! Especially with family close who could have watched him!

He would have been "safer" sitting in his mom's car at work than with this *%(*&%&*(%.

 

[Darcyline]

I really feel like people who see a child being abused and then look the other way and continue to let it happen should be charged with something too. I know that gets messy because sometimes that person (the observer) may be a victim as well, but it just makes me so angry that children are basically allowed to be abused.

 

[laniefi]

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/06/carnel_chamberlains_mother_rec.html

MOUNT PLEASANT, MI — The last time Jaimee Chamberlain saw her son, Carnel Chamberlain, he was inside their home on East Tomah Road watching cartoons about 3:45 p.m. on Thursday, June 21.


When she returned from work waiting tables at a nearby restaurant about 9:30 p.m., Carnel was gone.



So here is our timeframe...

 

[Cubby]

Why, why, why would someone leave Carnel w/ him after SEEING the way he treated him?

I just do not get it! Especially with family close who could have watched him!

He would have been "safer" sitting in his mom's car at work than with this *%(*&%&*(%.

Not with the heat, he would not have been safer sitting in a car. I'm really rather surprised you suggested that, considering how many children die from being left in a hot car in the summer time.

Though, I do agree with the rest of your post. I don't understand why no one else was available to watch Carnel. Who watched Carnel before AB came around?

I have a feeling the facts about this case are going to become much much worse as time goes on. Anthony Bennet is really reminding me of Nathan Sloop right about now. I can't help but find myself wondering if what little Carnel went through was similiar to what little Ethan Stacy went through, for days? Did Carnel need medical attention when his mother left for work the day he 'disappeared'? Or was this something else?

My heart breaks for little Carnel and what he must have endured at the hands of that monster his mother left him with.

 

[laniefi]

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/06/28/cops-new-info-emerges-search-carnel

Not that I like her (NG), but this is a good phone call w/ mom.

ETA - Mom talks about house being "clean" and AB stating he was cleaning...

Carnel was watching "Adventure Time"...a cartoon when he was last seen by his mother.

 

[laniefi]

Not with the heat, he would not have been safer sitting in a car. I'm really rather surprised you suggested that, considering how many children die from being left in a hot car in the summer time.

Though, I do agree with the rest of your post. I don't understand why no one else was available to watch Carnel. Who watched Carnel before AB came around?

I have a feeling the facts about this case are going to become much much worse as time goes on. Anthony Bennet is really reminding me of Nathan Sloop right about now. I can't help but find myself wondering if what little Carnel went through was similiar to what little Ethan Stacy went through, for days? Did Carnel need medical attention when his mother left for work the day he 'disappeared'? Or was this something else?

My heart breaks for little Carnel and what he must have endured at the hands of that monster his mother left him with.

NO Cubby - being facetious! I thought the quotes around "safer" would do it!

PLEASE folks don't leave your kids in a car!