NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#30

New Posts

Status
Not open for further replies.
kalamityk said:
just a by the by - his brother's face book page shows that he became friends with a Tanya C on the 23rd June :twocents:
Click to expand...
Now this is an interesting piece of info following upon RATIONAL's post. According to MSM and posts on these Threads, this person and her husband are alleged to have put up $50,000 Surety for Bail purposes for the alleged murderer. I have wondered what role the brother has played and/or is playing in this scenario as he is part of the B C family.
 
Wozzle said:
RE: "...find it quite galling sometimes that the courts somehow seem to consider that their time and their rights overrule those of everybody else.' etc.

A bit like when we're sitting in Doctor's waiting rooms for hours on end awaiting our appointments!! But I hear what you're saying dear Doctor. I had to give evidence in a Coroner's Inquest and the whole business was SO inconvenient for everyone involved by the time they'd postponed it several times....not to mention the times people turned up to give evidence and were not 'called' at all on that particular day. And people had been flown in from elsewhere to give their evidence, having moved town since the 'death'.

I was the first to give evidence and it was woefully obvious that all the legal persons involved didn't have a curlew about the evidence we were giving. I had to read out my notes (from YEARS before) to the court, and had to translate and decipher all our common medical abbreviations for the court. Of course you can't expect people to have an everyday knowledge of areas they don't work in, but these people are making important decisions about others lives. (However I didn't mind one thing I had to decipher: the lawyer asked 'What does 'TLC given' mean?' to which I replied 'Tender Loving Care'....I was glad for some 'tenderness' in there as it's awful for the families having to go through stuff years later when they should be healing.)

The inadequacy of the whole business was highlighted when the court asked for some respiratory equipment to be brought from the hospital, so someone was called and raced it over......only to have the Coroner put them on the spot and ask how it all worked. This was their 'evidence'.....the poor woman who was merely the 'courier' had to bumble through an unexpected explanation - she did well, but what if she got the explanation all arse about? Yes, this was a country town situation....but sometimes it gets a little farcical. As I repeated (ad nauseum) 'I can't recall', the Coroner (who was actually a Magistrate 'acting up') said, obviously irritated: 'I'm getting a bit tired of hearing 'I can't recall' - and I was the first witness! So I said to him: 'How would you like me to express myself when I can't remember any details?' (Yes, I thought he was a pompous arse!) I asked our lawyer later if I was out of order, but he just smiled and said 'We all knew what you meant!'

This 'Coroner' after a lunch break and seeing that our lawyer wasn't in his seat, asked imperiously 'And WHERE is Mr Suchandsuch?' So I stood from the (peanut) gallery and said 'In the toilet I believe, your Honour' (because I had seen him go in!) Those around me nearly crawled under their seats!! I think I was supposed to refer to him as 'Your Worship' as well, so was politically incorrect on two counts! Yes, we must show our courts their due respect, but people taking themselves a little too seriously? Pfft. The farce ended with the 'person' central to the reason we were all there, not having to get on the stand at all because it might be prejudicial to other professional proceedings yet to come...this seemed so grossly unfair. All of us pulled from lives and jobs (someone had to change their overseas holiday!), sitting around at the whim of the court.....and in the end the bloody person who was the reason we'd all had to go through this thing got to stay in her seat, and it was ultimately an open finding. IMO it should never have got that far, and it was so, so stressful for some of those having to testify. (Not me, as I was the furtherest removed from the death, and had worked two shifts before - needed for 'background' info).

And the point of all my blather? The 'law' whilst necessary, is also full of a lot of argy bargy and manoeuvring and posturing and manipulation.......and a waste of $$$$ and time. But it's all that we have, and I trust that both the QPS and our justice system will do their darndest to get it right.....as will the jury of our peers (I've just got myself OUT of doing jury duty because of 'work commitments'.....however my 'real' reason is that I won't be compensated for my time away from work, and if I should happen upon a case such as GBCs then it might take months! I don't want to receive less than quarter of my income for months on end, do I? Do any of us? Am I a bad citizen?)

However despite my unhappy experience in testifying (which has coloured my opinion of legal proceedings), can I say to Hawkins that you are the epitome of what our law people SHOULD be...you describe everything so clearly and succinctly and clearly espouse the standards and attitudes that our justice system aspires to....and we are very lucky to have you here. As someone else said, you 'ground' us (ie slap us down and tell us how it really is/shouldbe in the kindest, most tactful and respectful way.....love how you 'roll'. Have to admit though....while you were sipping Margeuritas at Noosa with your colleagues, did you have a wry smile to yourself as you tapped out replies to we websleuthers, with your buds thinking you were probably attending to some important legal business? I want you to know that you are doing an important community service by 'educating' us, and it is greatly appreciated!
Click to expand...

What the heck is all this blather Wobble???

TLC??? i cant recall??? and 'In the toilet I believe, your Honour'??????

What is this amateur hour???????

Crikey!!! Everyone knows you address the wig as 'Your Majesty'!!!!!

and you call yourself a good citizen!!!!

:hills::hills:
 
Fuskier said:
Now this is an interesting piece of info following upon RATIONAL's post. According to MSM and posts on these Threads, this person and her husband are alleged to have put up $50,000 Surety for Bail purposes for the alleged murderer. I have wondered what role the brother has played and/or is playing in this scenario as he is part of the B C family.
Click to expand...

Maybe it is his brother doing it through the church or some other explanation. I have always just had this feeling (no link no info sorry) that there is something about the brother having been here around the time and leaving soon after.
MOO
 
Bayside said:
Wow looking at that large debt and somehow bringing it done to 120K by just dismissing most of it might be how Gerard managed to get himself into so much trouble. This is a very strange way of looking at the debts but saying they are not really debts, well what are they?

Just as important as the amount that is owed is Gerards ability to repay it. Looking at how his business has dropped back to a pay by the month serviced office, I would say he is not rolling in income.

When his statement of affairs are lodged you can bet the bottom dollar will not be only 120k owing, it will be much more than what had been released so far.

I think the life insurance would have only bought him some more time and he would have ended up right back where he was in financial hell.
Click to expand...

Quite simply, how did GBC "perceive" his debts? did HE think he only owed $120K? I doubt it
 
Rational said:
The overseas thing has been worrying me for awhile. Someone suggested a few pages back that he may have been thinking of joining his brother in Canada if he had not been arrested. His brother was at the funeral and left soon after. Do we know when he arrived in Australia? I know we have been focussing on eitherNigelaine or OW as possible accomplices but there may have been more relatives around at the time??
Click to expand...

I think the brother probably just came over for the funeral Rational.
 
LauraMars said:
I think the brother probably just came over for the funeral Rational.
Click to expand...

I accept that may have been he case but I was wondering if maybe he was here earlier on a visit hence OW being there when Allison went missing?? A big family catch up maybe?
 
Kruger said:
It appears the financial director that put up the $50k surety has exposure to City Pacific First Mortgage Fund.

http://www.balmaintrilogy.com.au/pdf/IC LetterToUnitholders.pdf
Click to expand...
From this document, dated Sept 2011, which speaks about the property situation in SE QLD, it is noted the P Cranna is part of Pacific First Mortgage Fund, Unitholders Representatives, Investor Committee. It mentions that the property situation in SE QLD comprises the bulk of PFMF assets. It is states "... we have a lot of money invested...". Wonder what GBC's business links with them would be ? Is there a vested interest here?
IMO.
 
Aussie_expat.sg said:
Quite simply, how did GBC "perceive" his debts? did HE think he only owed $120K? I doubt it
Click to expand...

No I think even that <modsnip> might have managed to get himself out of 120K worth of trouble without having to take Allisons life to cash in.
 
Ooohm said:
I am getting angrier, every day. I may make my little jokes but I mean no disrespect to Allison.
May the perp get exactly what they deserve, no less and no more.
Click to expand...

dont fret. the perp will get what they deserve. i have faith in our justice system. really in the big picture how many get away with it. very very few. as my relly said last night he is a dead duck
 
Bayside said:
No I think even that <modsnip> might have managed to get himself out of 120K worth of trouble without having to take Allisons life to cash in.
Click to expand...
love some of yor stuff, isnt <modsnip> a bit too nice lol
 
Ooohm said:
I am getting angrier, every day. I may make my little jokes but I mean no disrespect to Allison.
May the perp get exactly what they deserve, no less and no more.
Click to expand...

I so hope you're right Ooohm. For the most part I think he will go down big time, but occasionally I think 'what if he did get off?' There would be absolute outrage for a start.

I know what you mean about feeling angry, I feel the same often. Other times I have sat here and bawled my eyes out for Allison, and her family, even though I never knew her.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

DNASolves

Who is Escambia County John Doe (1989)?

Staff online

Members online

... and 190 more.
Total: 2,805 (members: 191, guests: 2,614)

Online statistics

Members online
191
Guests online
2,615
Total visitors
2,806
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
592,137
Messages
17,963,900
Members
228,697
Latest member
flintinsects
Back
Top