BSL - Evidentiary Hearing, Friday, Aug 17, 2012, 10:00 A.M.

[cluciano63]

If he was sincere about wanting to relieve the families, etc...why did he happen to wait until after the evidence against him came out...

 

[cluciano63]

Respectfully snipped by me.

IF he killed Ali, I hope there's more evidence than two witnesses seeing her talking to a guy in a truck with a partial license plate # matching BSL's vehicle at the time to link her to it. You can't charge him with kidnapping/murder just for being in the area or stopping his truck & talking to Ali (although when you combine it with his previous crimes, we all know that 1+1=2 if he was indeed stopped in his vehicle talking to her, but I just don't think it's enough to bring charges).

As long as Ali's case has gone on with little happening, unless maybe her body is found with his DNA somewhere on it (unlikely after all this time) or some of the women's items in his home were hers (I'm not sure even that alone is enough to convince a grand jury or jury- although it would convince the heck out of me), I am not sure he'll ever be held responsible for Ali's death (IF he did it) because I'm just not sure enough evidence is there. Unless he confesses. And I'm not sure anyone would confess to a murder one that occurred in Texas - I'm not sure they wouldn't take the death penalty off the table in exchange for it.

I hope IF he is responsible for Ali's death, there's a ton of evidence LE is just now on to aside from the truck with matching partial plates being in the area. Or he confesses.

Yes, if he felt so badly about Mickey's family, as has been claimed, you would think he would also feel badly for Ali's and try to make a deal there too. But as you say, he might not be able to get away with it in TX.

I am not feeling overwhelmingly hopeful about the license plate numbers, either, unless they can also prove he was there, put his cell phone on that street, etc.

 

[mahmoo]

I find it odd that he went to the cemetery initially with the intent to bury her, then realized his wounds were too severe or painful to get it done. SO he hides her under some branches along a tree line. Then returns with the intent to bury her. We can't know everything, but its odd that he was so determined to get her buried. I wonder what this says about him. He could have tucked her away in the tree line as he did and just left it at that. But no, he returned. Furthermore, I find it totally nuts that he dumped the bike at Whiskey Bay at 11am. Per ChickenFried, that HAD to be difficult with fisherman and the heavily trafficked interstate right above. No matter how many answers there are, we will always have more questions. Sigh.

I was actually wondering why he didn't leave her in the cane field where he initially brought her body to dispose of it?? He assumed at that point she was dead according to his statement. She regains conscious while in the cane field, he shoots her, then decides at that point to drive her to a different location :waitasec:. I guess in the end it didn't really matter where he left her but it seems like quite a risk he was taking to continue driving around with her body. I get the impression he's not too bright for some reason.

 

[KateB]

Since he pled guilty and there will not be a trial, does this mean Mighty Mickey's family will have her back sooner, since they can forgo all the extensive forensics that would've been needed for a trial?

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/klfy/LAVERGNE_Plea_of_Guilty.PDF

If this means he has two years to apply for "post conviction relief" I'd think they'll complete all forensics in case of that occurring.

 

[Donamena]

Thanks to you and IMPondering (and others?) for going there to witness it. Must have been heart-rending. I usually am pretty tough, but I don't think I could have handled being in there, especially when the family reacted.

I had to go to the hardware store on Jefferson and so swung by during lunch to see if there was a crowd. I hadn't intended to go downtown, but needed a special fitting at that store to finish a job today The aftermath was surprisingly quiet and peaceful... and cleansing, if that is the word. I said a few words to Tom - we had met before - but didn't have the heart to approach Nancy, whom I had never met. They were so strong that in some ways, that they were almost consoling some of the young reporters after the cameras were turned off. In a way, they exhibited a feeling of quiet victory. I did get a chance to thank Det. Bajat for doing such a great job for the community. What a job LE did - remarkable - especially in the heartland of the CajunNet - to keep a lid on it and get their man.

I think I said this before, but I was so shaken by the experience that I never want to enter a courtroom again, for any reason. I don't know what I expected, but when he came out, 5 rows away from me.....contempt for this weasel, this squirrel, this piece of filth. Wearing crocs, no less. Hs only responses were 'ah, yes, sir'..nausea, I hated hearing that voice. Everything, 'ah, yes' a deep, monotonous voice, a vacant affect..he had no spring in his step when he walked in, as he did outside, staring straight ahead, carrying rolled legal size papers. There was something so evil, yet so banal about him.

When the DA read the part about the shooting of Mickey her mother let out an anguished sob, accompanied by the gasps of several women & men. I don't know who was prepared for that, but I wasn't. If I felt drained, I can't ever begin to imagine...

Lisa's family was there as well. Her brother, clearly distraught..how could you not be when the DA reads out the days leading to your sister's death, & how she died.

But the oddest thing I saw was a young, petite, blond deputy who had to criss-cross the courtroom a few times. He didn't even keep his €£%¥#&@ head up. He stood hunched over, head to the side, swaying every now & then. I doubt that he saw her.

The thing about his phoning the escort service, traveling south-bound on inside lane of University, seeing Mickey, making a swerve to right to track her. I keep stopping & staring at a blinking cursor b/c one word is going in front of the other slowly. That as such a long time, the hour+ to sit though that. No one was allowed to leave once in. The deputy sitting next to me inadvertently turned his phone on. Thankfully before the filth was brought in. It was jarring to hear music, even for a second,when he quickly turned it off & sat on it.

Incredible..
And, no, I don't for a minute believe this is his first rodeo.

 

[Kateinfl]

I couldn't stay on here while the pre trial was being taken. I haven't read all the posts..but......from what i have read......it is all about him...Mickey sprayed mase on him...she stabbed him....with life threatning injuries.........Where does he get off saying everything was about Mickey and what she did to him. LIFE THREATHING INJURIES...he wasn't even kept at the hospital......i hope this guy rots in prison.....i hope this guy wishes death on himself because prison is soo bad. I'm sorry to write this kind of stuff..i'm normally a good thinking person..but right now i cannot stand the sight of him.....

 

[cluciano63]

What he said in order to get the deal had to match up with the known evidence. So it is probably basically true. Of course, slanted his way when possible, but I believe they can tell, for instance, if Mickey was fighting and up when shot, or already in prone position. They don't simply have to take his word for everything, it has to make sense with what they know.

 

[Jkg005]

I've got to wash my tear-stained face and take a break for now. I believe we'll be hearing much more about *mister dumpy*and his evil-doings. I'm still kinda shocked at his seemingly harmless appearance, knowing that he could basically *turn on a dime* and become a violent rapist and murderer. I can see how he might present himself as just an ordinary *nice* guy, offering someone like Ali Lowitzer, a ride in his truck up the road to Burger Barn - then quickly presenting a knife or gun, stopping her from using her cell phone, and veering onto the interstate or to a country road to take her away. JMO We will find out more soon, I'm sure of that. He's not able to harm any other women now, thank God, and thank Mickey Shunick, for without her incredible bravery he may never have been caught.

We love you, Mighty Mickey :heart:

I LOVE this picture of Mickey. Rest in peace baby girl!

 

[MamaRoux]

I couldn't stay on here while the pre trial was being taken. I haven't read all the posts..but......from what i have read......it is all about him...Mickey sprayed mase on him...she stabbed him....with life threatning injuries.........Where does he get off saying everything was about Mickey and what she did to him. LIFE THREATHING INJURIES...he wasn't even kept at the hospital......i hope this guy rots in prison.....i hope this guy wishes death on himself because prison is soo bad. I'm sorry to write this kind of stuff..i'm normally a good thinking person..but right now i cannot stand the sight of him.....

Well, I'm not taking up for him by any means, but the reason he was there was to affirm what happened. She sprayed him, she stabbed him, he stabbed her, felt for a pulse and thought she was dead. Then she jumped up and stabbed him again...I don't see how the story could be told without what she did to him.

 

[Isabelle]

I think I said this before, but I was so shaken by the experience that I never want to enter a courtroom again, for any reason. I don't know what I expected, but when he came out, 5 rows away from me.....contempt for this weasel, this squirrel, this piece of filth. Wearing crocs, no less. Hs only responses were 'ah, yes, sir'..nausea, I hated hearing that voice. Everything, 'ah, yes' a deep, monotonous voice, a vacant affect..he had no spring in his step when he walked in, as he did outside, staring straight ahead, carrying rolled legal size papers. There was something so evil, yet so banal about him.

When the DA read the part about the shooting of Mickey her mother let out an anguished sob, accompanied by the gasps of several women & men. I don't know who was prepared for that, but I wasn't. If I felt drained, I can't ever begin to imagine...

Lisa's family was there as well. Her brother, clearly distraught..how could you not be when the DA reads out the days leading to your sister's death, & how she died.

But the oddest thing I saw was a young, petite, blond deputy who had to criss-cross the courtroom a few times. He didn't even keep his €£%¥#&@ head up. He stood hunched over, head to the side, swaying every now & then. I doubt that he saw her.

The thing about his phoning the escort service, traveling south-bound on inside lane of University, seeing Mickey, making a swerve to right to track her. I keep stopping & staring at a blinking cursor b/c one word is going in front of the other slowly. That as such a long time, the hour+ to sit though that. No one was allowed to leave once in. The deputy sitting next to me inadvertently turned his phone on. Thankfully before the filth was brought in. It was jarring to hear music, even for a second,when he quickly turned it off & sat on it.

Incredible..
And, no, I don't for a minute believe this is his first rodeo.

Dona, you have so much more strength than I will ever have. I would have fainted hearing the words that he shot her in the head!

 

[WhatsupAZ]

"I contacted Joe the night before I dowsed GMH's primary den/safe haven/ritual grounds for suggestions and tips. I contacted him a few days later to verify my findings in Gary Hilton's primary den: Wildcat Tract: Dawson Forest WMA, Dawsonville, GA. Without knowlege of my results, he verified my findings, and made additional discoveries.“ Foxfire

Oh Foxy, you and your random usage of quotation marks has me confused again. Are you saying that YOU worked as a dowser on the GH case?

 

[bessie]

Will I ever catch up on all of the news from today? I was only able to peek in a few times from work today. Thanks to all of you who attended the hearing for your first hand accounts, and to all of you who were in attendance here and so diligently posted links. You've made it much easier for those of us just arriving home from work to get up to speed.

:cheers:

 

[peepop123]

I am still in shock over all of this and have read the documents over and over. I don't for one second believe that he is remorseful and wanted to spare the families the difficulty of a long trial. If he felt remorseful, why did it take 13 years to admit to LP's murder? Not buying it. I also feel as though he left out a lot of details with what happened to MS. As much as it hurts me to say it (or think it), I think he raped her. In the beginning (before the stabbings), the document stated he brought MS to several places...and he didn't feel a pulse? Not buying it either. I know his confession has to match the evidence, but I think he left some stuff out. Someone posted earlier that he hated being classified as a RSO.

 

[chicken fried]

Hey guys, just a gentle remonstrance here: I see recurring speculative opinions that Mickey was sexually assaulted. I would suggest that not one letter of one word in any evidence yet released has said that, that it's pure speculation, that it's not productive to any specific end, and also maybe a tad insensitive.

Until I see an official statement to that effect, I myself intend to let her keep her dignity in fighting back, and will speculate no further, keeping in mind "towerguy"''s hint in his post the other night.

Sorry to sound like a scold, but I would like to leave this brave young lady her dignity.

 

[FOTOBUG]

I believe mickey wounding bsl is what saved her from the planned rape. Even before "she jumped up" (probably not true) i think he was in pain with the finger wound and distracted from the initial planned rape. Injuring him gave her some control over the situation. He was probably physically incapacitated / pain / bleeding / somewhat shocked to the degree that he couldn't rape her. I wondered all along how he could have possibly dug her grave alone.
Mighty mick may have lost the fight, but not before bringing him down. Permanently !
God bless and keep mickey and lisa. Grant solace & healing for both families and all of us who in one way or another, became involved.
So despicable and sooo senseless. Repulsed and sickened by their loss.

 

[txlams]

I think it's important/helpful for some to know what I felt/feel, and how Mickey fits into that.

I took off work today to be at the courthouse. I was anxious and nervous beyond belief. I'm not a very social person, very shy and of few words. I went there by myself and not knowing where I was going. I think I faked it pretty well. But, I felt compelled to go. I can't explain why, but I know some of you who couldn't go feel the same way. For some reason, I just felt like it was the right thing to do.

Having said that, upon entering the elevator in the parking garage, there was a man in a car facing the elevators. He was talking on the phone. We were the only ones there. Did I feel silly for being nervous? Yes. Could I help it? No. He did nothing to me except be the only other person in my vicinity.

When the elevator doors opened and I stepped out, I was again alone, this time with a man walking to the exit as I was. I felt the same amount of anxiety and nervousness as I did a couple of floors up.

As I left the courthouse, I walked along the sidewalk, watching the family give their interviews to the media and felt crushed for them again. I crossed the street to the parking garage (I so could have circumvented all of this if I had known where I was and where I was going), and walked alone again, to the elevator. I had my keys in my hand the whole time, ready to unlock, dive in, and drive off.

In my nervousness, I couldn't remember which level I parked on, and embarassingly, chose every one except the last one, where I was. I stepped out, alone and with my keys in my hand and headed to my car. I must have unlocked it a thousand times before I got there, hit the panic button, and then got in and locked it from the inside.

You never know when something will happen, and I like to think that because of Mickey, I am hyper-sensitive to my surroundings now.

God Bless you sweet girl. I cannot fathom the fear you experienced while fighting for your life. Much love. Much much much love.

 

[OceanMetTheSky]

Please everyone, don't leave this board or case until all known involvement of bsl in other cases have been investigated.


This isn't the end.

 

[justwannahelp]

Agreed!

Mrs. Shunick did say afterwards that there was no way she was enticed into the truck.

i am very glad for the work of the prosecution and whoever else had a hand in getting BSL to confess, possibly even the defense - according to Clay's statements made today.

however, i don't find the "Statement in Support of Plea" very eloquent. I was not going to comment on that until I ran across the use of the word "enticed". Ahhhh! It is VERY hard for me to "forgive" their use of that word.

C'mon people, she did not get into that truck willingly!! Everything we know about her speaks exactly the opposite quite loudly!! Even before knowing all of the details, I didn't think that she would have gone into that vehicle willingly. No smart, strong willed Cajun woman would. Even at gunpoint and or knifepoint, I don't think she would have gone in. I think he physically forced her in kicking and screaming.

I know that I would not have gone in at gunpoint. No way! They teach you these things. NEVER GET IN! NO MATTER WHAT HE THREATENS!! She knew that.

I just wanted to clear that up because as a mother, it would piss me off to have people thinking that she was "enticed". Ughhhh! I am so glad Nancy was able to clear that up on the air. Still, I want to further emphasize it.

:rant:

 

[ktgirl]

I just wanted to clear that up because as a mother, it would piss me off to have people thinking that she was "enticed". Ughhhh! I am so glad Nancy was able to clear that up on the air. Still, I want to further emphasize it.

:rant:

Respectfully snipped by me.
I think it's worded enticed just because that's how Louisian defines aggravated kidnapping: §44. *Aggravated kidnapping
Aggravated kidnapping is the doing of any of the following acts with the intent thereby to force the victim, or some other person, to give up anything of apparent present or prospective value, or to grant any advantage or immunity, in order to secure a release of the person under the offender's actual or apparent control:
(1) *The forcible seizing and carrying of any person from one place to another; or
(2) *The enticing or persuading of any person to go from one place to another; or
(3) *The imprisoning or forcible secreting of any person. *
Whoever commits the crime of aggravated kidnapping shall be punished by life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence. *
from: http://law.justia.com/codes/louisiana/2006/146/78537.html

 

[Kateinfl]

Well, I'm not taking up for him by any means, but the reason he was there was to affirm what happened. She sprayed him, she stabbed him, he stabbed her, felt for a pulse and thought she was dead. Then she jumped up and stabbed him again...I don't see how the story could be told without what she did to him.

I'm glad she did what she did to him....but the whole reason she was kidnapped in the first place was because he is a terrible person with an evil mind. She fought hard to save her life......but she is not here and he is. To tell everyone that she kept hurting him just irked me in some way. She was trying to stay alive..he was trying to control and rape her. I know it all had to come out ....but why did he have to hit her bike in the first place. They should try asking him that????