Cases possibly of interest for the LISK case

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I don't know if you guys have considered Tina Hoang a possible victim, but she has a thread here.

Her body was found face down by tower 71 in Newport Beach CA. 3 white candles had been set up next to her body when she was discovered!

I wonder what 71 and the number 3 as well could represent? I hope not that Tina was 71 (maybe meaning that she would equal or surpass the number of homicides committed by the green river killer - the highest number of victims of An SK to date).

Could there be 3 people involved in these killings (if indeed the number 71 was to represent the number of victims)?
 
Also Elisa Lam, who I believe might have been murdered and even connected to Tina's homicide, had her cellphone stolen where she worked at a shoe store in Canada.

Does LISK honestly have a foot fetish as well? I've been worried about Elisa having been stalked by someone who had her personal info when they stole her phone.

My profile of any possible murderer (if she were murdered) is someone with a foot fetish ...

who also (if they killed Tina, too as she was an escort) has an issue with women he perceives as tainted in some way. But I also believe 3 ppl are involved - not just 1. And I think the main suspect disarms his escort victims with saying he is harmless and only has a foot fetish.

This profile I've been building is beginning to sound similar to the LISK murders which I did not know of until reading these threads recently. It has caused me to pause and consider.
 
To Kill a Mockingbird said:
Someone here on WS....had brought it to our attention about
Sara Kruzan...

well Dr. Phil is running a re-run when he had talked about
her on his show

"Human trafficking victim Sara Kruzan made national headlines when she was sentenced to life in prison without parole for killing her alleged pimp when she was just 16. Sara's aunt, Anne, and mom, Nicole, come face to face on Dr. Phil's stage for the first time in 15 years." -Dr. Phil Show

here is the preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5EEuPBOUSFo#at=28



(i think it would be a great idea to get all 5 families
of LISK along with bob kolker AND det. varrone....
to discuss this case)

what the H - varrone was on 48 hours - he can be GRILLED by dr. phil.
WHAT A GREAT SHOW THAT WOULD BE.
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That's a great idea, but I think Varrone retired.
 
I think Sara will be released soon. She gets a new start.
 
Is it time to talk about all these supposed suicides and accidental deaths?
The cop who hung himself rather than take retirement (never ID'd)
The Nursery/Aquarium Owner JB
The other partner at the Aquarium, Mr L
Debra Jean Paltry who told the world if she were found dead that it would DEFINITELY not be a suicide. And who was ready and willing to release her full black book of names. Then there was the supposed suicide of one of her top ladies. I believe they were both hanging. (Women don't usually commit suicide by hanging.)
Natasha J...Gilgo...clothes and ID found by the shore...car left with wipers up... last seen on the Bay side but washes ashore on the ocean side.

I know there are more...just can't remember them all

And is it time to address the scandalized high profile folks like Weiner, Spitzer, Tiger (good friend of JD of Oyster Bay,) and the French guy...head of the world bank...who somehow eluded prosecution when he was accused of raping the cleaning woman? The Millionaire Madame, Anna Gristina, who even named John Edwards...her case went away quite nicely...didn't it?

Then there are all the Shady folks at Oak Beach. There is JBrewer who somehow lost his right to practice as an Wall Street Investor, his neighbor...the defrocked priest who was hired on by his long time friend, Rudy G, and now works for RG's corporation in quite a nice little 2nd chance position and all the interesting folks like SY, the Rehab Guy, and the doctor KU...both of whom seem to have flown the coop. Then there are all those connected family names out there at Oak Beach, too. Names like Gam***o, Fer**ro, Sca***e and more...can't think of them all right now...but hopefully my point is taken. Tangled webs and all...JMO.

And who can forget the shootout in the Oak beach Driveway? Cop & perp end up dead because of a suspected DUI...

Sounds like a lot of folks either do quite well, because of who they know or what they know about who they know, or they wind up scandalized, in jail, or dead.
 
Does anyone know if other then CHP there was another doctor who lived at Oak Beach?
 
Just K said:
Is it time to talk about all these supposed suicides and accidental deaths?
The cop who hung himself rather than take retirement (never ID'd)
The Nursery/Aquarium Owner JB
The other partner at the Aquarium, Mr L
Debra Jean Paltry who told the world if she were found dead that it would DEFINITELY not be a suicide. And who was ready and willing to release her full black book of names. Then there was the supposed suicide of one of her top ladies. I believe they were both hanging. (Women don't usually commit suicide by hanging.)
Natasha J...Gilgo...clothes and ID found by the shore...car left with wipers up... last seen on the Bay side but washes ashore on the ocean side.

I know there are more...just can't remember them all

And is it time to address the scandalized high profile folks like Weiner, Spitzer, Tiger (good friend of JD of Oyster Bay,) and the French guy...head of the world bank...who somehow eluded prosecution when he was accused of raping the cleaning woman? The Millionaire Madame, Anna Gristina, who even named John Edwards...her case went away quite nicely...didn't it?

Then there are all the Shady folks at Oak Beach. There is JBrewer who somehow lost his right to practice as an Wall Street Investor, his neighbor...the defrocked priest who was hired on by his long time friend, Rudy G, and now works for RG's corporation in quite a nice little 2nd chance position and all the interesting folks like SY, the Rehab Guy, and the doctor KU...both of whom seem to have flown the coop. Then there are all those connected family names out there at Oak Beach, too. Names like Gam***o, Fer**ro, Sca***e and more...can't think of them all right now...but hopefully my point is taken. Tangled webs and all...JMO.

And who can forget the shootout in the Oak beach Driveway? Cop & perp end up dead because of a suspected DUI...

Sounds like a lot of folks either do quite well, because of who they know or what they know about who they know, or they wind up scandalized, in jail, or dead.
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Definitely. There have Been cases in history where escorts are murdered after becoming pregnant with the child of one of their high profile clients - many were trying to blackmail the John and his career for money utilizing the baby/pregnancy to ruin his social standing/reputation/job if he didn't pay up. In some of these cases (Black Dahlia blackmailing the Publisher of the LA Times being the most famous of these scenarios) people are involved in the murder of the escort and cover up ranging from thugs with the getaway cars all the way up to district attorneys. Jmo.
 
giagreen said:
Does anyone know if other then CHP there was another doctor who lived at Oak Beach?
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Besides the Doctor who's land Susan G's remains we're found near? Was it you who told me he was cleared?

Edit: sorry just noticed you wrote CPH :)
 
It keeps being asserted that it is believed LISK is a season serial killer, murdering between Labor and Memorial day when beaches are busy.

They say he seems very familiar with the area as if he grew up there. Hm.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1290683

"While opinions vary as to whether a single serial killer is responsible, The Huffington Post spoke with an expert who believes it is possible that a seasonal serial slayer is to blame -- someone who has committed crimes between Memorial Day and Labor Day, when the beaches are filled.

"I believe that there is one killer that is haunting Long Island, and I believe there is a really good chance he is a seasonal visitor," said Dr. Scott A. Bonn, a serial killer expert and assistant professor of sociology at Drew University.

"[The killer] is intimately familiar with the area and comfortable with it. I think there is a very good chance that he grew up in the area," Bonn added."

How do you guys feel about this guys assertion?
 
2Hip2BSquare said:
Besides the Doctor who's land Susan G's remains we're found near? Was it you who told me he was cleared?

Edit: sorry just noticed you wrote CPH :)
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yeah a diffrent doctor other then the one who SG belongings were found. Can't remember if I told you he was cleared. But I'm pretty sure he was.
 
Ok now I've sorta caught up with you guys.

Here's the most recent videos I found to get everyone else just jumping in like me up To speed:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jo-YPkMgxg"]48 Hours Long Island Serial Killer - YouTube[/ame]
48 hours - LISK - (most recent video added 1 day ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSgeN_Ylv0Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player
July 19, 2013 - Lost Girls author delves into victims backgrounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0rjnloDDA8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
June 30, 2013 - LISK could be a former Cop*
 
2Hip2BSquare said:
It keeps being asserted that it is believed LISK is a season serial killer, murdering between Labor and Memorial day when beaches are busy.

They say he seems very familiar with the area as if he grew up there. Hm.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1290683

"While opinions vary as to whether a single serial killer is responsible, The Huffington Post spoke with an expert who believes it is possible that a seasonal serial slayer is to blame -- someone who has committed crimes between Memorial Day and Labor Day, when the beaches are filled.

"I believe that there is one killer that is haunting Long Island, and I believe there is a really good chance he is a seasonal visitor," said Dr. Scott A. Bonn, a serial killer expert and assistant professor of sociology at Drew University.

"[The killer] is intimately familiar with the area and comfortable with it. I think there is a very good chance that he grew up in the area," Bonn added."

How do you guys feel about this guys assertion?
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Personaly, I think it's neither here nor there about knowing the area. I lived in Chicago for three years, and Atlanta for four years. Haven't lived in either for the past five years....I could still go back to both places tomorrow and know the area and feel comfortable. I would even know which areas are most popular and where there are least amount of people.
But IMO the time of year these girls went missing says something. Not sure what. Maybe he was in town for that time, maybe his wife and kids were away, maybe he was working there for that time. Definitely says something IMO.
 
Just K said:
Is it time to talk about all these supposed suicides and accidental deaths?
The cop who hung himself rather than take retirement (never ID'd)
The Nursery/Aquarium Owner JB
The other partner at the Aquarium, Mr L
Debra Jean Paltry who told the world if she were found dead that it would DEFINITELY not be a suicide. And who was ready and willing to release her full black book of names. Then there was the supposed suicide of one of her top ladies. I believe they were both hanging. (Women don't usually commit suicide by hanging.)
Natasha J...Gilgo...clothes and ID found by the shore...car left with wipers up... last seen on the Bay side but washes ashore on the ocean side.

I know there are more...just can't remember them all

And is it time to address the scandalized high profile folks like Weiner, Spitzer, Tiger (good friend of JD of Oyster Bay,) and the French guy...head of the world bank...who somehow eluded prosecution when he was accused of raping the cleaning woman? The Millionaire Madame, Anna Gristina, who even named John Edwards...her case went away quite nicely...didn't it?

Then there are all the Shady folks at Oak Beach. There is JBrewer who somehow lost his right to practice as an Wall Street Investor, his neighbor...the defrocked priest who was hired on by his long time friend, Rudy G, and now works for RG's corporation in quite a nice little 2nd chance position and all the interesting folks like SY, the Rehab Guy, and the doctor KU...both of whom seem to have flown the coop. Then there are all those connected family names out there at Oak Beach, too. Names like Gam***o, Fer**ro, Sca***e and more...can't think of them all right now...but hopefully my point is taken. Tangled webs and all...JMO.

And who can forget the shootout in the Oak beach Driveway? Cop & perp end up dead because of a suspected DUI...

Sounds like a lot of folks either do quite well, because of who they know or what they know about who they know, or they wind up scandalized, in jail, or dead.
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I'll dig through some notes--I had the info on the suicide case of the cop---and KU is a good look at for Manorville at least--SY convos have been split on his likeliness for anything
 
Sometimes a good place to look for connections is defense lawyers.

Who represented these high profile families (well known mob families)? Has this same lawyer or firm represented that priest that now work
For RG? Has the same law firm/lawyer represented people with money, mobster or politico, and he ties all of these characters together? Have all of these characters gotten lighter sentences or completely been ignored bc their defense had a special relationship with the DA completely fueled by greed?

It's happened before. Money makes people turn a blind eye to murder. Some people will see others bleed red just to cash in on the green.

These victims all were "captivated" by whatever this predator had to offer. There was something about him that made these girls abandon their usual precautions given their risky professions. It's as of they were mesmerized/entranced by what he offered. One man said on the 48 hours special that this individual seemed to be able to get into the victims heads. To know exactly what their weaknesses were. Some, money was their weakness. Others? Drugs. Who usually has endless supply of the 2? Upper class males with "promising" significant connections socially. A person who is able to blend in. A person who gets pleasure out of calling his victims families and harassing them in a very calm, calculated tone.
 
2Hip2BSquare said:
July 20th 2013

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/2...re-than-one-person-interest-in-2006-unsolved/

LE "eyes" more than one possible Suspect in the 2006 slaying of the 4 women found in Atlantic City.
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Their heads facing east? No shoes? No way! Anyone remember the serial killer that was a Muslim cab driver with a foot fetish that left his victims in the same position? Ugh what was his name?!

Anyways, this sounds IDENTICAL to that Muslim SK except I believe he was just making a point with the victims feet in AC... The feet and hands often times are considered avenues for evil in Islam.

He faced the women/escorts toward Mecca (the east) after murdering them and took their shoes to signify that they were dirty and didn't deserve shoes/clean feet.

Additionally this might be where the pig necklace from the asian victim may come into play. I believe he left it on her bc pigs are unholy in Islam and "tainted".
 
2Hip2BSquare said:
Their heads facing east? No shoes? No way! Anyone remember the serial killer that was a Muslim cab driver with a foot fetish that left his victims in the same position? Ugh what was his name?!

Anyways, this sounds IDENTICAL to that Muslim SK except I believe he was just making a point with the victims feet in AC... The feet and hands often times are considered avenues for evil in Islam.

He faced the women/escorts toward Mecca (the east) after murdering them and took their shoes to signify that they were dirty and didn't deserve shoes/clean feet.

Additionally this might be where the pig necklace from the asian victim may come into play. I believe he left it on her bc pigs are unholy in Islam and "tainted".
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The cab driver idea would fit my theory that the LISK is posing as a cab driver or is one. IMO it's one of the ways I think MBB could of been taken, along with MW. Actually could be how all four were taken. It's just that MBB and MW are the only two we know for sure were done with calls that night and trying to get some where other then to a client.
Not sure about New York, but in other cities I have lived in a big population of Muslims do drive cabs. It would be so easy to rig the back seat so the doors won't open. Just an idea I'm pretty sure others have pondered before on here.
Anyways, as far as the heads turned east in AC. That very well could be because the water was flowing east. So the water would naturally turn their heads that way. I haven't made my mind up yet if that is what I believe or if it's some type of staging on the SK side of things. Or if AC and GB4 are the work of the same guy or not. I don't see why it couldn't be. I remember seeing a picture of a shoe belonging to one of the GB4. I'd like to know more if they were found with their shoes on or even if any other shoes were found.
Very good point you bring up about the pig necklace. Whatever the reason is behind the necklace one thing is for sure...it wasn't a robbery or a domestic or els that necklace wouldn't of been left behind.
 
2Hip2BSquare said:
Their heads facing east? No shoes? No way! Anyone remember the serial killer that was a Muslim cab driver with a foot fetish that left his victims in the same position? Ugh what was his name?!

Anyways, this sounds IDENTICAL to that Muslim SK except I believe he was just making a point with the victims feet in AC... The feet and hands often times are considered avenues for evil in Islam.

He faced the women/escorts toward Mecca (the east) after murdering them and took their shoes to signify that they were dirty and didn't deserve shoes/clean feet.

Additionally this might be where the pig necklace from the asian victim may come into play. I believe he left it on her bc pigs are unholy in Islam and "tainted".
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I´v tried to find info on this SK you mentioned, but I found nothing.

Could you please find a link to some info on the guy?
or at least some more details like:
what year did he commit his murders?
What year was he arrested?
what state/town
what kind of victims? all voman? all prostitutes? not prostitutes?
What was his MO (except for the bare feet and heads faceing east)
etc.
 
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Durousseau"]Paul Durousseau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

This was the only guy I could find that was a taxi cab driver. It said that this was how he first came into contact with some of his victims. Not sure if this is who 2hip was talking about or not.
 
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