RDI Theories & Discussion ONLY!

[SapphireSteel]

Please elaborate on this theory. By torch, I presume you mean the Maglite? What kind of ritual/torture/punishment are you thinking here?

I'm thinking JB may have been afraid of the dark.

I'm thinking she was afraid of the dark because bad things happened in the dark.

I think the basement was regularly used as a punishment especially for her. Shutting her down there with the spiders would make her far more compliant next time. Tying her hands was to stop her getting out.

I think that JR may have had knowledge of torture methods from his Army days, and shutting people away in the dark is a primary tool to disorientate and punish.

I think the Maglite was used by PR to escort JB downstairs, and when she began to kick, scream and cry, PR hit her with it.

I don't think they intended her to die, just to behave herself and submit to whatever abuses they wished to perpetrate on her that night.

I think they dragged her to the basement to get her screams away from Burke, who may have been already asleep.

To quote Cyril Wecht, "this is a game that had been played before".



:cow:

 

[otg]

Not agreeing or disagreeing.....but I just love your dry sense of humor OTG!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

While I tend to disagree on that particular part of what happened, I haven't been able to completely eliminate the possibility. So for now (and B knows this), I still leave open the possibility of the velocity vs pressure issue. Hopefully soon, I'll be able to get back to that facet of this.
:fence: (for now)

 

[SapphireSteel]

Do the BDI's also think he went so far as to wrap JB, attempt to garrotte her, tie her hands, wipe down the Maglite etc?

All at age 9?

 

[BOESP]

If you get clobbered, B, would that be a "low velocity/high pressure" clobber, or a "high velocity/low pressure" clobber?

Just curious...

:seeya:

If you don't push, shove, toss, or fling me at the same time then I have no doubt I've received a high velocity/low pressure clobbering. Here's the official definition: "clob·bered, clob·ber·ing, clob·bers Slang. 1. To strike violently and repeatedly; batter or maul." :floorlaugh:

While I have your attention :blushing: ...

Do you have any thoughts about the hand-held exercise weight found in JonBenet's bedroom (on the floor iirc)?

 

[Venom]

I wish that BDI would be eliminated as a theory, once and for all.

Nothing supports it - not evidence, not common sense.

There is no motive.

On the other hand, the parents are statistically most likely to have hurt their child.

I feel the torch was out because JB was taken to the basement as a punishment, and the lights kept off intentionally.

I think that the blow to the head was made in the basement by the torch, and probably by PR, when JB wouldn't shut up. She'd already been molested and was hysterically over tired and rebellious this time.

The basement in the dark was part of the ritual/torture/punishment thing PR had going on.

PR belted her one across the head, went back upstairs, maybe put BR to bed (or he was already there) then wandered up to inform John of the big oopsy.



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What do you mean by torch? :blushing:

 

[otg]

Do the BDI's also think he went so far as to wrap JB, attempt to garrotte her, tie her hands, wipe down the Maglite etc?

All at age 9?

No. BDI theories vary, but I don't think anyone thinks this was all done by any one person (except maybe DocG).

 

[otg]

If you don't push, shove, toss, or fling me at the same time then I have no doubt I've received a high velocity/low pressure clobbering. Here's the official definition: "clob·bered, clob·ber·ing, clob·bers Slang. 1. To strike violently and repeatedly; batter or maul." :floorlaugh:

While I have your attention :blushing: ...

Do you have any thoughts about the hand-held exercise weight found in JonBenet's bedroom (on the floor iirc)?

Oh, B, you know you always have my attention. I will certainly include it in my experiments when I get back to them. (I just happen to have a few lying around from my younger days.)

ETA: If the definition of "clobber" includes the word "repeatedly", JonBenet was not clobbered.

 

[SapphireSteel]

What do you mean by torch? :blushing:

Ooops sorry.

you guys call them flashlights.

 

[Venom]

Aha, that's what I thought you might have meant.

 

[SapphireSteel]

No. BDI theories vary, but I don't think anyone thinks this was all done by any one person (except maybe DocG).

Exactly.

Whoever staged the scene while JB was literally dying in front of their eyes, is nothing but an evil psychopath.

Which leads me to draw the conclusion that the stager was also responsible for the murder.

BDI just doesn't make sense, no matter how I look at it. To me, anyway.

Why blame a little boy when you have at least one adult staging psychopath in the house? Or two of them?

 

[Chelly]

Oh, B, you know you always have my attention. I will certainly include it in my experiments when I get back to them. (I just happen to have a few lying around from my younger days.)
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otg: I am gleefully awaiting those kitchen-lab bread-dough, cantaloupe and boiled egg demonstrations again!!!!

 

[Nom de plume]

OTG, I want to see some of your experiments with a 3 cell Maglite!! Lite end, side, and battery cap end! TIA :rockon:

 

[redheadedgal]

For some time I've wanted to discuss the head bash that fractured JB's skull.
Was BR strong enough to deliver that skull-cracking blow?

If a logical discussion convinces me that BR didn't deliver the blow to JB's skull, I will revise my theory. As always, I appreciate your help.

hi girl. i posted an article earlier this year about a 7 yr old who accidentally killed another 7 yr old with a child size golf club hit to the head... if a 7 yr old could do this with a jr sized club...

(this happened in MI years ago... i will try to find the article online again)

 

[redheadedgal]

chelly--

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/0...hild-sized-golf-club-kills-boy-7-in-michigan/

 

[Chelly]

hi girl. i posted an article earlier this year about a 7 yr old who accidentally killed another 7 yr old with a child size golf club hit to the head... dead instantly. if a 7 yr old could do this with a jr sized club...

(this happened in MI years ago... i will try to find the article online again)

Hi back at-cha!
Yes indeed I saw your post. The article is chilling. This stuff does happen. People, even children, enraged seems to acquire amazing strength. But, I had forgotten that the child in MI wasn't even angry.

 

[BOESP]

Oh, B, you know you always have my attention. I will certainly include it in my experiments when I get back to them. (I just happen to have a few lying around from my younger days.)

ETA: If the definition of "clobber" includes the word "repeatedly", JonBenet was not clobbered.

I thought you were trying to clobber me. :waitasec:

You do know that, imo, if the hand weight was the weapon that I think JonBenet's head was pushed into it, maybe while being pushed or held down on the floor??

Actually, I still think she was flung around and pushed into something in the bathroom but what do I know. :scared:

 

[Nom de plume]

hi girl. i posted an article earlier this year about a 7 yr old who accidentally killed another 7 yr old with a child size golf club hit to the head... if a 7 yr old could do this with a jr sized club...

(this happened in MI years ago... i will try to find the article online again)

Red, that's true, it did happen. See my post #7 on this thread.

ETA: Wrong post! #6

 

[BOESP]

BOESP:
I'll take your word about lv/hp and hv/lp. No worries about being clobbered by me.

Would the rim of a bathtub or toilet being struck with a child's head with a moderate amount of force create the lv/hp wound?

Thanks.

Yes, it sure would but it would need more than what I would call relatively moderate force. The force needs to create a high enough pressure to create the traveling fracture seen on JonBenet's skull. The impact point, to me, looks more like a bathroom fixture, door stop, or some other shaped object. Since all the photos of the bathroom made the night she was killed have not been released I can only guess at what the object might have been.

My main problem with the wound being high velocity/low pressure is the velocity needed to create that fracture would have, imo, pulverized her brain matter deeply. Think of a bullet entering the cranium and traveling around in the brain matter--it does a lot of damage but certainly wouldn't create an 7.5-8" fracture that traveled posterior and anterior to the point of entry. I see a hammer the same way.

Now, imo, a ball bat could create the damage seen but I don't know any way to replicate an experiment outside of a lab (and I don't have a lab). I did my tests with raw eggs and ten-penny nails so it had it's limitations.

That aside, I'm not sure the posterior fracture would be created if the ball bat struck her skull in a way that the energy traveled to the front of her skull with the pressure being released by the anterior fracture.

Furthermore, if JonBenet was struck by a ball bat why in the dickens would they not call 911?

 

[BOESP]

Not agreeing or disagreeing.....but I just love your dry sense of humor OTG!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Please ......... don't encourage him. illowfight2:

 

[otg]

Exactly.

Whoever staged the scene while JB was literally dying in front of their eyes, is nothing but an evil psychopath.

You're assuming she wasn't already dead when the "stager(s)"arrived.

Which leads me to draw the conclusion that the stager was also responsible for the murder.

That then is your drawn conclusion (which is not mine). I don't even assume it was a "murder". I never use that word in connection with this.

BDI just doesn't make sense, no matter how I look at it. To me, anyway.

That's fine. I never ask anyone to agree with me. I just point out the possibilities, and why it is that you can't eliminate this as one of them.

Why blame a little boy when you have at least one adult staging psychopath in the house? Or two of them?

It's not a matter of trying to find blame with anyone, or using someone as a "scapegoat". And if true, I don't think he should be prosecuted or punished any more than he already has been. This is simply a discussion forum -- for adults! And adults should be able to look at this and at least recognize the possibility without simply excluding it because it makes them uncomfortable.

And as for the word "psychopath"... I'm afraid I'm not qualified to throw that one around, so I'll leave it for others to decide.