Boulder DA sued for release of indictment

[redheadedgal]

No we don't.. We have no idea where and how those "fibers" got there.. What about the hundreds of fibers that were unsourced to any of the R's. Could they be the killers? Or just artifact??

but the fibers don't exist... or is it only some fibers don't exist? :floorlaugh:

 

[BOESP]

I agree. The article was very clear that touch DNA was the key to solving the crime.

Just out of curiosity, why is a news article considered factual when detectives comments are not? The object of news articles and programs is to be profitable for the stations and newspaper owners. If they can't sell advertising they don't stay in business. They can't sell advertising if no one wants to watch their show or read their paper. It has become entertainment, not fact-finding. Reporters report what they are told. Investigative journalists used to investigate but they have also become reporters imo.

It has become a joke how many times main-stream media have reported non-facts and just plain wrong information.

 

[tezi]

but the fibers don't exist... or is it only some fibers don't exist? :floorlaugh:

The only fibers that don't exist are the ones I found the source for, apparently. :floorlaugh:

 

[Venom]

although the JBR forum has always remained active here, there has definitely been increased effort and interest fairly recently. I have read some posts about the possibility that something was bubbling under the surface and about to emerge. does anyone think this lawsuit is that "something"? (I do)

I can only hope.

 

[2 percent]

The touch DNA led police to the suspect. The cigarette butt DNA was used to verify the match. So it's the recovered touch DNA that is the key to solving this crime. Not "regular" DNA.

This case is not solved. The suspect was arrested. Period.

The technology used to extract this DNA apparently is new and has not passed scrutiny in preliminary hearings and findings nor has it passed a Frye challenge. You're getting a head of yourselves here by assuming this has proven anything.

 

[Chelly]

published in books makes them facts?? I don't think so.

It is disrespectful and foolhardy to play silly word games. The facts were facts BEFORE being published in books.

 

[tezi]

This case is not solved. The suspect was arrested. Period.

The technology used to extract this DNA apparently is new and has not passed scrutiny in preliminary hearings and findings nor has it passed a Frye challenge. You're getting a head of yourselves here by assuming this has proven anything.

Hey, I remember the Frye Hearings from the OJ murder trial. I even know what they are...Wow!

 

[tezi]

It is disrespectful and foolhardy to play silly word games. The facts were facts BEFORE being published in books.

Yes, they were. But, it seems that my source wasn't a valid one for the RST member. Only certain fibers exist for that one....

 

[Chelly]

THe point is the fibers go no where because they don't even exist.

Are you saying the fibers that were introduced into evidence do not exist? Is that what you are saying? Maybe the body of a violated and dead child does not exist either? This is all make-believe?

 

[chlban]

nions [

QUOTE=tezi;9854059]It is proof. The proof is from the CBI lab. It's used in the book. We don't have the original lab report because it's in the file, you know, the file of the murder investigation that won't be released to the public.

JMO

[/QUOTE]

You realize you are trying to convince people that refer to "books" with the same disdainful tone I refer to child molesters?

If someone does not understand that books may contain both opinion and facts and that, in fact, most of the books on this case contain mainly the same facts, the differences are only in how the authors interpret them (which would be opinion) you and everyone else are simply:banghead:

JMO. Carry on

 

[eileenhawkeye]

So I found a discussion about this news on a conspiracy theory website, and they are theorizing that Nicole Kidman was at the house that night, apparently all connected to the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" and mind control.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So I found a discussion about this news on a conspiracy theory website, and they are theorizing that Nicole Kidman was at the house that night, apparently all connected to the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" and mind control.

Thud....

 

[Agatha_C]

Link? Please? Pretty please?

Semantics.com...lol...Sorry I couldnt help myself...

 

[Agatha_C]

No. If they have it come forth with it.. They are not allowed to hide evidence from the defense anyway. So if you really have it? But never show proof of it? I don't think it exists..

They arent allowed to hide evidence from the defense when its going to trial. They however do not have to share what they have while its still being investigated.... Fact!

 

[Agatha_C]

Show me the proof this evidence exists.. and not from a book.. Show me proof. A Lab report..

There is none.. The more I dive in the more I find rumor pointed to as fact.. And it just does not make it so..

No fibers.

August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview
(Fibers on Patsy's jacket)

0184
18 What is the question?
19 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Can you explain
20 for us how the fibers from the coat got in
21 the paint tray?
22 MR. WOOD: Are you stipulating as
23 a fact that the fibers that you say are in
24 the paint tray, in fact, came from that coat
25 that we earlier discussed, or is it simply a

0185
1 matter that you say they may have? Because
2 I am not going to let her answer
3 argumentative, hypothetical opinions. I will
4 let her answer if you are going to state it
5 as a matter of fact that that fiber came
6 from that jacket.
7 MR. LEVIN: I can state to you,
8 Mr. Wood, that, given the current state of
9 the scientific examination of fibers, that,
10 based on the state of the art technology,
11 that I believe, based on testing, that fibers
12 from your client's coat are in the paint
13 tray.
14 MR. WOOD: Are you stating as a
15 fact that they are from the coat or is it
16 consistent with? What is the test result
17 terminology? Is it conclusive? I mean, I
18 think she is entitled to know that when you
19 ask her to explain something.
20 MR. KANE: It is identical in all
21 scientific respects.
22 MR. WOOD: What does that mean?
23 Are you telling me it is conclusive?
24 MR. KANE: It is identical.
25 MR. WOOD: Are you saying it is

0186
1 a conclusive match?
2 MR. KANE: You can draw your own
3 conclusions.
4 MR. WOOD: I am not going to
5 draw my own conclusions.
6 MR. KANE: I am saying it is
7 identical.

snip...

15 MR. KANE: Well, I am telling
16 you, it is -- is it conclusive in the sense
17 that, that there is something unique about it
18 that could only come from a particular item,
19 then the answer is no.
20 Is it that it is identical in all
21 respects to the fibers off of the jacket,
22 then the answer is yes.

snip...

0200
3 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
4 probably fair. Based on the state of the
5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers
6 from her jacket were found in the paint
7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found
8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket
9 that she is wrapped in, were found on the
10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and
11 the question is, can she explain to us how
12 those fibers appeared in those places that
13 are associated with her daughter's death.
14 And I understand you are not going to answer
15 those.

snip....

0202
8 MR. LEVIN: I understand your
9 position.
10 In addition to those questions,
11 there are some others that I would like you
12 to think about whether or not we can have
13 Mrs. Ramsey perhaps in the future answer. I
14 understand you are advising her not to today,
15 and those are there are black fibers that,
16 according to our testing that was conducted,
17 that match one of the two shirts that was
18 provided to us by the Ramseys, black shirt.
19 Those are located in the
20 underpants of JonBenet Ramsey, were found in
21 her crotch area, and I believe those are two
22 other areas that we have intended to ask
23 Mrs. Ramsey about if she could help us in
24 explaining their presence in those locations.
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-fibers.htm

Steve Thomas Deposition (Atlanta, Georgia)
Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Action File No. 00-CIV-1187(JEC)
(Fiber Discussion)

246
1 guess we could do it if we need to, maybe
2 we'll do it later but let's just for a
3 moment see if we can't generally agree, that
4 there were a considerable number of fibers
5 found on JonBenet Ramsey's body and articles
6 of clothing that were not in fact sourced by
7 the investigation, true?
8 A. Whether artifact or evidence, yeah,
9 there were a number of hair and fiber pieces
10 in this case that I know they, Trujillo and
11 CBI, were trying to source.
12 Q. And as of August of '98 had not
13 been able to do so, true?
14 A. That's my understanding.
15 Q. And CBI had at one point come up
16 with a conclusion that there was a
17 consistency between fibers found on a blanket
18 in the suitcase that matched fibers on
19 JonBenet's body or were consistent with, is
20 that the right term?
21 A. I heard Mr. Smit and Mr. DeMuth
22 refer to that but I didn't hear Trujillo ever
23 offer a report or an explanation concerning
24 that.
25 Q. But the FBI disagreed with the

247
1 CBI, didn't they?

Snip...Steve Thomas Deposition - 09-21-2001
Chris Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Case
(Fiber Discussion)

250
18 Q. I think I understand you. The
19 red fibers, we're talking about the red
20 fibers off the duct tape, right, the ones
21 that Mr. Hoffman asked you about?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. That were consistent or a likely
24 match with Patsy Ramsey's jacket?
25 A. Yes.
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-fibers.htm

 

[Agatha_C]

Page 9 autopsy report fibers mentioned at the bottom

 

[gramcracker]

They arent allowed to hide evidence from the defense when its going to trial. They however do not have to share what they have while its still being investigated.... Fact!

unless the parents are holding their cooperation for ransom: access to all of the case material before deigning to write answers to written questions

THUD !!!

 

[tezi]

Semantics.com...lol...Sorry I couldnt help myself...

Semantics.com? BWHAAAA!!!!

 

[FrayedKnot]

Sharing this lovely tidbit once again.....courtesy of acandyrose.com


1 MR. WOOD: Hey, I made more money
2 handling the Ramsey case than you've made in
3 your whole damn career practicing law, Darnay.
4 MR. HOFFMAN: -- instead of settling
5 for chump change, which you've done in all these
6 other cases, you're actually getting paid a
7 decent --



IMO, Lin Wood wasn't the only one paid in the Ramsey case. There was a whole lotta looking the other way and money made that happen. Ramsey money.

 

[madeleine]

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

Det. Arndt stated to Your Affiant that she was present and observed a visual examination by Dr. Meyer of the shirt worn by the child. She observed and Dr. Meyer preserved dark fibers and dark hair found on the outside of the shirt

Det. Arndt told Your Affiant that she personally observed Dr. John Meyer examine the vaginal and pubic areas of the deceased, Dr. Meyer stated that he observed numerous traces of a dark fiber.