MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #10

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This has been my thought process all along. People tend to forget that searching was done in the middle of the night with LE & Fire & Rescue. They can't be faulted for trampling the scene looking for a lost boy. Whomever was the highest ranking official early at the scene failed to secure it properly, and the onus should be on them.

Because this was a rural/suburban area with low serious crime, I think LE perhaps thought someone was trying to scare the boys, that this wasn't a real abduction. They, then, began to look for J, thinking he would soon be found, and in doing so contaminated the scene. I just don't think LE initially understood the seriousness of the crime. Inexperience IMO.
 
Because this was a rural/suburban area with low serious crime, I think LE perhaps thought someone was trying to scare the boys, that this wasn't a real abduction. They, then, began to look for J, thinking he would soon be found, and in doing so contaminated the scene. I just don't think LE initially understood the seriousness of the crime. Inexperience IMO.

I'm thinking along similar lines. I definitely have questions about the timeline of the initial search that I haven’t been able to find answers for (I looked through earlier threads, but may have missed it). From the information I have from previous threads and media sources, there seems to be an unaccounted block of time from about 3:00am to 6:00am (or so) in regards to the crime scene.

Was anyone assigned to watch over the scene during those 3+ hours, or did they all go home/elsewhere? If everyone left, was the scene secured in any meaningful way to ensure its preservation during this 3 or so hour period? If someone stayed, who was it? Was more than one person assigned to remain? How closely did they watch the scene and where were they actually stationed (like, did they have a view of the yard and house, or just the road/end of the driveway)?

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/11/19/ctv.wetterling/
...“Grafft and his deputies searched with flashlights for three hours and only found a faint tire print.”

—Were the footprints also discovered during the night search with flashlights? Another article referenced below states that a bloodhound led them to the tire track sometime after 8AM. If the tire track and/or footprints WERE found during the initial night search, what measures were taken to secure the evidence?

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20115979,00.html
“By 10 P.M. police were already combing the site, and Stearns County Sheriff Charlie Grafft had called in a state police helicopter to join the town's volunteer fire department in the search. By midnight the FBI was on the case.”

—So, by approximately midnight, the Sheriff’s dept., State Patrol, volunteer fire dept., and FBI are all involved in the initial night time search. How did all of these different units work together in 1989? Were there any defined protocols for how they conducted the search or gathered evidence?

http://www.minnesotamonthly.com/med...thout-a-Trace/?cparticle=3&siarticle=2#artanc
“Neil Neddermeyer (task force): ‘In the beginning, we worked from 6 in the morning until 10 at night, seven days a week.”

—This article also states that Neddermeyer was on the case “from the second day” - was this schedule in place on the first day?

http://globegazette.com/jacob-wette...cle_2b0e6832-84d0-11df-85ff-001cc4c03286.html
“Oct. 22, 1989: Eleven-year-old Jacob Erwin Wetterling is abducted by a masked gunman about 9:15 p.m. along 91st Avenue, southeast of St. Joseph. Firefighters and 35 officers from the Stearns County Sheriff’s Office and other law enforcement agencies search the area. Two local FBI agents and five from Minneapolis are assigned to the case. A state helicopter with a searchlight searches the nearby woods and fields. A command post is set up at Del-Win Ballroom in St. Joseph. Searches are called off at 3 a.m. until daybreak.”

—Did any of the 35 law enforcement officials remain at the site overnight? If so, who, how many, from which organization(s)?

“Oct. 23, 1989: The search resumes at 8 a.m. Department of Natural Resources officers use all-terrain vehicles to search a two-mile radius around the abduction site. Helicopters fly over a 25-square-mile area. A Minneapolis bloodhound leads officers to tire tracks, prompting officers to believe the kidnapper had a car nearby.”

—Was the tire track actually found in the initial night time search or later during the day?
 
The crime scene being contaminated is pure speculation. LE, The media itself, and the Wetterlings are nowhere on record ever suggesting such. I think some of you are suggesting that LE somehow removed an unknown vehicles tire tracks from the driveway completely, which I would find hard to believe. Footprints and tire tracks were recovered from the scene.
 
St Johns Abbey had many assaults handed out, and the majority of one's i've read online and seen at behindthepinecurtain have been victims who were taught or procured in their situation. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the person who is behind the paynesville attacks was a victim himself acting out. It does seem to happen and would explain the difference in the MO for it.

As for the Jacob case, I don't have much of an issue connecting it to the other abduction, although it appears a lot of evidence was lost or left out due to it being a place where the police weren't prepared or educated in things like this.
 
St Johns Abbey had many assaults handed out, and the majority of one's i've read online and seen at behindthepinecurtain have been victims who were taught or procured in their situation. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the person who is behind the paynesville attacks was a victim himself acting out. It does seem to happen and would explain the difference in the MO for it.

As for the Jacob case, I don't have much of an issue connecting it to the other abduction, although it appears a lot of evidence was lost or left out due to it being a place where the police weren't prepared or educated in things like this.

The FBI was there quickly. They did not have the more advanced tools of today, but they had access to any data, guidelines, investigative tools that were available. LE knows a lot more nowadays, and more tools are being developed all of the time.

Hopefully technology will advance and open up what is hidden today.
 
I'm thinking along similar lines. I definitely have questions about the timeline of the initial search that I haven’t been able to find answers for (I looked through earlier threads, but may have missed it). From the information I have from previous threads and media sources, there seems to be an unaccounted block of time from about 3:00am to 6:00am (or so) in regards to the crime scene.

Was anyone assigned to watch over the scene during those 3+ hours, or did they all go home/elsewhere? If everyone left, was the scene secured in any meaningful way to ensure its preservation during this 3 or so hour period? If someone stayed, who was it? Was more than one person assigned to remain? How closely did they watch the scene and where were they actually stationed (like, did they have a view of the yard and house, or just the road/end of the driveway)?

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/11/19/ctv.wetterling/
...“Grafft and his deputies searched with flashlights for three hours and only found a faint tire print.”

—Were the footprints also discovered during the night search with flashlights? Another article referenced below states that a bloodhound led them to the tire track sometime after 8AM. If the tire track and/or footprints WERE found during the initial night search, what measures were taken to secure the evidence?

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20115979,00.html
“By 10 P.M. police were already combing the site, and Stearns County Sheriff Charlie Grafft had called in a state police helicopter to join the town's volunteer fire department in the search. By midnight the FBI was on the case.”

—So, by approximately midnight, the Sheriff’s dept., State Patrol, volunteer fire dept., and FBI are all involved in the initial night time search. How did all of these different units work together in 1989? Were there any defined protocols for how they conducted the search or gathered evidence?

http://www.minnesotamonthly.com/med...thout-a-Trace/?cparticle=3&siarticle=2#artanc
“Neil Neddermeyer (task force): ‘In the beginning, we worked from 6 in the morning until 10 at night, seven days a week.”

—This article also states that Neddermeyer was on the case “from the second day” - was this schedule in place on the first day?

http://globegazette.com/jacob-wette...cle_2b0e6832-84d0-11df-85ff-001cc4c03286.html
“Oct. 22, 1989: Eleven-year-old Jacob Erwin Wetterling is abducted by a masked gunman about 9:15 p.m. along 91st Avenue, southeast of St. Joseph. Firefighters and 35 officers from the Stearns County Sheriff’s Office and other law enforcement agencies search the area. Two local FBI agents and five from Minneapolis are assigned to the case. A state helicopter with a searchlight searches the nearby woods and fields. A command post is set up at Del-Win Ballroom in St. Joseph. Searches are called off at 3 a.m. until daybreak.”

—Did any of the 35 law enforcement officials remain at the site overnight? If so, who, how many, from which organization(s)?

“Oct. 23, 1989: The search resumes at 8 a.m. Department of Natural Resources officers use all-terrain vehicles to search a two-mile radius around the abduction site. Helicopters fly over a 25-square-mile area. A Minneapolis bloodhound leads officers to tire tracks, prompting officers to believe the kidnapper had a car nearby.”

—Was the tire track actually found in the initial night time search or later during the day?


In picture 9, where Steve Mund is making the casts of prints, it shows the tape is up across the road and also around him in a circle on the ground.
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/stevemundCasts.jpg.html?sort=4&o=8

In this photo from the St. Cloud Times, which was taken some time at night during the helicopter search, there is yellow tape around the bikes and scooter, and possibly some along the fence on DR's driveway? (hard to tell if that is tape or just fence top) but there doesn't appear to be any across the road yet at that point. I don't know if this was taken right at 10:30 when they first went up in the helicopter, or later, closer to 3 am.
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/sh..._Crime_Scene_Aerial_View.jpg.html?sort=4&o=20

DR has mentioned walking up to the road that night (and back) and talking to Bechtold and he doesn't mention walking under any tape. He does mention lifting tape across his driveway and walking under it in the morning when it was blocking his car exiting on his way to school, so given the time school starts and his distance to drive to Cold Spring, the tape must have been up at least by 6:30 am (approx.). JMO
 
Here is an interesting article from the Minneapolis Star Tribune archives (from my subscription) on the start of the search, the leads they followed, looking locally, etc. It is shown in two parts here:

Part 1:
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/start1.jpg.html?sort=4&o=31

Part 2:
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/start2.jpg.html?sort=4&o=32


You can enlarge pages to read by clicking on right bottom of photos. Original article was printed in:
Star Tribune: Newspaper of the Twin Cities (Minneapolis, MN)
February 29, 2004, Edition: METRO, Section: NEWS, Page: 1B
Paid subscriptions to archives of this and other MN newspapers are available at:
http://nl.newsbank.com/
 
Too bad we don't know what suspects Jared eliminated
 
Here is an interesting article from the Minneapolis Star Tribune archives (from my subscription) on the start of the search, the leads they followed, looking locally, etc. It is shown in two parts here:

Part 1:
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/start1.jpg.html?sort=4&o=31

Part 2:
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/start2.jpg.html?sort=4&o=32


You can enlarge pages to read by clicking on right bottom of photos. Original article was printed in:
Star Tribune: Newspaper of the Twin Cities (Minneapolis, MN)
February 29, 2004, Edition: METRO, Section: NEWS, Page: 1B
Paid subscriptions to archives of this and other MN newspapers are available at:
http://nl.newsbank.com/

Lots of agents. Sorry, but I don't believe they are in a conspiracy to hide truth.And they sure looked every which way
 
How could they have looked every which way when they failed to check the homestead of the person they would later name a POI? It was a horrendous investigation on all fronts early on.

Lots of agents. Sorry, but I don't believe they are in a conspiracy to hide truth.And they sure looked every which way
 
How could they have looked every which way when they failed to check the homestead of the person they would later name a POI? It was a horrendous investigation on all fronts early on.

To be fair, that assertion has been made by the very person who has been named as a person of interest.....to my knowledge the investigators have never said they did not search that night
 
And that person has had several versions of what went on that night.
 
This article answers a few questions we've had..

Why we can't know what was in the search warrants:
"Judge Vicki Landwehr said their disclosure now "could cause future related searches to be unsuccessful and could create a substantial risk of severely hampering this ongoing investigation."

Where the tire track was:
"they spent a lot of time and energy focusing on a suspicious tire track at the end of the dirt driveway near the spot where Jacob was taken."


There were cadaver dogs used at the 2010 search. (Some had questioned what type dogs were used)
"Publicly, the investigation seemed relatively quiet in recent months -- until last Wednesday, when authorities returned to the farm, this time with cadaver dogs, trucks and backhoes."

So it was one of DR's relatives who started this story:
"A relative told the Star Tribune in 2004 that the man, said by some investigators to be on a short list of potential suspects, even called authorities that night to report a suspicious car turning around in his driveway."

Why LE was suspicious of DR:
"While the man was questioned in 1989, several investigators have said over the years that his answers always left them "uncomfortable."

These quotes are all taken from the article here:

Part 1:
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/2010search1.jpg.html?sort=4&o=33

Part 2:
http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/2010search2.jpg.html?sort=4&o=34

Article is from the July 4, 2010 issue of the Mpls. Star Tribune, Page 01A. It is from my subscription to archives here:
http://nl.newsbank.com/
 
In 2003 a 'landmark discovery' in the case happened in accounting for the suspicious tire track. Six years later they would come at DR with a vengence in the 3rd search of his farm. The results from this one would elevate him to a POI in the now 25 year old case.
 
In 2003 a 'landmark discovery' in the case happened in accounting for the suspicious tire track. Six years later they would come at DR with a vengence in the 3rd search of his farm. The results from this one would elevate him to a POI in the now 25 year old case.

without enough evidence for anything...
 
without enough evidence for anything...


How are we to know? that information is sealed.

Why we can't know what was in the search warrants:

"Judge Vicki Landwehr said their disclosure now "could cause future related searches to be unsuccessful and could create a substantial risk of severely hampering this ongoing investigation."
 
Do you know what is in the search warrants?

Would you be willing to share?

Something in the 3rd search produced something that elevated DR to a POI after 21 years. Nobody but LE knows why DR is a POI specifically at this time, including the Wetterlings. IMO.
 
Something in the 3rd search produced something that elevated DR to a POI after 21 years. Nobody but LE knows why DR is a POI specifically at this time, including the Wetterlings. IMO.

I am curious then why some posters claim it was based on nothing.

Do they have information that they know and basically no one else knows?
 
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