GUILTY France - Machine Gun attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo, 2015 *Appeal Trial 2022* #2

[crystalgenie]

Saudi king 'halts flogging of blogger facing 1,000 lashes' after Middle Eastern country accused of 'outrageous inhumanity'
An internet blogger facing 1,000 lashes for criticising clerics in Saudi Arabia was given new hope last night after the apparent intervention of the king.

Bowing to massive international pressure, King Abdullah has referred the case of Raif Badawi to the country's supreme court.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...used-outrageous-inhumanity.html#ixzz3P6k6mHxy


I am so glad. If the person with the cellphone had not risked their life to film the flogging, I do not believe it would have seemed real to most of the western world.

If we want things to change it starts with supporting the activists, in the Islamic countries, who are trying to illicit the change. Please take time to at least look up Raif Badawi's story and sign the petition and send a letter to King Abdullah. The flogging has been stopped and the case referred to the supreme court. One hopes that the Saudis are looking for a way out and he will just be banished from the kingdom and can join his wife and two little children in Canada.

This is the link to the petition/letter that Amnesty International is sending to the King and upper echelons.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/saudi-arabia-free-raif-badawi-flogged-blogger

 

[ZaZara]

WEAPONS FOR AL-QAEDA DELIVERED BY TURKISH SECRET SERVICE?


Der Spiegel reports:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...en-an-al-qaida-geliefert-haben-a-1013499.html


Translation


Turkey is has long been suspected of supporting extremists in Syria. The government denies that.
Recently, hackers have published secret protocols according to which the secret service sent three trucks to al-Qaeda. They contained weapons.

Now nearly a year ago, on 19 January 2014 the gendarmerie in the Turkish province of Adana stopped three trucks on their way to Syria. The inspectors had received information that weapons were being transported. Attorney Aziz Takci signed a search warrant.

The incident seeped slowly through to the public. But more than a rumor that there had been weapons for extremists in the freight, was initially not known, because shortly after, a news blackout was imposed. The case was registered as one of many examples of weapons smuggling into Syria, about which was reported with caution. Then Prime Minister and current President Recep Tayyip Erdogan publicly declared: "You can not stop the trucks of MIT (Secret Service), you have no authority to do so. These trucks are transporting humanitarian aid!"

The minutes of the gendarmerie, that bear the stamp "GİZLİ" meaning "SECRET", and that a group of hackers who tweet under the name of @LazepeM, published this week, tell a different story.
The partly handwritten document reinforces the suspicion that the government supported extremists in order to harm the hated Syrian ruler Bashar al-Assad.
Accordingly, the freight was destined for al-Qaida, it is said there: weapons, missiles and ammunition. The convoy was accompanied by intelligence officials in an Audi.

If you believe the protocol, the MIT agents protested loudly against the search. However, neither the prosecutor nor Takci inspectors paid much notice but seized the three trucks and made them drive to nearby barracks. While 13 soldiers searched the cargo there, they were insulted by the secret service. Undeterred, they searched further and opened six containers in which missiles and ammunition were found. The protocol gives the exact count of the findings. The boxes were labeled with Cyrillic letters, a reference to the Russian origin.

While the search was going on, the governor of Adana, Hüseyin Avni Cos turned up . He instructed the police to let go of the vehicles immediately.
"The trucks are on their way on the orders of the Prime Minister personally," he said and handed the attorney a letter from the regional MIT chief and himself.
The inspectors had no other choice than to let the convoy proceed.

Since then, Erdogan and his successors as Prime Minister have emphasized repeatedly that the delivery consisted of relief supplies for Turkmen. Why then of all services the secret service would coordinate the shipment, they left unanswered.

Instead, prosecutor Takci lost his job. The soldiers who were involved in the search, are currently under investigation for espionage. If convicted, they could face long prison sentences.

Following the publication of the secret documents in the early hours of Wednesday, the government started blocking all websites who reported it.
A court ordered even the blocking of Twitter and Facebook if they should not delete such content. All sites reporting the case would be closed, according the judges.
From the Turkish network the Twitter account of @LazepeM was by then no longer accessible.

The video platform YouTube and Twitter were closed in the past year for weeks because recordings of telephone conversations and discussions, among other things, with the participation of Erdogan had been published. The Turkish Constitutional Court quashed both bans.

The opposition has taken advantage of the opportunity now accusing the government that they support extremists abroad and are partly responsible for the chaos in the region.
The publication of the secret protocol suggests that Turkey is facing a tough, dirty election campaign. In summer, the country elects a new parliament and a new government.


BBM


Lovely country. Allowing terrorist to hop the border, providing weapons for Al-Qaeda...
I sincerley hope that they never ever are allowed to join the EU.

 

[Cappuccino]

Apparently quite a few of the suspected terrorists have been arrested. What kind of interrogation methods are Europeans allowed to use? Here in the U.S. we are not allowed to do anything to violate their civil rights & never, ever must we do anything to make a suspected criminal uncomfortable.

Apart from all the waterboarding and rectal feeding, that is.

France has civil rights for suspects in custody too, just as all civilised countries do.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

Many believe Turkey is very liberal, Its getting more islamist every day.

Via Twitter Turkey then (secular) and now.,
Quite a difference

MT @wellsla What a difference 90 years makes:
PHOTOS of different leaders & styles in #Turkey - #Erdogan & #Ataturk http://t.co/e5dqSiQRCz

Same with Iran. It has gone backwards under mullahs regime,
They are not allowing any kind of opposition or alternative to Islamic fundamentalists, terrible human rights violations, imprisonment and hangings; hateful rhetoric towards Israel and West.
It is also noteworthy that Obama admin completely ignored Iran's green revolution, seeking to overthrow current tyrannical & brutal regime. Now he is barganing with mullahs over nukes, warns Congress 'not to meddle' and not to impose new sanctions.

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[Elley Mae]

Yemen Arrests 2 Frenchmen Over Suspected Al-Qaida Links

http://abcnews.go.com/International...-abduct-head-yemen-presidents-office-28291643

 

[Elley Mae]

Official: Greek police detain 4 suspected terrorists

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-17-15-31-33

Greek officials initially thought Abaaoud was in Turkey, but the detained man's name, as well as the cellphone found on him matches descriptions that Greek police received from Belgium, the Greek official said.

 

[Elley Mae]

France's Hollande defends freedom of speech after anti-Hebdo clashes abroad

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/17/us-france-shooting-idUSKBN0KQ0FB20150117

French President Francois Hollande said on Saturday that anti-Charlie Hebdo protesters in other countries do not understand France's attachment to freedom of speech.

 

[Elley Mae]

Protests against Charlie Hebdo's front cover have seen thousands more take to the streets - with students in Somalia declaring 'Je Suis Muslim - and I love my Prophet'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2914532/Anti-Charlie-Hedbo-protests-Somalia-Pakistan.html

 

[faw720]

Apart from all the waterboarding and rectal feeding, that is.

France has civil rights for suspects in custody too, just as all civilised countries do.

That was Dick Cheney who clamored for & applauded torture. I don't think that is the feelings of most Americans, at least I hope not. However we have overdone the "good guy" approach & now our criminals have more rights than the good guys. A good attorney can do an enormous amount of damage to the justice system.

In no way did I mean to imply that France was not a civilized country. However, IMO, we have reached a point where we are not dealing with a civilized enemy. I'm not at all sure what the correct course of action should be. Surely a black eye or two would not be inappropriate during interrogation or perhaps putting a few pigs in the cell with the terrorists. The pigs wouldn't hurt them, only make them uncomfortable.

 

[Elley Mae]

Moroccan man in France brutally stabbed to death by neighbour in 'horrible Islamophobic attack'


A source close to the murder investigation said he did not think it was 'a purely Islamophobic act,' but admitted the events of the past week could have 'stirred up fear and a rise in adrenaline'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-neighbour-horrible-Islamophobic-attack.html

 

[Cappuccino]

That was Dick Cheney who clamored for & applauded torture. I don't think that is the feelings of most Americans, at least I hope not. However we have overdone the "good guy" approach & now our criminals have more rights than the good guys. A good attorney can do an enormous amount of damage to the justice system.

In no way did I mean to imply that France was not a civilized country. However, IMO, we have reached a point where we are not dealing with a civilized enemy. I'm not at all sure what the correct course of action should be. Surely a black eye or two would not be inappropriate during interrogation or perhaps putting a few pigs in the cell with the terrorists. The pigs wouldn't hurt them, only make them uncomfortable.

Muslims aren't allowed to eat meat from pigs, there's nothing in their religion which says they can't be in the same room as them. And yes, a "black eye or two" would be inappropriate during a police interrogation, that's the type of thing which produces false confessions and blurs the line between the rule of law and terrorism.

 

[Elley Mae]

That was Dick Cheney who clamored for & applauded torture. I don't think that is the feelings of most Americans, at least I hope not. However we have overdone the "good guy" approach & now our criminals have more rights than the good guys. A good attorney can do an enormous amount of damage to the justice system.

In no way did I mean to imply that France was not a civilized country. However, IMO, we have reached a point where we are not dealing with a civilized enemy. I'm not at all sure what the correct course of action should be. Surely a black eye or two would not be inappropriate during interrogation or perhaps putting a few pigs in the cell with the terrorists. The pigs wouldn't hurt them, only make them uncomfortable.

bbm, This to me is the issue. they are not on the same page as we (civilized) people are and that is something that needs to be remembered when think of them, they are barbaric. jmo

I wouldn't do that to a pig.

 

[faw720]

Muslims aren't allowed to eat meat from pigs, there's nothing in their religion which says they can't be in the same room as them. And yes, a "black eye or two" would be inappropriate during a police interrogation, that's the type of thing which produces false confessions and blurs the line between the rule of law and terrorism.

How do we, the good guys, protect the population when the terrorists have no concept of the sanctity of life or the rule of law? They are just barbarians!

 

[Cappuccino]

How do we, the good guys, protect the population when the terrorists have no concept of the sanctity of life or the rule of law? They are just barbarians!

You won't do it by giving police the power to deliver black eyes to suspects in custody. There are plenty of countries around the world where the police do have that right, and they're not exactly peaceful, terrorism free paradises. Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Chechnya, Somalia - which of those countries would you feel safer in than America?

 

[ZaZara]

7 MILLION COPIES


Le Parisien reports:
http://www.leparisien.fr/loisirs-et...millions-d-exemplaires-17-01-2015-4455137.php

Translation:

A record print run.
The team of Charlie Hebdo announced on Saturday morning that the "issue of the survivors", released on Wednesday a week after the deadly attack that killed the editorial board, will be printed in 7 million copies.
The previous target had been set at 5 million.


Shipping of the latest issue takes place under police escort.


BBM



#JeSuisCharlie

 

[faw720]

You won't do it by giving police the power to deliver black eyes to suspects in custody. There are plenty of countries around the world where the police do have that right, and they're not exactly peaceful, terrorism free paradises. Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Chechnya, Somalia - which of those countries would you feel safer in than America?

Actually I don't feel all that safe in America. It's only a matter of time until the terrorists strike here.

How do free countries protect themselves? I don't know.

 

[Cappuccino]

Actually I don't feel all that safe in America. It's only a matter of time until the terrorists strike here.

How do free countries protect themselves? I don't know.

I know what free countries shouldn't do, and that's start giving their police the power to beat up suspects in custody. And that's not liberal cant, we know that's not the answer because there are plenty of countries around the world which already do that, and they have worse terrorism problems than America.

I think investing in good intelligence gathering and other forensic techniques would be a better way forward.

 

[HMSHood]

Many believe Turkey is very liberal, Its getting more islamist every day.

Via Twitter Turkey then (secular) and now.,
Quite a difference

MT @wellsla What a difference 90 years makes:
PHOTOS of different leaders & styles in #Turkey - #Erdogan & #Ataturk http://t.co/e5dqSiQRCz

Same with Iran. It has gone backwards under mullahs regime,
They are not allowing any kind of opposition or alternative to Islamic fundamentalists, terrible human rights violations, imprisonment and hangings; hateful rhetoric towards Israel and West.
It is also noteworthy that Obama admin completely ignored Iran's green revolution, seeking to overthrow current tyrannical & brutal regime. Now he is barganing with mullahs over nukes, warns Congress 'not to meddle' and not to impose new sanctions.

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Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is rolling in his grave.

 

[Colin de France]

42% of French disagree with the stand taken by Charlie Hebdo...........which strangely ties in with that of my own family..http://www.leparisien.fr/charlie-he...caricatures-de-mahomet-18-01-2015-4456691.php

 

[Footwarrior]

I know what free countries shouldn't do, and that's start giving their police the power to beat up suspects in custody. And that's not liberal cant, we know that's not the answer because there are plenty of countries around the world which already do that, and they have worse terrorism problems than America.

I think investing in good intelligence gathering and other forensic techniques would be a better way forward.

When following an evidence trail, the best technique is to let the evidence lead to a solution. In a police interview, the goal should be to discover what happened. Not to guess what happened and extract a confession from the suspect confirming your guess.

The New Yorker article The Interview published last month discusses how police interview techniques can lead to false confessions. It doesn't make society any safer to have the wrong guy in jail and the real culprit running around free.