Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/5 - 2/9 - Break

[Ricki]

Ok, something has been bugging me.

WTH did JA have TAs engagement ring, and seemed ok about it?

He questioned her and she said she would explain later, but her explanation has not been brought forth. I am sure she felt she in her warped mind she felt justified in taking it.

 

[ElleElle]

you misunderstood my post, I was saying when I first heard about the case, I did not have any facts to go on at the time, I just came across the trial on TV and started watching, seeing JA sitting there, I thought it would have been hard for any woman to over power a man unless something took place to disable the man first. As in if any man had a chance at all they would have been able to fight back. She did not have any injuries that were reported so it left me thinking somthing here is not right. I started looking into the evidence and watching the trial, boy were my eyes open. But still I say the whole story still has not been told. After I saw and heard the facts presented in the first trial I can say for any woman to do that much to a man and have not one injury to herself that was overkill. TA did not get one lick in and for that to happen she had to disable him on the start. Like some one said before to my post, they believe the knife came first and I agree ( the shower picture, to me it looked like fear in the mans eyes.) It was a rage killing in my opinion, no I do not think she has a mental disorder, I think she has a rage problem you can call it BPD or what ever else one wants to call it. She planned it, she knew full well what she was doing and she has no remorse, in fact I think she is proud of what she did. I was just simply saying that at the beginning I could not see how anyone especially a woman could have done this by herself and it got me to watching the trial to see how on earth someone could do this. This is the first trial I have ever watched. As I said before, I still do not believe the State has been able to bring all their evidence in, for what ever reason, but they do know the story and I believe we still have more to see come out as it now seems the DT have opened doors that were closed and I also believe JA will not get away with her little games of secrets in the end. Justice will be served at long last. TA has been cleared of so much already and will be cleared even more. JM will have his say and this time I do not believe there will be a hung jury. Sorry if I did not make my self clear in my post, I am new to these forums.

:welcome: It is very easy to get misunderstand in posts, hang in there.

BBM ~ Great post! I could not of said it any better. And, ITA, Travis did not have a chance. She was filled with white rage and she was a mission. And we should not worry ... Juan's got this.

 

[ElleElle]

He questioned her and she said she would explain later, but her explanation has not been brought forth. I am sure she felt she in her warped mind she felt justified in taking it.

For what?

JA: "Travis, I just borrowed your engagement ring because I want to pretend to be your wife." ? IMO, there is absolutely no reason she needed that ring, unless she pawned it? IDK

 

[Ricki]

For what?

JA: "Travis, I just borrowed your engagement ring because I want to pretend to be your wife." ? IMO, there is absolutely no reason she needed that ring, unless she pawned it? IDK

I have no idea, ElleElle. My mind can not think like hers. Either one of your reasons might of been one of hers. Pawning it sounds like something she would do, after all she had no problem taking his private space, why not his material things too?

 

[ElleElle]

"As to the cruel, depraved and heinous: Read through the state Supreme Court's legal interpretation of the phrase. We think you'll agree Arias' crime fits in several ways. The jury will see this language in their final instructions. Here are some highlights:

* "Mental anguish includes a victim's contemplation of his or her ultimate fate." -- Yes. Alexander had more than two dozen knife wounds.

* "As to physical pain, the victim does not need to be conscious for "each and every wound" inflicted for cruelty to apply." -- Check.

* "The plan must be 'such that suffering before death must be inherently and reasonably certain to occur, not just an untoward event.'" -- As with the "anguish" Alexander undoubtedly felt, the sheer number of stab wounds seems to meet this requirement.

* "A defendant relishes the murder when he or she takes pride in, or derives enjoyment from the killing as demonstrated by the defendant's words or actions." -- In addition to stabbing and shooting Alexander, Arias slit her boyfriend's throat from ear-to-ear. Only she knows if she enjoyed doing that -- but it's plain freaky that 24 hours later she was necking with a guy in Utah.

* " The fact finder must consider the killer's intentional actions to determine whether he acted with the necessary vile state of mind. The state must make two showings. The state must first show that the defendant did, in fact, use violence beyond that necessary to kill. The state must also show that the defendant continued to inflict violence after he knew or should have known that a fatal action had occurred." -- Check and check.

* "Needless mutilation occurs when the defendant mutilates the victim's body subsequent to death, reflecting 'a mental state that is `marked by debasement.'" -- Perhaps slashing Alexander's throat wasn't mutilation, but Arias' way of ending the suffering from his knife-gashes and bullet lodged in his brain. We'll give Arias this one."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/va...a_police_deleted_porn_trial_death_penalty.php

 

[Hat]

Why she took the ring?

He questioned her and she said she would explain later, but her explanation has not been brought forth. I am sure she felt she in her warped mind she felt justified in taking it.

Uh, she took it for safekeeping 'cause she didn't trust room mates.
Or, She took it by accident "I'm such a klutz"
My guess: " I needed to wear it 'cause this guy was hitting on me"

 

[elementary]

I think it is fairly safe to assume that with all the preparation, travel time and expense involved that JA did not fear TA at all. In fact, I would guess that she was pretty confident she could pull it off as she did because she knew he would not attack her. Otherwise she would have killed him while she slept. jmo

Remarkably astute. Duh, why didn't I think of it? LOL. Yep she had a gun; it would have been easy. And...why bring the knife?

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

He questioned her and she said she would explain later, but her explanation has not been brought forth. I am sure she felt she in her warped mind she felt justified in taking it.

I'm sure it was accidental. She was cleaning and must of gathered it up accidentally - much like a camera on in the washer

 

[elementary]

E- of course it wasn't PTSD. But ok, I've been schooled. Am either going to have to label my snark as snark or work on being more snarkable. Elementary, I fear you are getting a very wrong impression of my opinions.

Darn! I was rather confuzzled having read your posts for forever. Maybe a /snark tag at the end would help? I'm relieved you cleared that up. Thanks!

 

[elementary]

I think JSS is going to give a dressing down that will make all of us fall out of our chairs. I think she's fed up and has been for over 2 years, but she's been professional enough not to let it show or interfere with her judgments. She knows JA manipulates her—she even said so in the Appeals Court case—and when it is JSS' turn to speak she will!

Oh, I wish you were so right! But I get the impression that she doesn't like embarrassing or schooling anyone in public. I don't see it happening but, man, I hope I am wrong.

She can only do this if she gets to sentence the murderer, right? If so, I want to hear an explosive epic nuclear smackdown that embarasses and further exposes the butcher.

 

[elementary]

You can refrain from contributing to her livelihood without messing with it or writing a dishonest "book review."

I don't think the people writing those reviews were just trying to be helpful. They just needed an outlet to attack her.

I dunno. It didn't seem as if most people purported to be reviewing the book. They were talking about the trial and criticising LaViolette's character. Yes, some attacked her, but there were a lot of heartfelt critiques. DV survivors were criticising and exposing her disinformation and character. Yes, the critiques were not book reviews. IMO, big deal. Given her strident mendacity, hatred of men, venality, and generally ugly character, I'm glad she was exposed; IMO it would be irresponsible to recommend her books to anyone. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, with all respect.

 

[Wing Ding]

Originally Posted by Ricki
He questioned her and she said she would explain later, but her explanation has not been brought forth. I am sure she felt she in her warped mind she felt justified in taking it.
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Why she took the ring?
1- Uh, she took it for safekeeping 'cause she didn't trust room mates.
2- Or, She took it by accident "I'm such a klutz"
3- My guess: " I needed to wear it 'cause this guy was hitting on me"

4- "Oh that? I can explain that. But later. Like 6 1/2 years later in my re-sentencing trial when a jury is deciding whether to put me to sleep for slaughtering you to death. You''ll see. I mean I could just tell you the truth right now, but I'd rather not and I don't have a convenient lie right on the tip of my tongue. I won't become a prolific liar for a few years yet. You''ll see. [note to self: start working on "excuse rolodex"] So, T-Dogg... wanna do it later on tonight? I'll stop by the candy store on my way over...

 

[KPinMN]

For what?

JA: "Travis, I just borrowed your engagement ring because I want to pretend to be your wife." ? IMO, there is absolutely no reason she needed that ring, unless she pawned it? IDK

Putting my warped thinking cap on...

-I took your ring to get it cleanes, I was trying to ensure it retains its value

-I got it appraised, you need to add it to your homeowners insurance policy

-I mixed it up with the one I got from the $0.50 vending machine...oops

I think #3 is probably most JA like, backhanded (your ring looks cheap), inane, and clearly a lie

 

[bettybaby00]

Oh, I wish you were so right! But I get the impression that she doesn't like embarrassing or schooling anyone in public. I don't see it happening but, man, I hope I am wrong.

She can only do this if she gets to sentence the murderer, right? If so, I want to hear an explosive epic nuclear smackdown that embarasses and further exposes the butcher.

Oh I didn't even consider what she would say if sentencing fell to JSS. It would almost be worth it for her to decide just to hear what she would have to say!

 

[elementary]

Ugh....I've heard enough from her. I'm sorry. MOO

Sheesh. Where did she lose her mind?

 

[bettybaby00]

"As to the cruel, depraved and heinous: Read through the state Supreme Court's legal interpretation of the phrase. We think you'll agree Arias' crime fits in several ways. The jury will see this language in their final instructions. Here are some highlights:

* "Mental anguish includes a victim's contemplation of his or her ultimate fate." -- Yes. Alexander had more than two dozen knife wounds.

* "As to physical pain, the victim does not need to be conscious for "each and every wound" inflicted for cruelty to apply." -- Check.

* "The plan must be 'such that suffering before death must be inherently and reasonably certain to occur, not just an untoward event.'" -- As with the "anguish" Alexander undoubtedly felt, the sheer number of stab wounds seems to meet this requirement.

* "A defendant relishes the murder when he or she takes pride in, or derives enjoyment from the killing as demonstrated by the defendant's words or actions." -- In addition to stabbing and shooting Alexander, Arias slit her boyfriend's throat from ear-to-ear. Only she knows if she enjoyed doing that -- but it's plain freaky that 24 hours later she was necking with a guy in Utah.

* " The fact finder must consider the killer's intentional actions to determine whether he acted with the necessary vile state of mind. The state must make two showings. The state must first show that the defendant did, in fact, use violence beyond that necessary to kill. The state must also show that the defendant continued to inflict violence after he knew or should have known that a fatal action had occurred." -- Check and check.

* "Needless mutilation occurs when the defendant mutilates the victim's body subsequent to death, reflecting 'a mental state that is `marked by debasement.'" -- Perhaps slashing Alexander's throat wasn't mutilation, but Arias' way of ending the suffering from his knife-gashes and bullet lodged in his brain. We'll give Arias this one."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/va...a_police_deleted_porn_trial_death_penalty.php

Wow, this is a good reminder of exactly what this murderess did. Another factor that proves how heinous this crime was, and how inadequate her self defense excuse is, was the fact that after the first stab wounds--or gun shot depending which you believe--she could have easily escaped the situation. He in no way had the capability to follow her if she had attempted to flee the house. It was murderous rage, and i think the continued smearing of Travis during this phase proves that. IMO

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Great to meet you and thanks for sharing. LMAO at your last comment. I promise I won't rat you out to your employer...

Oh, they are well aware of everything we do. Silly, corporate nosey ... oops, I mean, BEST COMPANY EVERH!

 

[MeeBee]

I'm sure it was accidental. She was cleaning and must of gathered it up accidentally - much like a camera on in the washer

She was gathering things out of the drawer and only managed to get the ring? If that was her explanation it's as selective as her staged gun burglary.

 

[bettybaby00]

There's got to be an app for hacking the stun belt controls....

OMG, ha, ha, ha! :lol:

 

[elementary]

Why she took the ring?



Uh, she took it for safekeeping 'cause she didn't trust room mates.
Or, She took it by accident "I'm such a klutz"
My guess: " I needed to wear it 'cause this guy was hitting on me"

Ha! Or she took the diamond ring because she happened upon it in the drawer, tried it on and then couldn't get it off and was too embarrassed to tell Travis. It's scary how easy it is to make up convincing lies.