Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

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I read in this post that TT had a van while not driving Taxis.



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I think most of us are hoping the Police have THOROUGHLY investigate Droc's claims because if they havent and Noel Coward turns out to be correct after all these years then the WA police are going to look like the biggest clowns the Police world has ever seen having be told exactly who and why the crimes took place, and where Sarah Spiers was hidden by this mans crusade who beleived he knew the truth.

He has probably provided the most information about the case than anyone ever involved in any public discussion.

Noel is dead now so he will never know if he turns out to be right, or if he was completely bonkers and way off the mark. He was convinced like no other and always had some document or reason for everything involving this case, he talked as if he knew the truth and it came second nature to him when discussing the case. Whether he was insane, hopefully the Police catch the killer and we will know.

If Noel Coward is correct though the WA Police will probably never recover from the swift blow it would take to its credibility in being able to investigate any major crime. This guy provided everything.

Unfortunately Noel probably isnt right about the CSK case.
 
These are all classified as panel vans: http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/cars-category/panel-vans-for-sale/

BC from Post newspaper also said it was a commercial vehicle.

An older version of the same vehicle I posted was on that page. The vehicle back in the day would suit painters etc (this one currently is). Wonder if any Screen Printers in Claremont + surrounds used this type of vehicle.

@Sutton
I wonder what happened to Noel's file containing all his 'evidence' after his death? The updated/maintained copy of the file he sent to police back in 01
 
J35 brings up an excellent possibility.

Hear me out:
Someone running a screen-printing business would be purchasing gallon buckets of supplies and inks on the regular. Obvs they'd be purchasing mainly in very large quantities and having supplies delivered if they were a large operation, but if they were a smaller operation and/or ran out of supplies they'd be purchasing and transporting these buckets themselves every now and again.

I'm wondering if there were fibers collected from the K rape victim that had the same chemical residues (used in printing) impregnated in them (from spillage) as were collected from the SK victim? If the victims were laid out in the back of the vehicle, and that vehicle had been used to transport supplies this seems logical. Maybe the wire/rope DNA theory isn't correct.
 
I think the way the case has been handled and what we now know it is becoming increasingly apparent that the perpetrator is more than likely a pretend Police officer, or even an Actual Police Officer.

The reasons I think this is the case is that a number of different things that seem innocent none the less, but once you start adding them together it paints an awful picture of who it could possibly be.

Originally when the abductions occurred the first thing people were suspecting around Claremont and telling the Police is that they believed it was an off duty Police Officer in an unmarked car. The rumours back in those days were wild. So many people suspected a Police Officer for those first 12 Months after the first abduction.

The Police quickly dismissed this theory; they then were the ones who changed the focus to 'Taxi Driver'.

Looking back at the case there still is a lot of evidence to suggest that it was more than likely a 'Police Officer' than it would have been a 'Taxi Driver'

Vehicle: The vehicle was the same as the vehicles used by Police Officers during that era. It also was a similar colour to the standard Police Vehicle colour you saw it that era.

Confidence: The Claremont Rapist/Killer was not concerned about preying in one of Perth’s most affluent and rich areas. This suggests he either had ties to the area, or resented the rich part of Perth or what these people stood for, or this location was simply chosen because of the ‘shock’ factor this location would cause to the people of Perth. The fact the killer was not concerned to use this location on at least 4 occasions 6-12months apart from each rape/killing shows that they weren’t too concerned about being identified leaving the Claremont locale. If the Claremont killer was a Police officer he would not care at all about roaming the Streets. Any identification of his plates would not raise any alarm and would not result in being pulled over. The Perpetrator would also be able to identify Police movements and know where any speed traps or booze bus locations were situated. They could also escort the victim using any combination of streets and wouldn’t be subjected to the freeway.

Blitz Attack: All the evidence suggests now that the victims were subjected to a 'blitz attack' and that they didn’t voluntarily enter the vehicle. This seems far more plausible than a lot of the theories about the victim getting into a strangers vehicle willingly. If the perpetrator was a Police Officer he would be able to carry out a blitz attack quite easily, far more easily than anyone who was not trained to subdue people for a living. He would also be very capable of tying a victim down against their will. The training a Police officer undertakes would suggest they would be more capable than an ordinary citizen in undertaking these attacks. The killer would also be able to disguise a Blitz attack as being an arrest if caught in the act, which I think would have been highly unlikely as he looks to have abducted the victim from a secluded spot.

Secrecy about the investigation: There have been rumours it was a Police officer since the beginning of the case, this was shut down by the Police at the time despite a junior Police officer being a POI and also reports of a Police officers son trying to lure females into his vehicle. Now recently there is a suggestion it could have been someone impersonating a Police Officer. If we track right back to the beginning of the case then I hope the Police thoroughly investigated the Police Officer angle because if they didn’t then it is likely all their deflection earlier in the case has been detrimental to them ever seeking justice and finding the killer. It was very strange for the Police to refuse to focus on the Police officer angle despite public opinion at the time. There doesn’t seem to be any valid reason for the Police to refuse to investigate their own personal.

Refusal for an Inquest: There seems to be a sickening refusal for the WA Police to take accountability for the investigation, they have refused to allow an inquest and have battled with all their powers against allowing one to take place. It seems like there has been some sort of cover-up in the investigation and I can only think that with all the evidence that has been made publically that this is because they failed to investigate the most obvious suspect, themselves. A Coronial Inquest will most likely conclude that the WA Police too narrowly focused on certain POI’s whilst the perpetrator was able to get away with his crimes not from being smarter than the Police, but because too much time went by in the key moments of the investigation. Certain unsavoury characters in the WA Police force lead the investigation and look to have got the whole thing completely wrong.

Lack of Publically available Evidence: The Police have been so secret with all the evidence they have obtained and have come across as arrogant. They seek the publics help on numerous occasions, but then refuse to allow the public any insight into their investigation. All the public has is being able to take what has been one of the most corrupt Police forces in the Western world word for it that they are doing the right thing in this investigation. There has been no accountability, and every review has not been totally independent it has involved WA representatives in the Police force on every occasion to help guide the reviews. There seems to be a huge amount of distrust in WAPOL and the way they have handled the biggest ever murder investigation in Australia’s history is just another example of how an investigation can become so damaged through a lack of accountability from anyone other department, hence why an Inquest would be sorely needed in this particular case. The evidence to this day is still being kept secret. With the history behind major crime in WA and the complete lack of convictions it would be safe to conclude that WAPOL probably had enough evidence to find the perpetrator, but due to incompetent Police investigative methods they have again failed totally in solving this case (I wont go into examples but they are endless Mallard, Rayney etc). With a smarter Police force I am positive this case would be solved, with all the time that has gone by though it is not clear if it will be now.

There are a number of things in this investigation that simply to not add up, and now that enough time has gone by and the apparent new evidence bought to the table publicly it is seemingly looking like either someone was impersonating a Policeman, or working for the Police, or was a relative of the Police and that the Police themselves arrogantly refused to look towards there own when the original evidence and POI and sightings were telling them to look into the WA Police force. There have been many examples around the world where Police Officers have been serial killers, there are even more cases in WA of corruption and violence within our very own Police force. Everything from stealing gold, to assassination attempts, to wrongful setups and convictions etc, so saying that WAPOL has too much credibility for this to possibly be the case is straight away with no basis due to their history of violence and corruption. The CCC was specifically bought in to try and stop corruption. The constant Police deflection away from the fact it could be a Policeman reeks of a Police force desperately trying to convince the public otherwise without any certainty or basis for that deflection by refusing to be involved in investigating someone within their very own departments.

The 3 references to Police Officers that are publicly available are:

· News paper article outlining a Police officers son was trying to convince woman to enter his vehicle

· The Article online highlighting a junior Policeman was a POI early in the investigation. He has never been named publicly despite protesting his innocence to numerous media outlets

· Recent Seven Documentary on Sunday Night talking about the Claremont Case and how someone impersonating a Police officer was caught in a sting with rope, gaffer tape and a plastic lined boot.

All Available online and all can be found with a little bit of googling.
 
@elastic

to be fair, the police do need to keep some details confidential so that ,if someone confesses, they can tell the difference between the killer and some nut job.

I would assume an inquest could have consequences if the killer were caught down the track-eg help for mistrial due to investigator bias and/or corruption etc etc (at least in this case maybe)
Did they have one for Hayley Dodd? If so, it provides support for what your saying elastic
 
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/s...-claremont-disappearance-20160122-gmc60l.html
Family confident CSK will be caught

Latest Post newspaper http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/
(page 15) has a small article saying that all the Post articles this year have led to new leads. Obvious that Post articles would create awareness/get more people to report things they didn't back in the day. Why wait 7 years to announce breakthroughs if after new leads? Why the excitement about new leads if they were already on the right track back in March when doing familial DNA testing?
 
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/s...-claremont-disappearance-20160122-gmc60l.html
Family confident CSK will be caught

Latest Post newspaper http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/
(page 15) has a small article saying that all the Post articles this year have led to new leads. Obvious that Post articles would create awareness/get more people to report things they didn't back in the day. Why wait 7 years to announce breakthroughs if after new leads? Why the excitement about new leads if they were already on the right track back in March when doing familial DNA testing?

Very interesting Billywhizz. Particularly the reported comments made by the Spiers'

"We have been disappointed in some media coverage on occasion in the past, and in particular reports that have potentially misled public thinking and therefore jeopardised the ongoing investigation.

Q. I wonder what media coverage has misled public thinking?
And if that media coverage was misleading...how could it put the ongoing investigation into jeopardy?
Surely it would just take the reader down another dead end rather than put the investigation at risk?

and....

"We want to thank our family and friends for their ongoing support. We also want to thank the police for their support and for keeping us well informed about the investigation."
The family also thanked police for the ongoing investigation into Ms Spiers' disappearance, and the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon, who were abducted from Claremont in 1996 and 1997 respectively.

"We retain confidence in the Macro Investigation Team to solve this case," Don and Carol Spiers said.
&#8220;We understand the media's interest at this time but ask that you please respect our privacy&#8221;


Reading between the lines, the WA today report sounds like the investigation is close to resolution...or is that just wishful thinking?
 
Nice to be back from a stint in the cooler.. The rope clue; Well that would have had very very tiny bits of clothing in it and hence traces of ink which leads police to a screen printer.

Noel C, well he put 2 & 2 together & got 5. He suspected Taxi T for it & pursued that avenue of thought. Taxi T probably got tired of this & after a while decided to wind up Noel for maximum effect. Probably giving him huge amounts of cannon fodder for Noel to write up. 20th anniversary coming up. Supposed to be a write up in todays West Australian.
 
Blitz Attack: All the evidence suggests now that the victims were subjected to a 'blitz attack' and that they didn&#8217;t voluntarily enter the vehicle.
What evidence? The only things that suggests a blitz attack is the alleged link to Karra. There's as much evidence that still points to the girls getting in the car.

Obvious question; If the CSK was a cop or fake cop surely that's a pretty good way to convince a girl who wants to get home into a car?

The killer would also be able to disguise a Blitz attack as being an arrest if caught in the act, which I think would have been highly unlikely as he looks to have abducted the victim from a secluded spot.
Karra was secluded but where SS and CG were taken were not. Whilst they were on the perimeter of Claremont CBD they were in quite open and reasonably lit places.

Secrecy about the investigation: There have been rumours it was a Police officer since the beginning of the case, this was shut down by the Police at the time despite a junior Police officer being a POI and also reports of a Police officers son trying to lure females into his vehicle. Now recently there is a suggestion it could have been someone impersonating a Police Officer. If we track right back to the beginning of the case then I hope the Police thoroughly investigated the Police Officer angle because if they didn&#8217;t then it is likely all their deflection earlier in the case has been detrimental to them ever seeking justice and finding the killer. It was very strange for the Police to refuse to focus on the Police officer angle despite public opinion at the time. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be any valid reason for the Police to refuse to investigate their own personal.
Highly unlikely the police protected one of their own in this case. This is not a bent cop over exerting themselves on a drunken lout or a bent cop taking a bung. It's a serial killer. And if there was a cover up it would have come out.

The 3 references to Police Officers that are publicly available are:

· News paper article outlining a Police officers son was trying to convince woman to enter his vehicle

· The Article online highlighting a junior Policeman was a POI early in the investigation. He has never been named publicly despite protesting his innocence to numerous media outlets

· Recent Seven Documentary on Sunday Night talking about the Claremont Case and how someone impersonating a Police officer was caught in a sting with rope, gaffer tape and a plastic lined boot.

All Available online and all can be found with a little bit of googling.

1. It was one article from memory and if there was anything in it then it would have probably been pursued

2. So you think the media knew of a "junior policeman" suspect but have never ever made mention of it again? One, ONE media outlet wrote this. No other media outlet picked up on it. This strongly suggests a mistake in the article. They were highly likely to be referring to LW.

3. This is not true. The guy had an ex-cop car. He might have been impersonating a cop but nothing else was mentioned. If the guy had a fake badge then you can bet your *advertiser censored* that Bayens would have mentioned it.


I think a cop or fake cop is a plausible theory and a real possibility but let's not make the mistake of 2+2=5.
 
have a look at the article available on yahoo with headline "how Sarah vanished into a January night"; this article had a couple of very interesting photographs and written detail that does not appear in the West Australian article. Names (with photographs) of a couple of Sarah's (1996) friends. But what is more interesting is there is a photograph of a group of 4 detectives, including Paul Ferguson and they are all standing in front of a white holden commodore station wagon 'Executive'. Does anyone know who the other 3 detectives are and what year this holden station wagon might be ? Also in the yahoo article is a photograph of Paul Ferguson holding up a T-shirt that is not relevant to the story; I wonder why this photo has been included -- it's a chilean themed t-shirt -- could this be related to the 2 chilean offenders referred to by Dobson ! Or could it be a bit of intentional cage rattling by Macro ?

In the West Australian article, I note there are a couple of 'errors'; details that 2 guys in the car had observed Sarah at corner of Stirling Rd / Stirling Hwy (not 3 as in the CIA doc), and that Amanda had gone home after dropping Sarah off at Club Bay View with her friends. The detail in the CIA doc that is given by Amanda; she doesn't say she went home, in fact I got the distinct impression that she had not discovered Sarah was 'missing' from their 'home' until Monday morning.
 
· Recent Seven Documentary on Sunday Night talking about the Claremont Case and how someone impersonating a Police officer was caught in a sting with rope, gaffer tape and a plastic lined boot..

There was nothing mentioned in this documentary you have referred to that mentions "someone impersonating a police officer was caught in a sting with rope etc". Bayens said that he believed the vehicle this man was nabbed in was a former police pursuit vehicle; this does not indicate the man was 'impersonating' as many of these former pursuit vehicles were made available to the public in general, through vehicle auctions.
 
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1996: "light coloured panel van"

also 2015:
http://postnewspapers.com.au/editions/20151205/pdf/paper.pdf
page 47
The 1995 Karrakatta victim
described being abducted in a
white panel van that was wait-
ing in Claremont’s Rowe Park,
opposite the Showgrounds sub-
way, as she walked from Club
Bay View to a friend’s house in
Gugeri Street.



These are all classified as panel vans: http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/cars-category/panel-vans-for-sale/
.

if you check out the search parameters of this 'justauto' website you will find they have grouped panel vans and station wagons together as a search parameter; this does not mean that station wagons were also known as panel vans, or that panel vans were also known as station wagons.
 
I don't think the girls' clothing is relevant to their disappearances.

But I do have a screen shot on my phone of a similar outfit that must have been released shortly after Ciara disappeared. Unfortunately I cannot remember the source. You can see a bit of another picture next to it. Does anyone know where this came from? I'd like to get it 'filed'.

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(I took the shot on Dec 10, 2015. Thirty minutes later I took screen shots of the Australian Missing Person Register, but I cannot say this came from the same website.)

Sutton the clothing photo was in the Sunday Night show that featured Ferguson / Bayens.
 

Very interesting pickup there thankyou !

This guy is interesting because :

1. his FB page under the name Karl Bryhn he mentioned he is from Fremantle and that he had attended school in Bridgetown.
2. A bit of research shows his parents were Eva Maud Bryhn -- date of death 16/8/1985 and father was Birger Karl Bryhn -- date of death 3/4/1991.
3. Both parents are buried at Karrakatta in a 'family plot 0853' in Presbyterian section IA. Look how close this section is to Monash Ave -- could well be where the 1995 rape was carried out and this location could well fit the description of rape location ! http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/docs/default-source/maps/karrakatta-cemetery-map.pdf?sfvrsn=2
4. Both parents show up on electoral role in Bridgetown for 1980 (Lot 218 Nelson Road Bridgetown) -- same year that Lisa Mott was taken in Collie and not that far away either (for country-based travelers).
5. Both parents also show up on electoral role in Gosnells (1977) where the 1994 rape (that he now stands convicted in 2015) occurred. We don't know the exact address but the parents were linked to 70 Harry Street Gosnells the suburb is the last known suburb listed on mother's (1985) cemetery record.
6. Karl Boyd Bryhn had an ABN registered for South Australia -- postcode 5000 -- trading name 'Karl's cleaning service' -- another killer with a private business on the go.
7. Various newspaper reports detail he had been known to police in various states from around 1989. Could he have been the Cottesloe Hotel to Swanbourne drive-in (attempted) rapist ?
 
Very interesting Billywhizz. Particularly the reported comments made by the Spiers'

"We have been disappointed in some media coverage on occasion in the past, and in particular reports that have potentially misled public thinking and therefore jeopardised the ongoing investigation.

Q. I wonder what media coverage has misled public thinking?
And if that media coverage was misleading...how could it put the ongoing investigation into jeopardy?
Surely it would just take the reader down another dead end rather than put the investigation at risk?


and....

"We want to thank our family and friends for their ongoing support. We also want to thank the police for their support and for keeping us well informed about the investigation."
The family also thanked police for the ongoing investigation into Ms Spiers' disappearance, and the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon, who were abducted from Claremont in 1996 and 1997 respectively.

"We retain confidence in the Macro Investigation Team to solve this case," Don and Carol Spiers said.
“We understand the media's interest at this time but ask that you please respect our privacy”


Reading between the lines, the WA today report sounds like the investigation is close to resolution...or is that just wishful thinking?

Could well be referring to all the profile brouhaha in the press about the perpetrator's cleaning his vehicle, liked traveling, etc etc. More recent articles over the years have had comments by profilers, criminologists etc stating that it was their opinion putting the profile detail about the perp's vehicle fetish may have stopped members of the public phoning in with their more relevant reports.
 
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But what is more interesting is there is a photograph of a group of 4 detectives, including Paul Ferguson and they are all standing in front of a white holden commodore station wagon 'Executive'. Does anyone know who the other 3 detectives are and what year this holden station wagon might be ? .

It's a Toyota Camry Station Wagon
Looks similar to 94 Toyota Camry Vienta Executive Station wagon to be specific

No Holden station wagon of the period had such rounded tail lights as the one pictured.
 
Also in the yahoo article is a photograph of Paul Ferguson holding up a T-shirt that is not relevant to the story; I wonder why this photo has been included -- it's a chilean themed t-shirt -- could this be related to the 2 chilean offenders referred to by Dobson ! Or could it be a bit of intentional cage rattling by Macro ?
Anyone have any ideas? Maybe that's the only other photo of Ferguson they could find?

ps Who are the two Chilean offenders?
 
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It's a Toyota Camry Station Wagon
Looks similar to 94 Toyota Camry Vienta Executive Station wagon to be specific

No Holden station wagon of the period had such rounded tail lights as the one pictured.

Phew -- thanks for this information; on checking I think you are correct.
 
Anyone have any ideas? Maybe that's the only other photo of Ferguson they could find?

ps Who are the two Chilean offenders?

Listen to the 6PR taped interview with Terry Dobson; ex macro detective now solicitor. He goes into detail about the 2 chilean rapists that offended in Fremantle (and from memory Subiaco) as well -- prior to Claremont abductions / murders. It was Terry Dobson's other detail given out on that show that 1st mentioned his (and other detective's) suspicion that the Rowe Park / Karrakatta abduction / rapes in 1995 was connected to the Claremont abductions / murders.

google "rape case linked to Claremont serial killings - 6PR". The interview occurred on 16 October 2015.
 
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