Owner of the Infamous Purple Truck - Dr. Roy Heilbron

Hey guys, long time. This new thread is interesting, as I was unaware of a guy with a purple truck, but I stopped paying attention to this case several months ago, just awaiting the arrest.

But a couple of things in this thread that I would like to comment on:

1) Regarding HIPAA rules - the use of computers documenting any and all things that transpire at a doctor's office, is not cool, IMHO. I had a runin with this last year. My primary doctor had just the prior month given me an Rx and I then went to my yearly Retina doctor for exam, and the nurse is going over with me all the Rx I still take, and mentions the one I had just gotten a month earlier. I said to her, "How do you know about that? I never told you about it. I have not been here in a year!" She says it is in the system that is used by doctors, etc.

As soon as I got home I called Blue Cross/Blue Shield to complain and threaten legal action. I told BC/BS "Any medical person with a clearance, totally unrelated to me, even out of state, a low-level nurse's aid, can gain access to mine or anybody's medical records because it is now in a medical system!?!? How can this be allowed? I never gave permission to my primary doctor to share anything with anybody, and yet my information is in an accessible, nationwide computer medical system!"

This is a severe problem that is being ignored and not being addressed, with all the talk about advancements in care.

The only benefit from this new system is that if I get in a car accident and am unconscious, taken to a trauma center's ER, they will be able to know my medical history and not have to wait in making decisions on how to treat me.

Personally, I would rather run the risk, and not have my information in the system.

2) Mark had told me a couple of times last year (early 2015), and maybe the year before on one occasion, about his memory loss being associated with heavy metals in his system (chelation, and that Norman Shealy link on same). He told me he had been tested and found high levels of heavy metal in his system, and that he was taking supplements for it. I remember his saying that Teresa was involved, or knowledgeable, about the details of this issue. I shrugged when he told me, as I do often when I hear about homeopathic solutions.

I have not a clue what to make of this guy with the purple truck.

This murder case had my head swimming last Fall, and I stopped paying attention somewhere along the line (how do the detectives and you master WS people keep at it like you?!), but is it possible Mark himself was getting scammed by the purple guy?

Mark had mentioned to me, when his memory loss subject came up on the phone (he would forget what he was about to say, or had just been speaking about), that Teresa was aware of it and there was some type of awareness of the subject matter with regard to mercury (and other heavy metals) being in the brain, or body.

Had I been more prone to know that things would be important at a later date I would have paid more attention. For all I know, he may have mentioned one or both of these "doctors' " names to me. I do not recall any more than what I just wrote.

3) Maybe at a later time, I will fill in some of the pieces of the puzzle pertaining to all the info. on this whole murder case (not related to this thread in particular), but are still interesting. Nothing that is "breaking", but is highly mind boggling. Associations in the news and you guys have talked about in great detail on here I discovered last month, and one I just became aware of recently when a person contacted me. The novel that may one day get written, no doubt.
 
Welcome back! :seeya: Thanks for checking in, Skinner. I'm sure this hasn't been an easy time for you!

The technology tracking our meds, test results, etc is both convenient and unnerving. I go to doctors who are mostly part of a regional medical group. So my PCP can see what a specialist has prescribed and the tests he has run. I don't really mind, as that seems to improve my care. Plus, I can go on the private site and get my test results quickly.

But I am concerned about my SS being stolen by a dishonest employee, along with my birthdate and name...there goes my identity! It happens! Since Medicare uses my SS number on the card, I'm a sitting duck.

I'll look forward to your revelations even if they aren't "breaking." I'm sure you have a lot of puzzle pieces we can use.
 
Welcome back! :seeya: Thanks for checking in, Skinner. I'm sure this hasn't been an easy time for you!

The technology tracking our meds, test results, etc is both convenient and unnerving. I go to doctors who are mostly part of a regional medical group. So my PCP can see what a specialist has prescribed and the tests he has run. I don't really mind, as that seems to improve my care. Plus, I can go on the private site and get my test results quickly.

But I am concerned about my SS being stolen by a dishonest employee, along with my birthdate and name...there goes my identity! It happens! Since Medicare uses my SS number on the card, I'm a sitting duck.

I'll look forward to your revelations even if they aren't "breaking." I'm sure you have a lot of puzzle pieces we can use.

Yes, please do share, Skinner. We have missed you.
 
This new medical system and its access to the whole network may seem invasive, but also, it serves to bear an important service in preventing prescription abuse, which is probably more common than one would think.
 
This new medical system and its access to the whole network may seem invasive, but also, it serves to bear an important service in preventing prescription abuse, which is probably more common than one would think.

Not only abuse.....Lets the Dr know what the patient is taking from all his or her Drs. so he wont prescribe something that can interfere with the the ones the patient is taking or possibly cause a severe reaction or death.
 
'Intrigued by Eastern medicine, Dr. Sievers began exploring this ancient discipline and found the last piece of the puzzle: the mind, body and spirit connection and energetic healing. She jumped at the chance to study with one of the fathers of holistic medicine, Dr. Norman Shealy, MD, PhD and became certified in transcutaneous acupuncture.'

http://www.drteresasievers.com/about_us.php#.VwGGLHqjZso



-Nin

Have you read this one?


CHELATION

Roy Heilbron, M.D. & C. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D.

https://normshealy.com/chelation/
 
Have you read this one?


CHELATION

Roy Heilbron, M.D. & C. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D.

https://normshealy.com/chelation/

From Eileen's link:

The FDA, NIH and the American College of Cardiology have waged a war against chelation. In 2013, a $30+ million dollar NIH sponsored research project reported significant success and safety in chelation for coronary artery disease. Despite that, the Medical Establishment still rejects this important positive research. Dr. Roy Heilbron, whom I, Norm Shealy, consider the best cardiologist in the country, was one of the lead authors of the completed study.



BBM. I find this misleading. NIH findings:

Bottom Line


Overall, TACT showed that infusions of EDTA chelation therapy produced a modest reduction in cardiovascular events in EDTA-treated participants. However, further examination of the data showed that chelation therapy benefitted only the patients with diabetes.

Patients with diabetes, who made up approximately one third of the 1,708 TACT participants, had a 41 percent overall reduction in the risk of any cardiovascular event; a 40 percent reduction in the risk of death from heart disease, nonfatal stroke, or nonfatal heart attack; a 52 percent reduction in recurrent heart attacks; and a 43 percent reduction in death from any cause. In contrast, there was no significant benefit of EDTA treatment in participants who didn't have diabetes[...]

[...]Safety

In the TACT study, which had extensive safety monitoring, 16 percent of people receiving chelation and 15 percent of people receiving the placebo stopped their infusions because of an adverse event. Four of those events were serious; two were in the chelation group (one death) and two were in the placebo group (one death).

The most common side effect of EDTA chelation is a burning sensation at the site where EDTA is administered. Rare side effects can include fever, headache, nausea, and vomiting. Even more rare are serious and potentially fatal side effects that can include heart failure, a sudden drop in blood pressure, abnormally low calcium levels in the blood (hypocalcemia), permanent kidney damage, and bone marrow depression (blood cell counts fall). Hypocalcemia and death may occur particularly if disodium EDTA is infused too rapidly. Reversible injury to the kidneys, although infrequent, has been reported with EDTA chelation therapy. Other serious side effects can occur if EDTA is not administered by a trained health professional.

https://nccih.nih.gov/health/chelation



It reads to me like chelation is an unnecessary treatment, with risks, for coronary disease unless the patient has diabetes, and this really isn't made clear by Dr Norm.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it also doesn't look like RH was a lead author on the TACT research:

http://circoutcomes.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/11/19/CIRCOUTCOMES.113.000663.abstract


Disclaimer: I'm not going to pretend I know the first thing about clinical trials. This whole post could be garbage.
 
Have you read this one?


CHELATION

Roy Heilbron, M.D. & C. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D.

https://normshealy.com/chelation/


NIN's post showed that Dr. Sievers was a fan of Dr. Shealy. Eileen's shows that there is a connection between Dr. Shealy and Roy Heilbron (license suspended?), and thus that Dr. Sievers is more likely to have met or corresponded with Heilbron than we might have guessed.

By the way, the Heilbron/Shealy article on chelation is correct that chelation has long been the standard treatment for lead poisoning. According to a quick check with a Mayo Clinic article, it still is. The results of the TACT study that Heilbron has promoted seem weak to me, with most of the benefit occurring in diabetics and glucose used as the placebo in all populations studied, even the diabetics. As is so often the case in what we think of as "evidence-based medicine," the problem is with poorly designed studies (including bad placebos) and bias of one sort of another. In some cases, the company whose drug is being tested provides both the drug and the placebo and the placebo is never identified even in the full, published journal article.

The sloppiness of the Shealy/Helbron article is appalling. Twice these doctors, one of them a Duke Medical graduate, use "chelation's" as the plural of chelation. They refer to results being "fat better" when they clearly mean "far better." I may be picky, but I want a doctor who cares about his work.
 
Regarding the high metal levels (per Skinner's post), a common used holistic therapy used to detox the body of metals is Diatomaceous Earth. Which is, also, known to increase libido and as a natural "viagra". Interesting.
 
Hey guys, long time. This new thread is interesting, as I was unaware of a guy with a purple truck, but I stopped paying attention to this case several months ago, just awaiting the arrest.

But a couple of things in this thread that I would like to comment on:

1) Regarding HIPAA rules - the use of computers documenting any and all things that transpire at a doctor's office, is not cool, IMHO. I had a runin with this last year. My primary doctor had just the prior month given me an Rx and I then went to my yearly Retina doctor for exam, and the nurse is going over with me all the Rx I still take, and mentions the one I had just gotten a month earlier. I said to her, "How do you know about that? I never told you about it. I have not been here in a year!" She says it is in the system that is used by doctors, etc.

As soon as I got home I called Blue Cross/Blue Shield to complain and threaten legal action. I told BC/BS "Any medical person with a clearance, totally unrelated to me, even out of state, a low-level nurse's aid, can gain access to mine or anybody's medical records because it is now in a medical system!?!? How can this be allowed? I never gave permission to my primary doctor to share anything with anybody, and yet my information is in an accessible, nationwide computer medical system!"

This is a severe problem that is being ignored and not being addressed, with all the talk about advancements in care.

The only benefit from this new system is that if I get in a car accident and am unconscious, taken to a trauma center's ER, they will be able to know my medical history and not have to wait in making decisions on how to treat me.

Personally, I would rather run the risk, and not have my information in the system.

2) Mark had told me a couple of times last year (early 2015), and maybe the year before on one occasion, about his memory loss being associated with heavy metals in his system (chelation, and that Norman Shealy link on same). He told me he had been tested and found high levels of heavy metal in his system, and that he was taking supplements for it. I remember his saying that Teresa was involved, or knowledgeable, about the details of this issue. I shrugged when he told me, as I do often when I hear about homeopathic solutions.

I have not a clue what to make of this guy with the purple truck.

This murder case had my head swimming last Fall, and I stopped paying attention somewhere along the line (how do the detectives and you master WS people keep at it like you?!), but is it possible Mark himself was getting scammed by the purple guy?

Mark had mentioned to me, when his memory loss subject came up on the phone (he would forget what he was about to say, or had just been speaking about), that Teresa was aware of it and there was some type of awareness of the subject matter with regard to mercury (and other heavy metals) being in the brain, or body.

Had I been more prone to know that things would be important at a later date I would have paid more attention. For all I know, he may have mentioned one or both of these "doctors' " names to me. I do not recall any more than what I just wrote.

3) Maybe at a later time, I will fill in some of the pieces of the puzzle pertaining to all the info. on this whole murder case (not related to this thread in particular), but are still interesting. Nothing that is "breaking", but is highly mind boggling. Associations in the news and you guys have talked about in great detail on here I discovered last month, and one I just became aware of recently when a person contacted me. The novel that may one day get written, no doubt.

Welcome back Skinner, thank you for your insight. In that Mark purported himself to be so many things that were a lie I have serious doubts about the so called forgetfulness. Don't get me wrong, I do think that he may have had forgetfulness that is associated with drug use - although that is my opinion. Keep in mind, I am saying this after years of believing he was "anti-drug." I now know better and know that his alleged drug use was likely more than even Teresa knew. That being said, he was a passive aggressive gas-lighter. He remembered anything and everything that was important to him. If something served a use, say the details of a relationship of a woman that he was hitting on - he remembered. Or making multiple insurance payments. Or keeping in contact with patients to get residual income from supplements. Or buying burner phones and shipping them to your BFF to plot a murder. Mark wasn't stupid and Mark wasn't forgetful, provided the subject matter was important to him or worked to his advantage. Of course, again, this is all my opinion but it is backed by various facts and observations that have shaped this opinion. I knew he was a murderer on day one and I continue to question anything and everything he has ever said about himself, his wife or his family. Further, I think it will come out that he was involved in disappearances in Missouri that go decades back, as well as other illegal activities. This guy has been fraudulent since he was a teen. Fraudulent in his spirituality, fraudulent in his sexuality, fraudulent in his whole mode of operating. He forgets only what he wants to forget. Again - all my opinion. Okay, stepping off the soapbox.
 
Welcome back Skinner, thank you for your insight. In that Mark purported himself to be so many things that were a lie I have serious doubts about the so called forgetfulness. Don't get me wrong, I do think that he may have had forgetfulness that is associated with drug use - although that is my opinion. Keep in mind, I am saying this after years of believing he was "anti-drug." I now know better and know that his alleged drug use was likely more than even Teresa knew. That being said, he was a passive aggressive gas-lighter. He remembered anything and everything that was important to him. If something served a use, say the details of a relationship of a woman that he was hitting on - he remembered. Or making multiple insurance payments. Or keeping in contact with patients to get residual income from supplements. Or buying burner phones and shipping them to your BFF to plot a murder. Mark wasn't stupid and Mark wasn't forgetful, provided the subject matter was important to him or worked to his advantage. Of course, again, this is all my opinion but it is backed by various facts and observations that have shaped this opinion. I knew he was a murderer on day one and I continue to question anything and everything he has ever said about himself, his wife or his family. Further, I think it will come out that he was involved in disappearances in Missouri that go decades back, as well as other illegal activities. This guy has been fraudulent since he was a teen. Fraudulent in his spirituality, fraudulent in his sexuality, fraudulent in his whole mode of operating. He forgets only what he wants to forget. Again - all my opinion. Okay, stepping off the soapbox.

Thank you AmazonRain. - well said. I was thinking all those same things, just not posting. MS is clearly a pathological liar amongst all his other mental issues. It must be difficult to for some to feel so betrayed
 
I have a longtime friend who is a strong "believer" in "alternative, holistic" medicine. Her kitchen counter top looks like a pharmacy, with numerous, numerous huge bottles of supplements. This woman takes something like almost 50 pills per day of various types!

There was a time - until I asked her to please stop - that she was forwarding by email to me various "health related" articles. Usually these would be about some "new study" that "proved" something or other to do with a certain supplement. And for whatever reason, this friend, who was otherwise quite intelligent, just seemed to take each and every one of these articles as gospel.

In looking into the authors, I often found that their "credentials" - which involved lots of initials after their name - were for things like "Fellow of the American Academy of Alternative Practitioners". Then, when you looked up F.A.A.A.P. you found it was obviously a bogus "group", just something maintained by one guy. In addition, I found that many of the "peer reviewed" articles upon which health-benefit claims were being made were published in "pay to publish" venues with high-sounding names.

TS certainly seemed to be a true believer in how she was practicing medicine. She was obviously personable and her patients seemed to be quite devoted to her. And she certainly did not deserve to be gruesomely murdered. But there is no question that she had moved into the "woo-woo" portion of alternative medicine. By hooking up with LS and sending patients to her. By having LS there within her office.

I have been unable to understand how an obviously highly intelligent person like TS got so caught up into what would have to be considered a "fringe area", even within the alternative community. And I sort of got the idea that her family members, especially her mother, might have thought it was a load of crap. "Intuitive medicine"???? "Medical intuologist"???? Oh, please. To have put in the effort to go to medical school, to become an M.D. and then to end up associating yourself with sketchy alternative practioners just does not make sense to me.
 
I wonder if Marks Memory improved once he stopped the supplements!
 
Welcome back Skinner, thank you for your insight. In that Mark purported himself to be so many things that were a lie I have serious doubts about the so called forgetfulness. Don't get me wrong, I do think that he may have had forgetfulness that is associated with drug use - although that is my opinion. Keep in mind, I am saying this after years of believing he was "anti-drug." I now know better and know that his alleged drug use was likely more than even Teresa knew. That being said, he was a passive aggressive gas-lighter. He remembered anything and everything that was important to him. If something served a use, say the details of a relationship of a woman that he was hitting on - he remembered. Or making multiple insurance payments. Or keeping in contact with patients to get residual income from supplements. Or buying burner phones and shipping them to your BFF to plot a murder. Mark wasn't stupid and Mark wasn't forgetful, provided the subject matter was important to him or worked to his advantage. Of course, again, this is all my opinion but it is backed by various facts and observations that have shaped this opinion. I knew he was a murderer on day one and I continue to question anything and everything he has ever said about himself, his wife or his family. Further, I think it will come out that he was involved in disappearances in Missouri that go decades back, as well as other illegal activities. This guy has been fraudulent since he was a teen. Fraudulent in his spirituality, fraudulent in his sexuality, fraudulent in his whole mode of operating. He forgets only what he wants to forget. Again - all my opinion. Okay, stepping off the soapbox.
AMAZONRAIN, Sometimes the THANK YOU button is not enough to convey my full appreciation of your insight and participation in this case. BTW, I agree with your insights!
 
I have a longtime friend who is a strong "believer" in "alternative, holistic" medicine. Her kitchen counter top looks like a pharmacy, with numerous, numerous huge bottles of supplements. This woman takes something like almost 50 pills per day of various types!

There was a time - until I asked her to please stop - that she was forwarding by email to me various "health related" articles. Usually these would be about some "new study" that "proved" something or other to do with a certain supplement. And for whatever reason, this friend, who was otherwise quite intelligent, just seemed to take each and every one of these articles as gospel.

In looking into the authors, I often found that their "credentials" - which involved lots of initials after their name - were for things like "Fellow of the American Academy of Alternative Practitioners". Then, when you looked up F.A.A.A.P. you found it was obviously a bogus "group", just something maintained by one guy. In addition, I found that many of the "peer reviewed" articles upon which health-benefit claims were being made were published in "pay to publish" venues with high-sounding names.

TS certainly seemed to be a true believer in how she was practicing medicine. She was obviously personable and her patients seemed to be quite devoted to her. And she certainly did not deserve to be gruesomely murdered. But there is no question that she had moved into the "woo-woo" portion of alternative medicine. By hooking up with LS and sending patients to her. By having LS there within her office.

I have been unable to understand how an obviously highly intelligent person like TS got so caught up into what would have to be considered a "fringe area", even within the alternative community. And I sort of got the idea that her family members, especially her mother, might have thought it was a load of crap. "Intuitive medicine"???? "Medical intuologist"???? Oh, please. To have put in the effort to go to medical school, to become an M.D. and then to end up associating yourself with sketchy alternative practioners just does not make sense to me.

She should have hired a dietitian instead of LS. Put the PT on a good diet. But, there is a lot of money to be made in supplements and it seems that a lot of people buy a lot of goods off of infomercials. MOO
 
Oh Em Gee. I'm back on page 3 still reading trying to find the letter and catching up. SMS wasn't kidding when he said this was a case with many layers- that darn envelope is a big one. Bless It as we say in the South. What a MS is.

BRB going back to catch up with the rest of the pages.
 
Welcome back Skinner, thank you for your insight. In that Mark purported himself to be so many things that were a lie I have serious doubts about the so called forgetfulness. Don't get me wrong, I do think that he may have had forgetfulness that is associated with drug use - although that is my opinion. Keep in mind, I am saying this after years of believing he was "anti-drug." I now know better and know that his alleged drug use was likely more than even Teresa knew. That being said, he was a passive aggressive gas-lighter. He remembered anything and everything that was important to him. If something served a use, say the details of a relationship of a woman that he was hitting on - he remembered. Or making multiple insurance payments. Or keeping in contact with patients to get residual income from supplements. Or buying burner phones and shipping them to your BFF to plot a murder. Mark wasn't stupid and Mark wasn't forgetful, provided the subject matter was important to him or worked to his advantage. Of course, again, this is all my opinion but it is backed by various facts and observations that have shaped this opinion. I knew he was a murderer on day one and I continue to question anything and everything he has ever said about himself, his wife or his family. Further, I think it will come out that he was involved in disappearances in Missouri that go decades back, as well as other illegal activities. This guy has been fraudulent since he was a teen. Fraudulent in his spirituality, fraudulent in his sexuality, fraudulent in his whole mode of operating. He forgets only what he wants to forget. Again - all my opinion. Okay, stepping off the soapbox.

BBM - whenever I hear about MS alleged memory loss issues, my eyes roll. It reminds me of little kids who lie and immature adults who use this as an excuse. Don't get me wrong, I forget things like we all do, but my memory issues are probably related to disorganization and distraction because I forget important things just as often as non-important (non-important, but annoying or funny - I forgot something in a recipe, or forgot to shave one armpit)

He doesn't "forget" - he "chooses" his behaviors.

Any good doctor will look at ALL memory related issues. Just as you state here, AmazonRain - he remembers WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO HIM. Just like any other person who lies.

If this goes to trial and any claim of memory loss used by the defense as any sort of excuse or mitigation, it will be exploded by experts during cross examination. Although, it would be entertaining to see that :D
 
AMAZONRAIN, Sometimes the THANK YOU button is not enough to convey my full appreciation of your insight and participation in this case. BTW, I agree with your insights!

Totally agree IQuestion. But I don't understand the short response leaving out multiple BOLD, or emojis, or all the good stuff you usually post!
 

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