GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 Aug 2014 - Enrique Arochi kidnapping trial #6

[Hoosgirl]

Did anyone else notice ....

When it came time for the defense to have people testify that EA didn't do it, there were exactly ZERO witnesses who would testify to that under oath.

And when it came time in the punishment phase for the defense to have people testify to EA's otherwise good character and general positive nature to the community, there were ZERO witnesses who would testify to that under oath either.

That speaks loudly.

Yup. No co-workers to say what a hard-working young man, no second grade teacher to talk about how he shared his cookies, no friends to share how he was always there for him, no loving aunt to share pictures of him as a toddler picking daisies. Not surprised they didn't have anyone testify.

At the same time, it also gives me a small speck of worry for appeal. Shouldn't his attorneys at least tried to present some mitigating factors? His age, the drinking that night, etc? Mind you, I don't think personally any of those mitigate the heinousness of the crime. But I wonder if they didn't even try in the hopes of an ineffective counsel appeal. Though why an attorney would throw his professional reputation under the bus to create grounds for appeal I have no idea.

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[brian1108]

If auto motives where never invented this might not have happened. They also cause pollution and almost 100 people die a day in auto wrecks. Well enough with statistics.

I thought they said they found grass that was known to grow around water areas under his car. Maybe it was near the lake at the park to the west of the parking garage.

They also said the boyfriends cell phone was at dallas at that time.


I just hope justice is served.

 

[TCMom]

Respectfully. There had to be a split or they would not have went 17 hours! Jurors go back and elect a foreperson and do an initial vote. IF they all agreed, then they would have came right back out with a verdict if they were all in agreement.

ALT Juror is who stated that only 1 vote was taken after Deliberating. He would have no knowledge of what happened prior to joining the jury and going to the hotel. We have no knowledge of what happened when they began on next morning. We do know they had questions before the ALT Juror joined because they sent notes out.


On Wednesday night, Newbill gave us insight into those jury deliberations. He talked about one juror who was frustrating to work with. He said one juror kept trying to come up with theories as to how it all may have happened.

Newbill applauded the work of the jury foreman, who was able to steer the deliberations into a systematic manner. He also mentioned that the jury had decided on a secret ballot late into the second day of deliberation. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/coll...-jury-that-convicted-enrique-arochi/327601676

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/09/27/j...ris-kidnapper/
Newbill said one juror in particular needed convincing more than the others that all of evidence was circumstantial – and a man’s future was at stake.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Sen...394764061.html
"We had a couple jurors who, I wouldn't say they held out, they were simply asking reasonable questions, trying to make sure that we got it right and at times things got emotional," said Newbill.

No. This Juror was Juror Number 1. No alternate about it. He participated in all 17 hours of deliberation.

I watched the alternate juror leave the jury box to join the others. This man was not him.

 

[TCMom]

And the jury questions came in two parts because they didn't ask for evidence "correctly" the first time.

They wanted 1) Additional photocopies of the timeline 2) Clarification of Rand Aridi's testimony as to when she first saw the injuries to EAs hands and 3) something about the phone being wiped.

For 2 and 3, they had to send the second request. The 2nd request came back with only the question of Aridi's testimony. So they must have worked out the wiped phone issue amongst themselves.

They sent NO notes on Wednesday deliberations so they were in agreement on the evidence presented and had no further questions.

I don't perceive 17 hours to have been non-unanimous. Based on the interview I feel that there were a few jurors who were conscientious enough to weigh all the evidence and make sure they were doing the right thing. Nothing wrong with being cautious.


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[Dogface]

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Hello,

I do not believe EA has the intelligence to disappear a body without a trace for 2 years.
Plenty of really dumb people have disappeared bodies to never be found. There is miles and miles of land that isn't developed in these areas he was around, bodies of water, and plenty of dumpsters. Hiding a needle in a large haystack doesn't require a genius or even someone smart.

I am still not able to figure out how "sex/rape" concept came into play and how this makes him a predator. Can someone explain?
Actually, with someone who watches this type of *advertiser censored* regularly, the fantasy becomes the new reality due to desensitization. Sex addiction is just as dangerous as drug addiction, probably more so in this particular case. http://www.socialcostsofpornography.com/Layden_Pornography_and_Violence.pdf


2) EA had sexual encounters with a minor:
That lasted 5 months. The girl was 16-yo. This pretty much makes everyone I know sexual offenders when they were teenagers. Moreover, girls lie about their age very frequently.

No proof as of yet the female lied about anything, so that's an assumption based in stereotyping.

3) Detective interviews Boss, who said Arochi left angry that she rebuffed his advances:
She wanted to do it on the bedroom, EA wanted on couch. Isn't this what others said? Why did SB call him next day if he is such a predator?
Many people continue relationships with abusive types of people
4) EA has links to Salo in his phone:
If you are watching non-Hollywood movies, you probably came across Salo, The Beast (Bestiality) , Cement Garden (Incest), Irreversible (Rape). Hell, I even watched "A Serbian Film" (pedophilia, necrophilia, incest, rape, gore) upon recommendation from my girlfriend! She said she had nightmares because of the last one! Bottom line is, we do not know what it is going to turn out to be prior to watching it. And curiousity is human nature. It does not make us "sick" or "evil".

Actually, exposure to that type of stuff can alter the brain, see above link I posted. Just because you watch non Hollywood movies doesn't mean you are watching violent rape films.

In my opinion, "drug" aspect is more crucial here than "sex". We are mostly trying to base our conclusions on what is considered "normal". That "normal" is skewed in drug-scenes. See below.
Sex is addicting just like drugs, combine someone who was admittedly on drugs and a sexual deviant and that's a recipe for disaster
Remember that guy who was caught running naked on the streets? CM said it was her friend who wanted to stay in her house... On a house that does not have water, that does not have electricity.

* Does it sound normal to you for someone in that age group not to have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that someone else would want to stay in a house that does not have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that, that someone would want to take a shower, and someone else in that building will allow him to take a shower in his apartment?
perhaps she had a lien against her for prior nonpayment, perhaps she didn't see the the need as it was just a glorified storage unit and she mainly just crashed with friends, I'm not sure but it could be a number of reasons

Nobody deserves this but a person in this environment is exposed to more risks than we can imagine. I am not finding it a good character trait to have a relationship with someone, to live with someone and start dating his best friend while living in his house.I am not finding it amusing to push drugs, to have drug-dealer as boyfriend, to live with that drug dealer. All exposures to more risks. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.
Yes, she increased her risk 10 fold when she hung out with Arochi, a sexual predator on drugs, but let's not victim blame. The problem is people like Arochi.
I am also finding it interesting that detectives cannot come to a conlusion as to what happened. Do you think in 3 minutes someone can walk to his car, incapacitate someone else there, put her in his trunk, then leave? If not, why does one detective, whose job is exactly finding out this, thinks she left in trunk?


It literally take seconds to shove someone in a trunk and slam it closed. Seconds. No one can say exactly what happened, as there is no witnesses, so you look how the pieces fit together: they walked into garage together, he denied her being in his car, her DNA was found to be in his car, he was caught cleaning it out, was late to work and had previous unseen injuries. If it walks and quacks like a murderous predator duck, and is supported by physical evidence, it's probably a murderous predator duck.​

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[Dogface]

His family, HER family knew that she was staying nights at EA home? Jennifer Smith even lied orig to LEO about her age. EA parents bought her a birthday cake. Crazy. I am like some on the prev thread, reaching jmho No one ever filed any charges. They had to go to her. Her parents knew yet didn't file charges???

So just throwing out there/thinking out loud

Say something happens and they drop the charges? or gets thrown out for some reason. Since the allegation was used in this trial Quailfoot or Minor#4 how will that play out or will it.

I don't see anything suggesting her parents knew she was staying at Arochis in those documents. They may have thought she was staying with a girlfriend for all we know. Or they could have known. But that document doesn't make it clear.

Also, once law enforcement discovered this relationship, the prosecutor can file charges as they see fit, tbe victim actually doesn't have to file any criminal complaint at all.

 

[Mindmatters]

Just an observation: I see someone is up to their old tricks. SSDD, see Beverly Carter case IYKWIM. :facepalm:

Arochi kidnapped Christina Morris PERIOD. I don't even want to speculate what she went through but I would bet everything I own that he killed her too. I hope they charge him with her murder soon.

 

[arkansasmimi]

No. This Juror was Juror Number 1. No alternate about it. He participated in all 17 hours of deliberation.

I watched the alternate juror leave the jury box to join the others. This man was not him.

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Video Link - Fox 4 News
SEP 27 2016 06:35PM CDT

Fox 4 News Video and Report

Reporters spoke to a juror on the phone who said only one vote was taken after deliberating. (The alternate who stepped in when the sick juror was dismissed).

Also: on screen comments from Juror #1 and an attorney not associated with the Arochi case http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gravated-kidnapping-6&p=12839630#post12839630

At end of video http://www.fox4news.com/news/208088203-story

 

[arkansasmimi]

Just an observation: I see someone is up to their old tricks. SSDD, see Beverly Carter case IYKWIM. :facepalm:

Arochi kidnapped Christina Morris PERIOD. I don't even want to speculate what she went through but I would bet everything I own that he killed her too. I hope they charge him with her murder soon.

:thinking: no I don't know what you mean. Care to explain? Thanks

 

[zippixx]

Even after a relatively quick verdict, among 12 competent jurors, that weighed all the facts in this case, there are still doubters. Oh well, to each their own and you certainly have a right to your opinion. Personally, I can't see past the obvious. This crime was not "made for tv". I'm just not finding the unicorn....

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't see anything suggesting her parents knew she was staying at Arochis in those documents. They may have thought she was staying with a girlfriend for all we know. Or they could have known. But that document doesn't make it clear.

Also, once law enforcement discovered this relationship, the prosecutor can file charges as they see fit, tbe victim actually doesn't have to file any criminal complaint at all.

Per the last page of document, minor mother stated she was still 16 when found out had spent night at EA. They were still dating past 17th birthday. Nothing reported until PPD contacted.

Feb 10, 2015 mom said prior to Christmas 2012 found out minor still 16 spent night at EA. Doesn't state how many times but they dated 6 months. Just going off document. Also much discussion way back on thread I posted link to. So this is not just my opinion or bringing up something new.

 

[arkansasmimi]

2 - He was 22 and he lied to her about his age, telling her he was 19. She was 16 and he lied to his parents, telling them she was 17. We don't know that she lied about her age, only that she didn't correct his parents on her birthday. It is illegal for an adult to have sex with someone that is 16 or younger in Texas.

3 - I never heard that she wanted to do it in the bedroom. Where did that come from?

5 - We don't know if it was consensual and she was 16. This is the same argument used to defend domestic abusers.

Per testimony yesterday "Jennifer Smith" initially lied to PPD about her age too. Not defending or accusing anyone just talking about proceedings. Also last page a friend/coworker also said they had sex.

 

[cfreyja23]

Nah, everything adds up. EA clearly did this. ALL the evidence points to him (and NO ONE ELSE), and there's a mountain of it. And that means that EA is the one who knows what happened to CM ...where and when she was taken out of his trunk, EA knows. If we want to get someone to tell us where she is, who knows, it's EA.

And yes, let's crucify the guy who walked her to her car, because he abducted her and probably raped or tried to rape her and probably murdered her too. EA did it, everyone knows he did it, and all that remains is to see if he will ever tell where he put her. If he won't talk, we'll keep looking and let prison dispense some justice to him.

Agreed, and some of the best evidence was EA's own words, lies he told to police, to friends, to co-workers. That is evidence. Evidence isn't just direct evidence (DNA, fingerprints, etc.). My fellow attorneys often lament the propensity of jurors and laypersons to expect a clear-cut smoking gun, and clear-cut DNA evidence (the "CSI effect," it's often called). But this isn't reality. Perps clean up crime scenes, what happened to victims isn't always clear. It perfectly normal for different detectives to have different theories of exactly how she was kidnapped, because there are multiple possibilities. He may have pushed her in the trunk at the garage, he may have offered her a ride but then drove her somewhere else against her will. These are all still kidnapping. I can see how it would be hard for some to agree with this, but it complies with the law and is fair.

 

[zippixx]

Agreed, and some of the best evidence was EA's own words, lies he told to police, to friends, to co-workers. That is evidence. Evidence isn't just direct evidence (DNA, fingerprints, etc.). My fellow attorneys often lament the propensity of jurors and laypersons to expect a clear-cut smoking gun, and clear-cut DNA evidence (the "CSI effect," it's often called). But this isn't reality. Perps clean up crime scenes, what happened to victims isn't always clear. It perfectly normal for different detectives to have different theories of exactly how she was kidnapped, because there are multiple possibilities. He may have pushed her in the trunk at the garage, he may have offered her a ride but then drove her somewhere else against her will. These are all still kidnapping. I can see how it would be hard for some to agree with this, but it complies with the law and is fair.

Thanks for your post. It's good to have another attorney chime in & state the obvious.

 

[SteveS]

Per testimony yesterday "Jennifer Smith" initially lied to PPD about her age too.

Wait, what? LOL sounds like a story EA would tell. He believes that if you don't have the facts that help you, just make something up and hope no one double-checks.

As to your repeated statement that Smith lied - no, that wasn't what the tweeted testimony said at all.

There are indeed many tweets (at least 9, by my count) that tell us of testimony that EA lied to Smith about his age, which you didn't mention of course. (EA knew he was a sex criminal, at that time. His intentional lies make that clear, that he knew the law about ages and sex. He lied on both ends of the equation, to her and her parents about his age telling them he was 19 which would make it legal, and to his parents about her age telling them she was 17 which would make it legal, so no one would know what he clearly knew and tried to hide from everyone - he was a 22-year old having illegal sex with a 16-year old teenager. His lies to all show he knew it was illegal, but no one else did, because he hid the truth of their relative ages. And of course, in December, it will be an another easy case for the state to win.)

But no tweets that she lied. She was lied to. Not lying. Here are ALL the age-related tweets you posted in this forum that I can find, from yesterday's testimony.
(PS - You condone and excuse EA's behavior over and over, so below I have added tweets from the same context, so you can see your boy in all his splendor doing his thing that sadly led him to CM, abusing and preying on women)

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 3m3 minutes ago
Prosecutor says state wants to prove extraneous offense of sex assault of a child - she was 16, he was 22 #arochitrial

Jobin PanickerVerified account ‏@jobinpnews 3m3 minutes ago
State says it will bring evidence of a sexual assault of child. He was 22 and she was 16. Also deviant *advertiser censored* on his phone #ArochiTrial

James Rose ‏@JamesRoseFox4 3m3 minutes ago
Fox4News:#ArochiTrial State: Enrique Arochia engaged in sexually deviant behavior w 16yo girl in another case against him.

James Rose ‏@JamesRoseFox4 2m2 minutes ago
Fox4News:#ArochiTrial State: Enrique Arochia engaged in sexually deviant behavior w 16yo girl wants judge to consider this in sentencing.

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 3m3 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Arochi was 22 while Smith was 16 during relationship #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 2m2 minutes ago
Busby said they got teen's name during interview in December 2014 and they interviewed girl at police station #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 7m7 minutes ago
Investigators found bra belonging to 16-year-old in Arochi's home #arochitrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 7m7 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Dec. 2014 detective found torn-up picture of the victim of child sexual assault in Arochi's trash and an old Valentine. #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW

Jobin PanickerVerified account ‏@jobinpnews 8m8 minutes ago
Detective says Arochi sexual relationship with underage victim lasted several months. #ArochiTrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 9m9 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Arochi's sexual relationship with 16-yr-old went on from around October 2012 through Feb. 2013. They worked together. #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 7m7 minutes ago
Defense asked about age range. Smith said Arochi initially lied, said he was 19. She later learned he was 22 #arochitrial

Jobin PanickerVerified account ‏@jobinpnews 7m7 minutes ago
Busby: Victim said Arochi told her he was 19. #ArochiTrial

Scott Sidway ‏@ScottyWK 7m7 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Busby: Arochi lied to Jennifer Smith about age, said he was 19, revealed real age later. #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 8m8 minutes ago
Busby: Arochi lied about age, said he was 19 #arochitrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 8m8 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Arochi originally told 16-yr-old he was 19, she later learned he was 22. She described them as boyfriend & girlfriend. #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW

Meredith YeomansVerified account ‏@YeomansNBC5 7m7 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Det. Busby says Arochi lied to then girlfriend about his age... said he was 19 when he was 22yo. Victim was 16. #ArochiTrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 6m6 minutes ago McKinney, TX
16-yr-old had met Arochi working as hostess at a restaurant. He was 22 worked there as waiter, told her he was 19. #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW

Scott Sidway ‏@ScottyWK 7m7 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Jackson confirms Arochi lied to Smith about age. Says they met while she was a hostess at a restaurant. #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 7m7 minutes ago
Jackson confirms Arochi lied to "Smith" about age #arochitrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 7m7 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Det. Jackson learned Arochi choked 16-yr-old during sex "on more than one occasion." #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW

The Mercury ‏@arochimercury 8m8 minutes ago
Jackson says she believes Arochi committed sexual assault of a child during his relationship with Smith #ArochiTrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 8m8 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Det. Jackson says it was sexual assault because of the victim's age. #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW

James Rose ‏@JamesRoseFox4 11m11 minutes ago
Fox4News:#ArochiTrial 2nd State witness Allen PD Det Phyllis Jackson testifies Arochi hit & choked 16yo girl on more than 1 occasion.

 

[SteveS]

-------------- BONUS: AND THE REST OF THE STORY ----------------------------

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 3m3 minutes ago
Prosecutor says Arochi would choke her and hit her during those sexual encounters - woman will use pseudonym #arochitrial

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 2m2 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Prosecution: Arochi choked and hit Jennifer Smith during sex #arochitrial

The Mercury ‏@arochimercury 2m2 minutes ago
Prosecution says child, under pseudonym of Jennifer Smith, was hit and choked by Arochi #ArochiTrial

Jobin PanickerVerified account ‏@jobinpnews 3m3 minutes ago
State is asking Judge to consider the "choking and hitting" as it states in seperate sex assault allegation. #ArochiTrial

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 3m3 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Fortenberry cites 4 counts of sex assault of child #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 3m3 minutes ago
Prosecutor says notice is for four counts of sexual assault of a child #arochitrial

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 2m2 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Busby: learned of Jennifer Smith from Arochi girlfriend #arochitrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 2m2 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Busby says Arochi's ex-girlfriend gave them name of victim in sexual assault of a child case. #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 8m8 minutes ago McKinney, TX
State shows photo of Smith's haltertop that showed DNA evidence #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 8m8 minutes ago
Busby said sexual relations occurred at Arochi's house in Allen #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 8m8 minutes ago
Busby says Smith described one occasion where Arochi was choking her #arochitrial

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 9m9 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Busby: Smith described Arochi choking her during sex #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 8m8 minutes ago
Allen PD investigator Phyllis Jackson takes stand #arochitrial

Jobin PanickerVerified account ‏@jobinpnews 6m6 minutes ago
Detective works with Crimes Against Children Unit at Allen PD. #ArochiTrial

The Mercury ‏@arochimercury 7m7 minutes ago
Jackson said she learned Arochi choked Smith during sex on more than one occasion #ArochiTrial

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 7m7 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Jackson: Smith said Arochi choked her on more than one occasion #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 8m8 minutes ago
Jackson testified that she learned Arochi would choke Smith on more than one occasion #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 9m9 minutes ago
Investigators saying Arochi choked, hit women in past #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 9m9 minutes ago
Prosecutor now reviewing texts between Arochi and his girlfriend, Rand Aridi that talk about Smith #arochitrial

Scott Sidway ‏@ScottyWK 9m9 minutes ago McKinney, TX
State shows text from Arochi to girlfriend that reads "I'm glad I *advertiser censored**ed _____." Name blacked out was Jennifer Smith. #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 9m9 minutes ago
"I'm glad I f....d (Smith)," one text from Arochi read. #arochitrial

Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg
Benzick testified movie involved rape, sexual abuse, gore, nudity... 2nd movie about murder and cannibalism #arochitrial

Valerie Wigglesworth 3m3 minutes ago
Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg
Benzick also found 2 movies - one had adolescent boys and girls involved in physical, mental torture #arochitrial

Valerie Wigglesworth 4m4 minutes ago
Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg
Benzick testifies at least 20 images showed women tortured, tied up, raped, mutilated #arochtrial

Valerie Wigglesworth 5m5 minutes ago
Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg
Benzick testifies images of extreme deviant sexual behavior "some of most intense" he's seen #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 9m9 minutes ago
Benzick said the images in the app sent by Arochi were of women being tortured, raped, mutliated #arochitrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 9m9 minutes ago McKinney, TX
"Some of the most intense things I've seen in reviewing phones. Some messages involved women being tortured." -Det. Benzick #ArochiTrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 9m9 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Det. Benzick re. images on Arochi's phone: "females tied up, raped, mutilated, very deviant stuff...At least 20 of those." #ArochiTrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 9m9 minutes ago
Benzick also found 2 movies - one had adolescent boys and girls involved in physical, mental torture #arochitrial

Jobin PanickerVerified account ‏@jobinpnews 8m8 minutes ago
Detective. Benzick: "Some of the most intense things I've seen in reviewing phones" #ArochiTrial

 

[SteveS]

But I wonder if they didn't even try in the hopes of an ineffective counsel appeal.

Given the defense's extremely aggressive and engaged defense every step of the way, there's no "ineffective counsel" appeal coming. Seriously. You can't be great 99% of the trial, and then "tank" it for a bit, and use that to claim you need a do-over. Any judge good enough to be on the appeals court would laugh such a claim out of court. The problem wasn't in his lawyers, but rather in the defendant and what he had done, and no attorney can make chicken soup out of such chicken "spit." (Nor can you call mitigating witnesses when no one wants to be that witness.)

More generally, those attorneys were pretty much dead in the water before they started. Once they got the case, all they could do was try to talk a good game and put some positive spin on this impossible case, and hope for a miracle. So many proofs that he was the one who did this, from him being the last person she was seen with, to his lies about where he went and she went from there, to lying about her getting in his car or even being near it ever, the pings and toll records, the telling damage to himself and his car, and the DNA that showed he put her IN HIS TRUNK. The only better defense imo would have been to try to plea down the case early with a combination confession/location/remorse and try to mitigate damages to a degree ...and he was too stunningly stupid to consider that, choosing to instead go on TV to talk to the whole county and tell more lies about what happened that night, words that the evidence easily showed were lies, and lies told from a setting of his own choosing and with time to carefully consider them.

 

[CountingCrows]

I am not convinced that illegality of EA's actions with a 16-yo is sufficient to label him as a MONSTER. Law is created by very smart men, and I am sure the intent here is to protect an underage girl from a 40-yo pedophile's grooming -- not to punish people at some age group going at it. This 16-yo story has been blown too out-of-proportion imo.

When I was researching JLC, I found out that almost half of Courtland, Mississippi was sex offenders. It turned out that they were convicted 20 years ago when they were 15-17. And at that town, at 15 everybody was already doing it with everyone.

Your theory that EA preyed on her and raped her because he was a "sex criminal" sleeping with a 16-yo.... I hope not many are living unmarried in Idaho, Illinois, Minnessota, Massachusetts, South Carolina or Utah and praying on opposite sex, regardless of age. Fornication is still a criminal act punishable by law in these states.

There are indeed many tweets (at least 9, by my count) that tell us of testimony that EA lied to Smith about his age, which you didn't mention of course. (EA knew he was a sex criminal, at that time. His intentional lies make that clear, that he knew the law about ages and sex. He lied on both ends of the equation, to her and her parents about his age telling them he was 19 which would make it legal, and to his parents about her age telling them she was 17 which would make it legal, so no one would know what he clearly knew and tried to hide from everyone - he was a 22-year old having illegal sex with a 16-year old teenager. His lies to all show he knew it was illegal, but no one else did, because he hid the truth of their relative ages. And of course, in December, it will be an another easy case for the state to win.)
But no tweets that she lied. She was lied to. Not lying. Here are ALL the age-related tweets you posted in this forum that I can find, from yesterday's testimony.
(PS - You condone and excuse EA's behavior over and over, so below I have added tweets from the same context, so you can see your boy in all his splendor doing his thing that sadly led him to CM, abusing and preying on women)

 

[CountingCrows]

Ref 2, My take on it is on previous post.

Ref 3, I read here on tweets. I very clearly remember bedroom/coach on the same sentence. Will check to quote.

Ref 5, choking implies impending death. This is not at the same level as domestic abuse at all. It does not make sense to stick 5 months to be subjected to this if it was not reciprocatory.

2 - He was 22 and he lied to her about his age, telling her he was 19. She was 16 and he lied to his parents, telling them she was 17. We don't know that she lied about her age, only that she didn't correct his parents on her birthday. It is illegal for an adult to have sex with someone that is 16 or younger in Texas.

3 - I never heard that she wanted to do it in the bedroom. Where did that come from?

5 - We don't know if it was consensual and she was 16. This is the same argument used to defend domestic abusers.

 

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I am not convinced that illegality of EA's actions with a 16-yo is sufficient to label him as a MONSTER. Law is created by very smart men, and I am sure the intent here is to protect an underage girl from a 40-yo pedophile's grooming -- not to punish people at some age group going at it. This 16-yo story has been blown too out-of-proportion imo.

When I was researching JLC, I found out that almost half of Courtland, Mississippi was sex offenders. It turned out that they were convicted 20 years ago when they were 15-17. And at that town, at 15 everybody was already doing it with everyone.

Your theory that EA preyed on her and raped her because he was a "sex criminal" sleeping with a 16-yo.... I hope not many are living unmarried in Idaho, Illinois, Minnessota, Massachusetts, South Carolina or Utah and praying on opposite sex, regardless of age. Fornication is still a criminal act punishable by law in these states.

Fact is, it's illegal & Arochi knew it, otherwise he would not of lied about his age. Right or wrong (depending on your take on it) it's ILLEGAL.There is a reason for the term "jailbait". When I was 21-22, there is NO WAY I would have hit on a 15-16 year old for sex.. that's just plain wrong.