UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

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No proof his phone started moving other than the BM ping at 0450.



CoverMeCagney said:
I spotted this, I guess she meant to say "left BSE". Hmmm.

We originally thought the bin lorry arrived at 4ish but now know it was actually nearly an hour after Corrie was in the area. The fact his phone started moving at the same time as the lorry definitely seems to suggest it was on board, but I think Corrie was long gone by then, either upstairs partying at no26 or away in a vehicle. I was a bit alarmed to read the accom up there has not been forensically searched. He could have bee lying dead up there for hours before a car was brought to remove him, probably in the middle of the night on Sat night as daylight would be too risky - have cameras been checked for then??

Also can police find out about all other calls made in that area i the early hours? I can't imagine there'd be too many people phoning each other that early. I'm sure these things are find out-able..
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PilgrimsPrayer said:
To put it bluntly, somebody show me a statement confirming the last BSE ping.
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I honestly think that this is being lost in translation and untruths through miseducation by the press releases. Who would in their right mind would state '28 minutes' or 'only the speed of a vehicle' or 'phone App updates tracked the phones movements towards' unless they weren't worked out beforehand?

The 'in between phone pings' stuff and 'mast radii' followed by 'air density transmissions' is slowing down a really simple equation in my honest opinion. 28 mins is from BSE central to BM roundabout. There are masts at those locations. You can't get a better signal strength than than. The guy was practically stood under the mast at 0308 (100 yards from it?)
Granted this topic is heated and I genuinely and honestly welcome more debate on it. It's really important in my mind. We seem to have very few people who can nail this down. It's the difference between Corrie's phone being dumped in the bin lorry potentially suggesting robbery or intentional AWOL...or staying on him and Misadventure caused by drowning, accident or murder by third party involvement.
It's that important to me as I'm sure it is others.
Never leave a body on the field and all that shizzle! Let's bring the lad back!


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I'm going to stick to my guns and say that 28 minutes represents simply the time taken by the bin lorry to get from HS to the BM ping time (0450).
My point is that the two are not related, just coincidental.


MidsummersDay said:
I honestly think that this is being lost in translation and untruths through miseducation by the press releases. Who would in their right mind would state '28 minutes' or 'only the speed of a vehicle' or 'phone App updates tracked the phones movements towards' unless they weren't worked out beforehand?

The 'in between phone pings' stuff and 'mast radii' followed by 'air density transmissions' is slowing down a really simple equation in my honest opinion. 28 mins is from BSE central to BM roundabout. There are masts at those locations. You can't get a better signal strength than than. The guy was practically stood under the mast at 0308 (100 yards from it?)
Granted this topic is heated and I genuinely and honestly welcome more debate on it. It's really important in my mind. We seem to have very few people who can nail this down. It's the difference between Corrie's phone being dumped in the bin lorry potentially suggesting robbery or intentional AWOL...or staying on him and Misadventure caused by drowning, accident or murder by third party involvement.
It's that important to me as I'm sure it is others.
Never leave a body on the field and all that shizzle! Let's bring the lad back!


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PilgrimsPrayer said:
To put it bluntly, somebody show me a statement confirming the last BSE ping.
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How about the LE one ? 4.30 to 8.00 in the mildenhall area. Take off 26 mins travel time to get the BSE time = 4.04 say 4.00 a.m. . Also Nicola's two statements now where she has said 4.30 at BM. I don't think they are both "mispeaks". So that's 3 statements about the BM pong at 4.30. BSE data they have said they track the phone movements from 3.24 to 4.30 but they haven't ever specifically mentioned leaving BSE pong time I don't think they have anyway. That may be deliberate IDK.
 
Shiressleuth said:
TW update has the foot option as a possibility still, so yes it is possible in his and my opinion. I have always thought it was wrong to rule it out anyway.
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Last update on website 5/1/17 states only possible to leave by foot after 4pm. I think confusion comes in when you look at what is meant by 'horseshoe area'. The family are defining it as horseshoe and immediate vicinity not just the horseshoe itself.
 
PilgrimsPrayer said:
How can you measure when the phone left BSE central unless it is at the extremity of the mast radius and saying "goodbye" or that it took no more than 3 minutes to get to the extremity of the mast radius.

28 minutes is just the time from BM ping to HS departure.
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I suppose a network provider to speculate when the signal strength will fall off completely given the phone travelling on a vector?
...or the 28 minutes could be ANPR camera at BM roundabout that's not been announced (froidient slip?) from BSE central. I really don't see another explanation in my head yet for a journey to take that long from point A to point B.
Forget the mast area radii for the moment and look at the 'facts' presented loosely. Try to make them fit the scenario whether it's rightly or wrongly. The keys for me are the 'leaked' figures that appear to have NOT been plucked from thin air...
Keep going Pilgrim. We'll get there on this. It's good to contest theories. :)


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Clevercat said:
When MH370 went missing I got involved with a public satellite imagery search for wreckage through Tomnod. They run all kinds of search or mapping campaigns, sometimes looking for lone hikers lost in remote regions so I believe the technology is available to see quite small items. I don't know much about satellite technology or whether some have better capabilities than others, but when I messaged TW re this as a potential area to explore he seemed to think that the RAF had access to even better technology. Whether this can be obtained by outside agencies I have no idea.
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I just want to note that the context of the quoted post was in response to a question over whether or not skeletal remains might be visible (or in a ditch, or a well).

I've used Tomnod a few times. They get their imagery from DigitalGlobe, who are also supplying some of the Google images now. I think their public use images go down to about 2 metres/6 feet. But they, and similar satellite networks, should have better capability which is reserved for paying customers/military/intelligence services.

People mentioned Tomnod a few weeks after Corrie disappeared, but the thing with that is that the satellites have to be tasked to go to an area, and the public images are not usually night-time shots. The public images also have problems with cloud cover. So it can take several days to a week or more for them to get images in situations like MH370, and once they have the images they have to be processed and converted into a format that can be used for the online searching.

I have no idea what MIS will be doing to help with finding Corrie or if the satellite imagery is going to be part of what they can contribute. I would say that in some ways if they're looking for a body in a field that the time of year could be advantageous (bushes and plants will have been dying back rather than growing wildly as they would in late spring/summer). It's probably too late to do IR searches looking for decomp heat (I presume). Something like ground disturbance (they can tell from satellite images where field boundaries were hundreds of years ago) might show up? Another thing to look for is change in colour of flora in the vicinity as a decomposing body is going to release a huge amount of nutrients into an area...but how will the time of year affect that? Grass that's grown over an ad-hoc burial site might look a different colour, and they might be able to pick up on something like that.

So I can see MIS and the satellite side being a tool in a toolbox. I personally would have liked a behavioural analysis team on board as another part of the toolkit, and one that's more focused on civilian crime than on crimes of military/intelligence bearing, but I hope MIS will have those kind of specialists in their teams?
 
We may have to agree to disagree on the phone and perhaps the company hired will clarify it all? We do all agree the phone is important whether it is still with C or not. If it was unimportant then we wouldn't even be discussing it after all would we?
 
PilgrimsPrayer said:
I'm going to stick to my guns and say that 28 minutes represents simply the time taken by the bin lorry to get from HS to the BM ping time (0450).
My point is that the two are not related, just coincidental.
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BINGO!
...and that's my point! You stick to your guns. I'm agreeing with you that the 28 minutes represents simply the time taken by the PHONE to get from the 'Horseshoe' at 0423 (1 1/2 minutes tolerance of the bin wagon) to the BM 'ping time' (BM mast?) for 0450ish. Just add the 28 minutes travel time onto the 0423!
I think we have to accept that N is showing signs of stress and misquotes are starting to appear more regularly, as they have done from the start. I feel for her I really do. We are the only stability and constant that' has an unbiased bent at the moment (excluding the police). We have the man/woman power, the time, resources and unattached emotions. We're NOT afraid to address issues or propose theories that are really right or left wing. Clearly skill sets that the family or police don't have IMHO.

Look at the statement again and try to make it fit. Unless I'm absolutely barking up the wrong tree here and shouting 'wobble' with pens up my nostrils and underpants on my head...I feel sure we're nearly there!!
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LorriB said:
Last update on website 5/1/17 states only possible to leave by foot after 4pm. I think confusion comes in when you look at what is meant by 'horseshoe area'. The family are defining it as horseshoe and immediate vicinity not just the horseshoe itself.
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I'll have another read. If you can leave by foot after 4 p.m. why not before also I would ask? Also why all the searches then?
 
LorriB said:
Last update on website 5/1/17 states only possible to leave by foot after 4pm. I think confusion comes in when you look at what is meant by 'horseshoe area'. The family are defining it as horseshoe and immediate vicinity not just the horseshoe itself.
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I'm calling turtle dropping on the statement. There are still a number of CCTV footage individuals (6?) that have still to be identified three and a half months on!
JMO


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Miss_French said:
The RAF pay is monthly, you are paid during training, and living expenses are minimal and are deducted at source.

Corrie had joined up 3 years ago so he's had money going into his account all that time, so where's it all gone that this 'getting paid in a week's time' has been given so much emphasis by N? She almost makes it sound like it's his first pay packet.

OK, he's got nice threads, maybe paying his mum towards the phone and car, maybe wasn't thinking of going out cos he was a bit short, but if he's got some direct debits and can burn through his pay that fast I don't see that waiting 1 week more to do a runner is a possibility.
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That's not the way I understand Nicola's comment, I think she is just saying that it was nearly payday, like lots of us Corrie was short near the end of the month. I can't be the only one who's been invited out, thought I'd better not go as I need to be a bit careful with my remaining money until payday then thought, what the hell, I'll go anyway.

I'm surprised that this has become anything important, he's a young lad who pots a night out above sensible budgeting, that's not unusual is it?
 
Shiressleuth said:
I'll have another read. If you can leave by foot after 4 p.m. why not before also I would ask? Also why all the searches then?
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4pm is as far as they can go with the CCTV. They don't have the CCTV to check after that.
 
Shiressleuth said:
I'll have another read. If you can leave by foot after 4 p.m. why not before also I would ask? Also why all the searches then?
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Because pre 4pm is covered by CCTV- everything we have been told is that he can't leave the immediate vicinity without the cameras catching him. As we have no footage after 4pm no assertions can be made.

Of course this is going by what we have been told by the family about the cameras and how they have been tested. As the family haven't viewed the full CCTV this may not be 100% accurate (even a spider walking over a lense could change everything!). Working on what we know though, he couldn't leave on foot.

As for the searches- in my opinion they are looking for a body as they believe third party involvement.
 
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