Burke Ramsey Files 750 Million Dollar Lawsuit Against CBS

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Yes, thanks so much for that, otg.

I have to say that watching JJ is my passion, like a drug. I think I've only disagreed with her verdict twice in all the thousands of shows that I've watched over the years.

I like the way she can instantly sum somebody up. That's a gift. I wish all judges were just like her.

Anyway.....regarding JBR....I am not certain what JJ meant by this:

"Whatever I think you're going to find, you're going to find something within that household, and it may be different from the parents"
"I think that the country will be very -- might be very surprised. I certainly never got the sense that this was a -- based upon what I've read -- I've read most of the stuff that's come out -- that this was an intruder, a strange intruder. Whatever I think you're going to find, you're going to find something within that household, and it may be different from the parents."

Not an intruder. Different from the parents.
Equals - Burke, imo
 
no, she just missed a word, she meant, different to the parents version/story/allegations/testimony.

Judge talk.
 
I would like to know how much $$ Jonbenet has made her family, one way or another.
 
it means more if you read it in context:

KING: But you know about child abuse, and this was an -- ultimately, an abused child.
SHEINDLIN: I know about child abuse, and I know about parents protecting their children, and I know about what mothers will do in order to protect their children. I think that if the story is ever told about the death of that child, I think -- and this is just sheer fantasy on my part, which I am absolutely not going to share with you, Larry -- that I think that the country will be very -- might be very surprised. I certainly never got the sense that this was a -- based upon what I've read -- I've read most of the stuff that's come out -- that this was an intruder, a strange intruder. Whatever I think you're going to find, you're going to find something within that household, and it may be different from the parents.



JJ is basically saying, there was no intruder and parents are lying.

that's what she means by "different to the parents (story)". She missed off a word.

I rather doubt that Scheindlin misspoke. It appears to be logical and sequential thinking and syntax. Putting this all into context as above, she speaks about -
  • Mothers protecting their children: "I know about what mothers will do in order to protect their children"
  • Some will be surprised: "I think that the country will be very -- might be very surprised"
  • Not an intruder: "I certainly never got the sense that this was a -- based upon what I've read -- I've read most of the stuff that's come out -- that this was an intruder, a strange intruder."
  • Who it might be instead: "Whatever I think you're going to find, you're going to find something within that household, and it may be different from the parents.
 
(bbm)
Yes, thanks so much for that, otg.

I have to say that watching JJ is my passion, like a drug. I think I've only disagreed with her verdict twice in all the thousands of shows that I've watched over the years.

I like the way she can instantly sum somebody up. That's a gift. I wish all judges were just like her.

Anyway.....regarding JBR....I am not certain what JJ meant by this:

"Whatever I think you're going to find, you're going to find something within that household, and it may be different from the parents"
I agree that Sheindlin is pretty sharp about getting down to what is relevant quickly and seeing through the facades that people put up. I really don’t see why it’s difficult to understand what she was saying on LKL. She was obviously avoiding being too specific (as Kolar was in his book) because of concerns about actually making an accusation based on her opinion about who was responsible for JonBenet’s death (having no more information than what was made public at that time). The tabs understood what she meant and weren’t afraid of spelling it out (this was before they got sued for some of their stories about Burke). Did you read the articles from the tabs about her appearance which I included in my post? Again:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060812183700/http://www.joshua-7.com/jonbenet/03_16_99.htm


it means more if you read it in context:

KING: But you know about child abuse, and this was an -- ultimately, an abused child.
SHEINDLIN: I know about child abuse, and I know about parents protecting their children, and I know about what mothers will do in order to protect their children. I think that if the story is ever told about the death of that child, I think -- and this is just sheer fantasy on my part, which I am absolutely not going to share with you, Larry -- that I think that the country will be very -- might be very surprised. I certainly never got the sense that this was a -- based upon what I've read -- I've read most of the stuff that's come out -- that this was an intruder, a strange intruder. Whatever I think you're going to find, you're going to find something within that household, and it may be different from the parents.



JJ is basically saying, there was no intruder and parents are lying.

that's what she means by "different to the parents (story)". She missed off a word.
Sorry, Charlize (why do I feel like I’m about to do a tuna commercial), but I don’t think the word “story” is what she left unsaid. I do agree with you that it should be read in context and that the Ramseys are obviously lying about what happened, but she really couldn’t have been any more clear without actually stating Burke’s name (whether anyone chooses to agree with her or not). Here are some of the things she said (with her disclaimers removed for clarity):

I know about what mothers will do in order to protect their children.

Who would Patsy be doing things to protect? Certainly not JonBenet after she was dead.

I think that if the story is ever told about the death of that child, I think that the country might be very surprised.

Why would the country be “very surprised?” Many people already believed that either John or Patsy had killed her. Why would the country be very surprised “if the story is ever told?”


I certainly never got the sense that this was an intruder, a strange intruder.

This eliminates everyone in the world except the immediate family and maybe someone close to them (not a “strange intruder”).

Whatever I think you're going to find, you're going to find something within that household, and it may be different from the parents.

I think here she meant something -- some dynamic -- would be found “within that household” that caused JonBenet’s death. That something was the person responsible who is “different from the parents.”

If (according to JJ) it’s not an intruder and it’s not the parents, who does that leave? I’m not saying that JJ is an expert, and she doesn’t even have any inside information about this. I’m just passing on what she expressed as her opinion. (I do agree with her on this though.)
 
I interpreted her comments to mean that it was someone within the household but not necessarily the parents - ie Burke. She makes a point of what a mother will do to protect her child - and she's not saying Patsy protected JonBenet!
 
I interpreted her comments to mean that it was someone within the household but not necessarily the parents - ie Burke. She makes a point of what a mother will do to protect her child - and she's not saying Patsy protected JonBenet!

Agreed, not that it matters. Judge Judy is just another person who happens to think the same as a lot of us.
 
I interpreted her comments to mean that it was someone within the household but not necessarily the parents - ie Burke. She makes a point of what a mother will do to protect her child - and she's not saying Patsy protected JonBenet!

DrollForeignFaction,
Same here. Imagine Judge Judy arriving at a similar conclusion as that of many websleuths members?

I'll bet she watched Dr Phil's interviews with interest?

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I'm finally on the last episode of the CBS special, which is available here (Australia) on a streaming service. There's six episodes of 42 minutes each, so I'm pretty sure it's everything. I really can't remember what was in the shortened version, but there's quite a bit of chasing around trying to contact John and Burke, unsuccessfully. Patsy's friend, Judith also said that Patsy told her that Burke hit JB with the golf club in anger - I'm not sure I'd heard that before. The Ramseys said in their book that it was an accident, from memory. If you want to see it, try signing up here. It may not work - their system may be able to block non Australian users, but for A$10 per month, no contract, it might be worth doing.

www.stan.com.au
 
I'm finally on the last episode of the CBS special, which is available here (Australia) on a streaming service. There's six episodes of 42 minutes each, so I'm pretty sure it's everything. I really can't remember what was in the shortened version, but there's quite a bit of chasing around trying to contact John and Burke, unsuccessfully. Patsy's friend, Judith also said that Patsy told her that Burke hit JB with the golf club in anger - I'm not sure I'd heard that before. The Ramseys said in their book that it was an accident, from memory. If you want to see it, try signing up here. It may not work - their system may be able to block non Australian users, but for A$10 per month, no contract, it might be worth doing.

www.stan.com.au

Well Patsy was bound to say that it had been an accident. But was it? We'll probably never know.
 
Well Patsy was bound to say that it had been an accident. But was it? We'll probably never know.

Of course! I just hadn't heard anyone say with authority that it wasn't. I wish I could remember what the shortened version of the special said, so I could tell you what is extra!!
 
Of course! I just hadn't heard anyone say with authority that it wasn't. I wish I could remember what the shortened version of the special said, so I could tell you what is extra!!

It was in the shortened version because I remember it and haven't seen the longer version.
 
CBS 2
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Ramsey-CBS-Sept-18-2&p=12829093#post12829093


Clemente- "And how did he react to that? do you know?"
Judith- "I think he had.. Burke had a bad temper. It's like he had a chip on his shoulder. He had hit JonBenet."
Clemente- "When was that?"
Judith- "Before the murder I would have to say it was probably a year and a half they were playing in the yard and
apparently he hit her with a golf club. Right here.. *points to below the left eye*"
Clemente- "And how did you find out this?"
Judith- "Oh I think I asked Patsy at the time when I was photographing them, what the scar was. She said that
the kids were playing and Burke lost his temper and hit her with a golf club. After the murder I took my daughter
Lindsey and myself because Lindsey wanted to see Burke and they opened the door and escorted me into the living room
and Patsy came in. You know after talking to Patsy for about 10 minutes, I went to get my daughter and there was
Burke and I walked up to him and he said in this turse voice 'Get away from me! Don't touch me! Leave me alone!'
 
This picture might corroborate that:

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It appears to show a fading mark of a healed cut/wound under the left eye.
 

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Do you think that Burke was mentally sane? Not if you look at old videos. He looked cool and calm. Just repeating everything like a song. I don't think he was clever enough for this, no the patsygate here
 
my word yes. That's why I said I don't think he had all his marbles in place. He might have something to do with it = the fool. I have looked and read as much as possible around this case. Somewhere I read that someone pooed on her Christmas chocolates. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HIM. THEY BOTHHHHHH HAD THE WETTING AND POOING PROBLEMS. WHY? tHEY WERE VICTIMS OF THE PARENTS. BURKE PREFERS NOT TO REMEMBER IT IS EASIER.
 
Well Patsy was bound to say that it had been an accident. But was it? We'll probably never know.

In one of her first interviews Patsy says JB was hit both in the face and leg which always led me to believe it was on purpose. Kind of hard to hit someone twice accidentally.


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OTG, thank you for that JJ articles link. Very interesting tidbit in one article there about an email Burke wrote the night of murder? Never heard that before..
 
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