TX - League City - Audrey Lee Cook and Donna Prudhomme, in "killing field", 1986/1991

[watergirl62]

Is this girl ever considered for Jane Doe? http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jones_theresa.html As far as I can see she is not on the rule out list.

I have the eary feeling that she might have been "kept" for years (also explaining the big gap between missing and found date) and killed and dumped when she was "to old". She would have been 23 years in 1986.

Anybody sees also a link between the two unidentified victims? They both had healed ribfractures, but if you beleave in the theory that somebody "get rid" of them because they were aging that doesn't fit, because Janet is estimated 29 years....just rambling.....

I just wish there was an easy way to add pictures..there are a lot of pictures via the link

Here you go, Bit of hope.

 

[watergirl62]

Does anybody recall that Janet Doe had upper dentures, I thought I have read that somewhere but it is not in Namus?

Yes:

Dentals: Available. Upper dentures. Teeth 5, 6, 7, and 8 were a low quality denture and her overall dental condition was poor.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/52uftx.html

 

[Bit of hope]

Here you go, Bit of hope.

Thank you very much!

 

[Bit of hope]

I can not find it, but had Laura Miller also broken ribs when she was found?

 

[watergirl62]

Summary of this thread:

JANE DOE
https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/4477
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/35uftx.html


Possible matches listed in thread that have not been ruled out:

Theresa Vernell Jones - great find!! - Alvin TX is 12 miles from Calder Rd. in League City TX
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jones_theresa.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/32747/0/

Tammy Sue Clements
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28055/0/
http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/1245685/1

Janice Pockett
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pockett_janice.html
http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/923957/1


Exclusions:
Kimberly Doss 1966 Iowa
Laura Hernandez 1955 New Mexico
Carmen Hetrick 1956 Colorado
Judith ODonnell 1961 New York
Babette Phillips 1959 Louisiana
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia

also:
Peggy Houser (ID'd)
Roxanne Diehl (ID'd)
Rita Hughes (dates don't work)

 

[watergirl62]

Summary:

JANET DOE
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/52uftx.html
https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/3896


Possible matches listed in thread that have not been ruled out:

Stephanie Douglas
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19387/0/
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/douglas_stephanie.html

Dawnia Howard
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/howard_dawnia.html

Lisa White
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/white_lisa.html

Catherine Malcolmson
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/malcolmson_catherine.html

Tara Leigh Calico
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calico_tara.html


Exclusions:
Camora Grimes 1964 Texas
Hazel Klug 1962 Virginia
Babette Phillips 1959 Louisiana
Dorothy Richardson 1960 Texas
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Tiffany Sessions 1968 Florida

 

[watergirl62]

Jane Doe's thread (35UFTX)

CarlK is also working on Theresa Vernell Jones!! :bow:
How cool is that... AND a thread has been started for her.


Janet Doe's thread (52UFTX)

Parallel universes in the forums...
I found this thread first, but then found the individual threads last night after I put together the summaries. It's all good.
*jumps through the thinny*

 

[Bit of hope]

I submitted today
Mary Ann Bagenstose as a possible match for “killing fields”Jane Doe (Galveston County,Texas
21 to 29 year old White Female, found February 02, 1986)

Comparing the stats:
· Case Classification: Missing
· Missing Since: June5, 1984 UID found in 1986, probable year of death 1985– 1986 (post mortem interval months)
· Location Last Seen: West Willow, Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania Distance missing and found 23 hours
Physical Description
** Listed information is fromthe time of disappearance.
· Date of Birth: Unknown
· Age at Time ofDisappearance: 25 UID estimated to be between 21and 29 years and from other information ca. 25 years. Missing person would be26-27 yrs.
· Race: White UID white
· Gender: Female
· Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'5 UIDbetween 5’5” – 5’8”
· Weight at Time ofDisappearance: 125-130 lbs UID 140 -160 lbs
· Hair Color: Blonde UID light reddishblond on picture you can see that mp’s hair is reddish
· Eye Color: Unknown UID unknown
· Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Unknown
· DistinguishingMarks/Features: Mary Ann had a slight limp caused by a car accident when she was younger; wore a lift in oneshoe. Maybe she broke her ribs also
· Dentals:Available gap between first teeth ….UID gap betweenteeth….somewhat off centered, like the pictures/reproduction and drawingsof Jane Doe seems to have
· Fingerprints: Unknown
· DNA: Unknown
Clothing & Personal Items
· Clothing: Blue jeans, black t-shirt, brown sandals
· Jewelry: Unknown
· Additional Personal Items: Unknown

 

[Bit of hope]

I've got news from Mr. Michael Nance. Mary Ann Bagenstose is ruled out for Jane Doe. As he wrote me: both have DNA profiles completed at the University of North Texas Centerfor Human Identification (UNTCHI) with no association.

 

[Moonchime]

I submitted today
Mary Ann Bagenstose as a possible match for “killing fields”Jane Doe (Galveston County,Texas
21 to 29 year old White Female, found February 02, 1986)

Comparing the stats:
· Case Classification: Missing
· Missing Since: June5, 1984 UID found in 1986, probable year of death 1985– 1986 (post mortem interval months)
· Location Last Seen: West Willow, Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania Distance missing and found 23 hours
Physical Description
** Listed information is fromthe time of disappearance.
· Date of Birth: Unknown
· Age at Time ofDisappearance: 25 UID estimated to be between 21and 29 years and from other information ca. 25 years. Missing person would be26-27 yrs.
· Race: White UID white
· Gender: Female
· Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'5 UIDbetween 5’5” – 5’8”
· Weight at Time ofDisappearance: 125-130 lbs UID 140 -160 lbs
· Hair Color: Blonde UID light reddishblond on picture you can see that mp’s hair is reddish
· Eye Color: Unknown UID unknown
· Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Unknown
· DistinguishingMarks/Features: Mary Ann had a slight limp caused by a car accident when she was younger; wore a lift in oneshoe. Maybe she broke her ribs also
· Dentals:Available gap between first teeth ….UID gap betweenteeth….somewhat off centered, like the pictures/reproduction and drawingsof Jane Doe seems to have
· Fingerprints: Unknown
· DNA: Unknown
Clothing & Personal Items
· Clothing: Blue jeans, black t-shirt, brown sandals
· Jewelry: Unknown
· Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Wow! This looks just like Jane Doe! Great sleuthing, Bit if Hope.

 

[Moonchime]

I've got news from Mr. Michael Nance. Mary Ann Bagenstose is ruled out for Jane Doe. As he wrote me: both have DNA profiles completed at the University of North Texas Centerfor Human Identification (UNTCHI) with no association.

Darn! But, still some great sleuthing on your part.

 

[Bit of hope]

This is weird...I'm sure I posted here about submitting Linda Kay Caroll on 1-3-2017 to Mr. Nance for a possible match for Jane Doe and somebody else put the photo's of her and Linda... so again.
I wouldlike to submit Linda Kay Carroll as a possible match for “killing fields” JaneDoe (Galveston County, Texas
21 to 29 year old White Female, found February 02, 1986)

Comparingthe stats (she is not ruled out according to the list on NamUs):
· Case Classification: Missing
· Missing Since: September 24, 1984 UID found in 1986, probable year of death 1985 – 1986 (post morteminterval months)
· Location Last Seen: Linda was last seen in Crestview,Florida UID found in Texas, quite a long distance
Physical Description
· Date of Birth: march 10, 1960
· Age at Time of Disappearance: 24 to 24 years old UID estimated to be between 21 and 29 years and fromother information ca. 25 years. Missing person would be ca. 26 yrs. in 1986
· Race: White UIDwhite
· Gender: Female
· Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'2” –5’5” UID between 5’5” – 5’8”
· Weight at Time of Disappearance: 100 –120 lbs UID 140 -160 lbs (could have be gaining weight,but that would be a lot, we don’t know)
· Hair Color: blond/strawberry In thepictures it looks a kind of wavy. UID light reddishblond. MP: On some pictures you can see she has light reddish blond hair, onereconstruction with darker hair fits the picture of MP with darker hair.

· Eye Color: Green UID unknown
· Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Unknown
· Distinguishing Marks/Features: Scar onleft hip UID no scars mentioned, but as her body was nearly complete or completeskeleton, I don’t know if a scar could be noticed
· Dentals: gap between first teeth Dental information / charting iscurrently not available ….UID gap between teeth
· Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is currently notavailable
· DNA: Samples submitted - Tests not complete

 

[watergirl62]

You did. [emoji275]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105369

 

[Bit of hope]

You did. [emoji275]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105369

Aha...I understand now....this is another thread for both Janet and Jane "killing fields" doe's. Thanks Watergirl62....I thought "I lost it" :gaah:

 

[Bit of hope]

Just to show how complicated the DNA matching is in some cases, a mail from Michael Nance about it.

The relationship between NamUs and CODIS is confusing at best.

The FBI maintains the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS). Any CODISlab can submit DNA into CODIS. State law enforcement crime labs are CODIScertified and can enter DNA into CODIS. The University of North TexasCenter for Human Identification (UNTCHI) is the Texas State Crime Lab. UNTCHI also does DNA for missing and unidentified persons for any lawenforcement agency in the United States. Not everyone uses UNTCHIhowever. For example California, by state law, sends theirmissing/unidentified DNA to their California state crime lab. There areother agencies who use their own labs as well. Ultimately all DNA arrivesat national CODIS in Washington D.C.

UNTCHI and NamUs are both managed by the University of North TexasHealth Science Center. While NamUs advocates for and assists agencies tocollect DNA and to get it into CODIS, CODIS does not communicate back toNamUs. CODIS only reports back to the law enforcement agency submittingDNA of any association. If there is no association there is no reportback.

NamUs staff members at the University of North Texas Health Sciencecenter work to update NamUs with DNA profiles completed at UNTCHI. Oftenthis is not up to date or comprehensive. When there is an association andan identification made then those NamUs records are archived. It isalmost impossible to go into NamUs and manually complete DNA exclusions forevery permutation possible in NamUs’ MP and UP databases. Also withoutcomplete DNA information it would be foolhardy to make exclusions.

I hope that this helps to explain why so many NamUs records don’t havethese exclusions listed.

 

[lawandorder]

Has anyone thought to submit the DNA to Ancestry or FamilyTreeDNA or 23andme? That's how the genetic genealogist identified Lori Erica Ruff.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Tim Miller can find almost anyone. Can he find his daughter’s killer?

In 1984, Laura, 16, was abducted and murdered by an unknown assailant. Her death set Miller on a one-man crusade – organizing search parties, goading the police investigation, and working to solve not only Laura’s case but all cases of missing women in the area.

 

[Bit of hope]

Blurp...this case is frustrating me.....how many girls can there be -Caucasian with a gap between teeth- (I have dozens on file) fitting in the stats....

 

[tiffkinsadder]

This!

DO YOU KNOW THEM? League City cold case victims unveiled

 

[dotr]

DO YOU KNOW THEM? League City cold case victims unveiled

"Dec 10, 2018
Police in League City released new renderings of two females whose skeletal remains were found along the same road five years apart. The police department labeled the homicide victims as part of the Calder Road cold cases. According to police, one body was found on Feb. 2, 1986, and the other was found on Sept. 8, 1991. The image above shows the rendering of the 1986 victim on the left and the rendering of the 1991 victim on the right."