Found Deceased AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 *Arrest* #26

[Gunslinging Granny]

It appears LE searched some buildings on the property where Isabel was found on March 3. They must have interviewed the property owners caretaker too.

 

[EllieBee]

George Anthony thinks Casey gave Caylee something while she went out on that date with her new boyfriend and that's what killed Caylee. Casey could not afford a sitter, she had no money and could not go to her parents because she had that big fight with her mother they were mad at her. So I believe she was staying in her boyfriend's apartment and wanted to go out him and thus put Caylee to sleep with something. MOO

And personally, I think her BF and some of her friends (but probably not Amy) also knew CA was in the habit of drugging Caylee. I am not convinced she died in that trunk, but I do think she was placed there very shortly after.

 

[EllieBee]

It appears LE searched some buildings on the property where Isabel was found on March 3. They must have interviewed the property owners caretaker too.

I am just chompin at the bit to know what/who led them there.....

 

[nancydrew71]

LE hasn't revealed this info. We do know Becky's car left that morning as she drove to work.

Why do you think LE hasn't released that? I mean if Sergio did not leave then, it was someone else? ugh the mystery of it all. So long has past and no one knows anything.

 

[nancydrew71]

And personally, I think her BF and some of her friends (but probably not Amy) also knew CA was in the habit of drugging Caylee. I am not convinced she died in that trunk, but I do think she was placed there very shortly after.

This is so sad. When she was missing and thought to be taken by someone, I prayed so hard for her to be found. First time I ever prayed for a stranger, but she looked like and was closest in age to my granddaughter and it was just heartbreaking.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I am just chompin at the bit to know what/who led them there.....

IMO LE had believable tips or followed a car using surveillance videos around Tucson. '


The search team scoured the area on the northern side of Golf Links Road near South Swan Road, said Sgt. Maria Hawke, a Tucson police spokeswoman. The team comprised some 25 Tucson police officers and Pima County sheriff's deputies from the Rapid Response Team, and two K-9s.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/as-tips-keep-coming-police-end-up-scouring-areas-again/article_02d26325-2055-5801-8649-4f15b2313ff7.html


"They have been consistently re-searching areas as information has developed."
Some areas have been searched as many as four or five times, she said.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/as-tips-keep-coming-police-end-up-scouring-areas-again/article_02d26325-2055-5801-8649-4f15b2313ff7.html


Hawke said it is not the first time they've looked in the area near Golf Links and South Swan roads.
http://www.wafb.com/story/18427472/police-searching-wash-for-evidence-in-isabel-celis-case


"It was not a happenstance," he said. "There has been on going process of many searches, this was not a happenstance. I cannot get into any greater detail than that.”
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/35044194/major-development-in-isabel-celis-case

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

:bump: I thought there would have been an arrest by now. Hope this doesn't become a cold case Isabel deserves justice, and whoever is responsible should be :jail:

 

[Rosa913]

I am sure this case is going to be solved, the person who knows who killed Isabel is inside the family, that' s for sure. I hope the police and the detectives are able to do a very good job and the criminal is arrested soon...

 

[Noseagainsttheglass]

The search team scoured the area on the northern side of Golf Links Road near South Swan Road, said Sgt. Maria Hawke, a Tucson police spokeswoman. The team comprised some 25 Tucson police officers and Pima County sheriff's deputies from the Rapid Response Team, and two K-9s.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/as-tips-keep-coming-police-end-up-scouring-areas-again/article_02d26325-2055-5801-8649-4f15b2313ff7.html


"They have been consistently re-searching areas as information has developed."
Some areas have been searched as many as four or five times, she said.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/as-tips-keep-coming-police-end-up-scouring-areas-again/article_02d26325-2055-5801-8649-4f15b2313ff7.html


Hawke said it is not the first time they've looked in the area near Golf Links and South Swan roads.
http://www.wafb.com/story/18427472/police-searching-wash-for-evidence-in-isabel-celis-case


"It was not a happenstance," he said. "There has been on going process of many searches, this was not a happenstance. I cannot get into any greater detail than that.”
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/35044194/major-development-in-isabel-celis-case


This location is near the ball field that Isa was the night before she was reported missing. Maybe she didn't even come home that night?

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Yes.....maybe she didn't even come home that night.....hmmmm?

 

[Indy Anna]

I don't believe the COD for Isa was an OD of OTC meds. There was blood evidence found in and around the family home.

Police said they found what appeared to be blood on the bedroom floor of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl and dark stains on other items during a search at her home.

[...]

The reports show officers saw "apparent blood" on the floor of Isabel's room, the place her parents say she was last seen.

<snip> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/2...tains-found-in-missing-arizona-girl-room.html

Police reports show investigators found what appeared to be blood on the floor of the little girl's room, shoe prints, and a blood-stained shower curtain.

<snip> http://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/isabel-celis-timeline-from-disappearance-to-grim-discovery

IIRC, the blood was shown to belong to IC. Wasn't blood also found on or next to the video game in the boys' bedroom?

IF IC's death was caused by someone in the household, I could see this scenario: IC wanted to continue playing video games rather than go to bed. In anger, someone slapped her hard, causing her nose to bleed, and then dragged her into her bedroom where the person again hit her hard, resulting in her death (maybe the blow caused IC to hit her head on the bed). This is just speculation, but I do believe the blood evidence points to a violent death.

JMO (But I'm not thoroughly convinced this is the case)

 

[liz b.]

I don't believe the COD for Isa was an OD of OTC meds. There was blood evidence found in and around the family home.


<snip> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/2...tains-found-in-missing-arizona-girl-room.html


<snip> http://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/isabel-celis-timeline-from-disappearance-to-grim-discovery

IIRC, the blood was shown to belong to IC. Wasn't blood also found on or next to the video game in the boys' bedroom?

IF IC's death was caused by someone in the household, I could see this scenario: IC wanted to continue playing video games rather than go to bed. In anger, someone slapped her hard, causing her nose to bleed, and then dragged her into her bedroom where the person again hit her hard, resulting in her death (maybe the blow caused IC to hit her head on the bed). This is just speculation, but I do believe the blood evidence points to a violent death.

JMO (But I'm not thoroughly convinced this is the case)

I think she died following an altercation over the video controller. jmo.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I think she died following an altercation over the video controller. jmo.

VERY interesting! :thumb:

 

[minazoe]

I will only entertain the video controller theory if they find evidence of blunt trauma to the head. It would have to be, right?

Blunt trauma, hyoid (sic) bone in tact. Simple blunt trauma, free and clear head injury, no other broken,shattered bones, an injury sustained in a short but forceful fall against furniture, object or even the floor. If there is not damage to her poor little skull, this changes things, whereas damage to the skull only tells us that she had a trauma but does not point in any direction because bludgeoning is a common form of murder. But I say NO damage to her skull rules out household fight accident, yet she could have been beaten up or wrestled to death by a larger stronger brother, these things have happened..and this would move closer to the area of inappropriate violent behavior in the home. And depending on the age difference etc..could be murder.

If there was a freak accident and she fell from a bunk bed or was somehow impaled, why or how would you even try or begin to cover that up?

I also think something went down in that house, something that caused the child to bleed..or it could be her blood was there from some other innocent injury, like glass in her foot, foot injuries bleed like crazy.

Would love to know the reasons for child protective services visits to that home, would love to know what sent them to the location of her body. . if its near where she played baseball, that is very strange and since the search wasn't happenstance I will assume its more than a coincidence,

I mean it would be a place familiar to the parents and could be the first remote area that would come to mind if you wanted to look at the parents this would land in the "parents did it pile". Everything about this case lands in that pile, there is nothing at all that points decidedly away from them. Now her body is found in an area familiar to the parents.

the phone call that morning to the police haunts me and I cannot find a way to justify his tone and demeanor, no matter how I try to hear it, change the way Im hearing it...dissect it etc...the call tells the story.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It's been awhile, but I have a recollection of Mrs. Celis talking about struggling with Isabel at times when brushing the child's curly hair after she'd been in the shower. I wasn't sure whether she was talking in general terms or specifically about the night that the family had been to the ballpark. Everyone in the family needed a shower when they got home. I still can't help wondering if Becky was actually telling us (TV audience) about what had happened that night. I've always wondered if Becky struggled to brush/comb Isa's hair that night during which Isabel fell on the bathroom floor or hit her head on the tub and sustained a fatal head injury. :moo:

 

[Hazelnutty]

I remember Mrs. Celis talking about the braids & pony tails she did in Isabel's hair before bed that last night.

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[desertmama]

IMO LE had believable tips or followed a car using surveillance videos around Tucson. '


The search team scoured the area on the northern side of Golf Links Road near South Swan Road, said Sgt. Maria Hawke, a Tucson police spokeswoman. The team comprised some 25 Tucson police officers and Pima County sheriff's deputies from the Rapid Response Team, and two K-9s.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/as-tips-keep-coming-police-end-up-scouring-areas-again/article_02d26325-2055-5801-8649-4f15b2313ff7.html


"They have been consistently re-searching areas as information has developed."
Some areas have been searched as many as four or five times, she said.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/as-tips-keep-coming-police-end-up-scouring-areas-again/article_02d26325-2055-5801-8649-4f15b2313ff7.html


Hawke said it is not the first time they've looked in the area near Golf Links and South Swan roads.
http://www.wafb.com/story/18427472/police-searching-wash-for-evidence-in-isabel-celis-case


"It was not a happenstance," he said. "There has been on going process of many searches, this was not a happenstance. I cannot get into any greater detail than that.”
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/35044194/major-development-in-isabel-celis-case

Golf Links and Swan isn't a rural part of Pima County, though. Didn't they say she was found in a very rural area?

 

[Indy Anna]

I will only entertain the video controller theory if they find evidence of blunt trauma to the head. It would have to be, right?

Blunt trauma, hyoid (sic) bone in tact. Simple blunt trauma, free and clear head injury, no other broken,shattered bones, an injury sustained in a short but forceful fall against furniture, object or even the floor. If there is not damage to her poor little skull, this changes things, whereas damage to the skull only tells us that she had a trauma but does not point in any direction because bludgeoning is a common form of murder. But I say NO damage to her skull rules out household fight accident, yet she could have been beaten up or wrestled to death by a larger stronger brother, these things have happened..and this would move closer to the area of inappropriate violent behavior in the home. And depending on the age difference etc..could be murder.

If there was a freak accident and she fell from a bunk bed or was somehow impaled, why or how would you even try or begin to cover that up?

I also think something went down in that house, something that caused the child to bleed..or it could be her blood was there from some other innocent injury, like glass in her foot, foot injuries bleed like crazy.

Would love to know the reasons for child protective services visits to that home, would love to know what sent them to the location of her body. . if its near where she played baseball, that is very strange and since the search wasn't happenstance I will assume its more than a coincidence,

I mean it would be a place familiar to the parents and could be the first remote area that would come to mind if you wanted to look at the parents this would land in the "parents did it pile". Everything about this case lands in that pile, there is nothing at all that points decidedly away from them. Now her body is found in an area familiar to the parents.

the phone call that morning to the police haunts me and I cannot find a way to justify his tone and demeanor, no matter how I try to hear it, change the way Im hearing it...dissect it etc...the call tells the story.

I agree that it wasn't an accident. What parent is going to bury their child in the desert to cover up an accident? No matter how bad the child is injured, a parent would call 911 and hope against hope the child can be saved/revived. I don't think the person who killed Isa intended for her to die, but he recognized that what he did was criminal. MOO

IMO, if someone in the household is involved, it's not another child. But, I think LE were hoping one of the children had seen or heard something in their room that night. Someone besides the person who assaulted Isa must have known something about what happened, though, since someone was able to direct LE to the approximate location of Isa's body. MOO :moo:

 

[rashomon]

Golf Links and Swan isn't a rural part of Pima County, though. Didn't they say she was found in a very rural area?

Yes.

The words used were "rural" and "remote" [bolding mine]:

Today, the Tucson Police Department held a press conference to announce that the body of Isabel Celis was discovered found in rural Pima County. The discovery was described as being “not a result of happenstance.”

Earlier this month, human remains were recovered from a remote area in Pima County. A portion of those remains were sent to an independent lab for DNA analysis. The results of the DNA analysis confirmed the remains to be that of Isabel.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com...tle-isabel-celis-found-in-pima-county-desert/


This article uses the term "desert":

Magnus released few details about the recovery of the girl’s remains, saying an investigation is ongoing. He wouldn’t say how long the remains may have been in the desert or what caused Celis’ death.

https://apnews.com/1a65b811e87942f0a5f1849594c418d2

 

[minazoe]

Since she was not in the shower curtain,( the shower curtain or a shower curtain was found in a car, correct?) I wonder if she was found in a blanket or some kind of wrapping that could be traceable back to the home. Was clothing found? were shoes found? was her hair found? was it BRAIDED?
is there an obvious head injury according to the skull? are her bones intact? what would happen in the desert? coyotes? vultures? I hope there is something forensic.

someone needs to come forward and start telling the truth,