UK - Huge fire rips through Grenfell Tower, Latimer Road, White City, London, June 2017

[skibaboo]

Do you think the 6 confirmed fatalities are people that jumped?

There's going to be a lot more in there isn't there. This is truly horrible and one of my worst nightmares.

 

[dotr]

Awful.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3794912/london-fire-grenfell-tower-block-latimer-road-latest-news/

 

[missgulfsouth]

Daily Express‏Verified account @Daily_Express 1m1 minute ago

London fire: Jamie Oliver offers free food and shelter to families affected by Grenfell Tower blaze.

Jamie Oliver is wonderful.

 

[dotr]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...renfell-tower-fatalities-confirmed-residents/

• Grenfell Tower fire sees flames engulf 24-storey block
• Six fatalities confirmed, but police expect death toll to rise
• Trapped residents jump from upper floors and throw babies
• Twenty people in critical care as 74 taken to hospital
• 'The whole building has gone': Witnesses tell of horrific scenes
• Children and elderly among the missing after London fire
• 'Blitz spirit': Community centres overwhelmed with donations
• What caused the blaze? The theories fire chiefs will examine
• Residents claim safety warnings in 2014 'fell on deaf ears'
• Police number for concerned relatives: 0800 0961 233

In a sign of hope, survivors were still reportedly being pulled from the block nine hours after the blaze started.

As an investigation into the cause of the fire began, residents reported that fire alarms had not sounded and that they were told to "stay put" in their flats and "put a wet towel down by the door".

London Fire Commissioner Dany Cotton told reporters at the scene: "This is an unprecedented incident. In my 29 years of being a firefighter, I have never ever seen anything of this scale."

 

[SilkySifaka]

400-600 were in the building


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[MelmothTheLost]

There's a report that there are likely to be no survivors at all from the top three floors.

[h=1]'Nobody on the top three floors survived': Six dead and dozens missing as massive blaze 'sparked by faulty fridge'[/h]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4601902/Huge-inferno-West-London-tower-block.html

 

[skibaboo]

There's a report that there are likely to be no survivors at all from the top three floors.

[h=1]'Nobody on the top three floors survived': Six dead and dozens missing as massive blaze 'sparked by faulty fridge'[/h]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4601902/Huge-inferno-West-London-tower-block.html

I was just reading that. Floor plan at the DM link

 

[skibaboo]

If that is true there could potentially be 30+ on those top 3 floors

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If that is true there could potentially be 30+ on those top 3 floors

Assuming 2 people in a 1-bed flat and 4 people in a 2 bed flat, I'd say more likely 60 or more. In some poorer families the kids get the bedrooms and the parents sleep in the living room on a sofa bed.

 

[wfgodot]

Do you think the 6 confirmed fatalities are people that jumped?

snip

I think that's the case.

 

[wfgodot]

[video=youtube;KRBFMEgY4MQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRBFMEgY4MQ[/video]

 

[skibaboo]

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

"We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:"

"The Grenfell Action Group predict that it won’t be long before the words of this blog come back to haunt the KCTMO management and we will do everything in our power to ensure that those in authority know how long and how appallingly our landlord has ignored their responsibility to ensure the heath and safety of their tenants and leaseholders. They can’t say that they haven’t been warned!"

This was posted in November.

 

[wfgodot]

Mirror:

Tory minister warned against beefing up fire safety rules to
include sprinklers because it could discourage house building

 

[ScotAng]

Do you think the 6 confirmed fatalities are people that jumped?

There's going to be a lot more in there isn't there. This is truly horrible and one of my worst nightmares.

Judging from what's being said Skibs, seems to be the assumption at the minute. Search and recovery's not began yet. I believe the loss will be huge.

If eye witness accounts are accurate, from those on lowest floors talking on the news, they didn't witness a lot of people escaping.

A mother with 6 children, 2 missing. I can't find an MSM source apart from Stewart Perrie at Ladbible. He is a journalist, therefore I'd consider credible. I couldn't link when I first read about it this morning as I thought it rumour on a personal page. Some comments are despicable, best avoided.

http://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-new...ssing-in-london-fire-20170614?c=1497441554275

ETA: Also in The Mirror now. Man who spoke to Radio 4 in this link claims he saw many escape. Hope!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-six-escaped-21st-floor-10619972



Extra Edit: Mahad Egal- Chap who said his neighbour knocked his door to get out as his fridge had exploded, video in Mirror link.

 

[wfgodot]

I wonder if policy is not to announce deaths inside a structure until all bodies are removed.

 

[bluesneakers]

Mirror:

Tory minister warned against beefing up fire safety rules to
include sprinklers because it could discourage house building

Everything I want to say I have to say out loud, loudly. Can't say it here.

Former Housing Minister Brandon Lewis admitted fitting sprinklers saves lives, but said it was not the government's responsibility to insist on them

But five years later, Mr Lewis told MPs: "We believe that it is the responsibility of the fire industry, rather than the Government, to market fire sprinkler systems effectively and to encourage their wider installation."

Jesus wept.

 

[Jax49]

Apologies if posted already.

London fire: Baby caught after being 'dropped to safety from tower'


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40276194

A baby was caught by a member of the public after being dropped from a window as fire engulfed London's Grenfell Tower, a witness has said.

Samira Lamrani said she saw a woman gesturing to the crowd below that she was about to drop her baby from "the ninth or 10th floor" of the building.


A man ran forward and managed to catch the baby, she said.

 

[bluesneakers]

I wonder if policy is not to announce deaths inside a structure until all bodies are removed.

It might be. It would be terrible to hear the number go up five at a time or something. They do that during terrorist attacks and "Police reporting 10 dead" and then "Fifteen dead" and "Thirty dead." It's upsetting, and at this point can they even make a guess?

 

[ScotAng]

Everything I want to say I have to say out loud, loudly. Can't say it here.

Jesus wept.

I hear you. Plenty spleen being vented on SM about it. I'll say it though, he's a piece of chit of the highest order, and typical of many, not all, of that ilk.

 

[wfgodot]

It might be. It would be terrible to hear the number go up five at a time or something. They do that during terrorist attacks and "Police reporting 10 dead" and then "Fifteen dead" and "Thirty dead." It's upsetting, and at this point can they even make a guess?

I think all apartments have been cleared of the living -- the firefighters were inside the building from the moment they arrived (incredibly brave). They could make a guess -- but there's no compelling reason to number the dead at this time.
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