The Re-Ordered American Girl Doll..

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CoreyRocks said:
If they used things from the Molly doll ie tape, cord ... imho I believe they did, they would need to replace the torn apart one in case someone noticed it missing.
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Why not just let the torn doll be there and blame the small foreign faction for that too?
 
CoreyRocks said:
It is my understanding Pam took an entire car/trunk load of items from the house. She was not escorted around. They did give her police garb to wear so she would not be detected by outsiders. That is double weird.
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I think early on the local LEO was in shock and just as weirded out by the case as the American public was in that last week of Dec. They likely felt compelled to help anyway they could.
 
flgrl017 said:
Imo it looks like something a little boy may do.
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I so agree with this, but don't think that's why it was removed necessarily. i.e. I don't think the R's thought about the psychology of it, they just wanted it out of the house.. so they bundled it up with other stuff (maybe the golf clubs) and sent it with Pam.
 
Sorry if this has been brought up, but the tape that was found on her, some say duct tape. Could it have been gaff tape? Given that she was in pageants, I'm sure she had 'props' and gaff tape is what is normally used. One strip would be easy to be pulled off and used from something from a prop used. And a roll wouldn't be found.
 
kanzz said:
I so agree with this, but don't think that's why it was removed necessarily. i.e. I don't think the R's thought about the psychology of it, they just wanted it out of the house.. so they bundled it up with other stuff (maybe the golf clubs) and sent it with Pam.
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They never got John's golf bag - Pam was not allowed in the basement, thank goodness.
 
Kakidoll said:
Sorry if this has been brought up, but the tape that was found on her, some say duct tape. Could it have been gaff tape? Given that she was in pageants, I'm sure she had 'props' and gaff tape is what is normally used. One strip would be easy to be pulled off and used from something from a prop used. And a roll wouldn't be found.
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I suspect you're correct, Kakidoll. I think it was gaffer's tape (JMO), but I'm not sure why you think that would make a roll unlikely to be found.

I've never seen the exact type of tape disclosed, but I do remember that the piece of tape found on JonBenet was identified as being made by a company named Shurtape. The reason that "sticks out" (NPI) is the coincidental location of that company with another notoriously well-known poster (Hickory, NC). Here is some of the gaffer's tapes they currently manufacture:
https://www.shurtape.com/products/markets?t=528&f[0]=field_product_market_list:528
 
kanzz said:
I so agree with this, but don't think that's why it was removed necessarily. i.e. I don't think the R's thought about the psychology of it, they just wanted it out of the house.. so they bundled it up with other stuff (maybe the golf clubs) and sent it with Pam.
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That's a dangerous move. They would have no idea house close police would be watching her gather stuff. Or if police would go through her car and check everything she took just before she left.
 
In my opinion, the American Girl Doll(s) are key to figuring out the entire mystery to a reasonable degree.

However, whenever I post a paragraph it will not show and I am logged off. I wanted to comment more, but will try to do so and then copy and paste it here or in the "theory" thread which is in a sticky up top.
 
A friend of mine gets the dolls for her daughter. IIRC the dolls were on a subscription and auto billed monthly/shipped monthly. It may have been different then.

But yes, I agree the dolls are creepy. it's one reason I dislike them (and clowns too)

Two days ago someone paid their respects and put fresh magnolias on her grave. A tree nearby had wind chimes. There was also a weathered Barbie doll there.

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The dolls are not now and have never been 'on subscription'. They are however sold commercially (retail) and online these days not just as a catalogue item as in Jonbenet's day.
 
Wanted to put a link here to another thread where we talked about the doll, because toward the bottom of this page, and on the next page, I had posted pictures of my own purchased probably a year before JB's, and mine has the cord and the head off and stuffing so I don't know if seeing those pictures would help anyone but thought I'd link back to that in case. As I said it's bottom of the page and then onto the next page as well.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?83205-The-Re-Ordered-American-Girl-Doll/page4
 
There is an American Girl Doll shown in JBR's bedroom on the Media Thread (page 16) in the crime scene video from Radar Online @ 10:50. I'm not sure which doll it is - maybe Samantha?
 
pageantmom said:
Wanted to put a link here to another thread where we talked about the doll, because toward the bottom of this page, and on the next page, I had posted pictures of my own purchased probably a year before JB's, and mine has the cord and the head off and stuffing so I don't know if seeing those pictures would help anyone but thought I'd link back to that in case. As I said it's bottom of the page and then onto the next page as well.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?83205-The-Re-Ordered-American-Girl-Doll/page4
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Thank you for that link to the doll stuffing, it does photographically resemble the cotton material Patsy was questioned about.

Is there any link online to a picture of the wire found in the wine cellar? Could it be from Molly's eyeglasses?
 
sgrump said:
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The glasses in question have a 5 part metal frame - 2 ear rods, 2 circular lense holders and the middle nose bridge.

If an image of the mystery wire found nears the body ever surfaces this is for posterity...
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Thank you, sgrump, for contributing so much about the dolls. It brings up a couple of additional thoughts others can weave into their theories.

About seven years ago Tricia did a podcast in which she mentioned that a good source revealed an interesting facet of the crime scene: Very very good source told Tricia that JB's favorite dolls were put with her. Similar to Casey Anthony and the heart on the duct tape.
( http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Case-Heats-up!-Tricia-from-WS-weighs-in/page2 )

Another related thought to the placement of dolls is what poster cynic provided about the concept of undoing, as differentiated from staging. Much credit to cynic in his extensive post on FFJ - http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?10159-Who-was-doing-the-“Undoing-

Undoing represents a form of personation with more obvious meaning. Undoing frequently occurs at the crime scene when there is close association between the offender and the victim or when the victim represents someone of significance to the offender.

The following case exemplifies undoing. A son stabbed his mother to death during a fierce argument. After calming down, the son realized the full impact of his actions. First, he changed the victim’s bloodied shirt and then placed her body on the couch with her head on a pillow. He covered her with a blanket and folded her hands over her chest so she appeared to be sleeping peacefully. This behavior indicated his remorse by attempting to emotionally undo the murder. Other forms of undoing may include the offender’s washing up, cleaning the body, covering the victim’s face, or completely covering the body. The offender engages in these activities not because he is attempting to hide the victim but because he may be feeling some degree of remorse.

It may occur to others, as it struck me, that whoever placed her in the wine cellar was also responsible for placement of the dolls around her body. And further, it may represent an aspect of undoing, as described in cynic’s post.
 
Hi Sgrump, thanks for the pic of the doll glasses!

IIRC there has been a discussion of the "mystery wire" in the JBR threads here within this calendar yr. And yes a small photo of the wire. It might have been near the discussions about the type of knot used in the garrote. I just feel sure the wire pic is here somewhere, but my searching skills are not good enough to find it. Give it a couple of days, someone will remember where it is.

thanks again
 
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