NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #1

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cady said:
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Thanks. Of course I was wondering if the mass shooting was on the anniversary of his father's death, but was reaching too far for an "easy" answer.
 
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The most interesting thing that stood out to me about this article someone else posted (sorry, I don't remember who it was)

https://kdminer.com/news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-gunman-was-retired-and-had-no-criminal-r/

While Stephen Paddock appeared to have no criminal history, his father was a notorious bank robber, Eric Paddock confirmed to The Orlando Sentinel. Benjamin Hoskins Paddock tried to run down an FBI agent with his car in Las Vegas in 1960 and wound up on the agency's most wanted list after escaping from a federal prison in Texas in 1968, when Stephen Paddock was a teen.

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Makes me wonder if he idolized his dad, in a way and wanted to continue a legacy of chaos in Las Vegas
 
I think someone might have addressed this, but its my opinion (based on information from someone currently in Vegas at the same hotel lol) that the guy had a big corner suite. So, his room had multiple windows on 2 sides of the building. That is why the 2 windows are far apart. But, it wasn't 2 different rooms or 2 people involved.

Again, my opinion.
 
JMO

I have to wonder if some sort of mental illness was taking hold because from this article about his deceased father they do mention his father had been diagnosed as a psychopath which is a very serious illness if true. There is not really anything to back this up other than this report but if true then it may be something that can link mental illness to a direct blood relative of his.

I dont know much about mental illness but I think it can affect people later in life even if they did not have symptoms earlier in their life. Until something more concrete comes out IMO I am going to consider some sort of mental illness a possibility that may have contributed.

The other hint about it was the interview with the brother where he said something about "moving him". Like maybe they had to make all the arrangements. So wondering if he was losing his mental capacity.

I am also thinking he may have had a serious gambling problem and if mental illness was getting worse it may have put him over the edge to plan something like this.
Like was mentioned earlier maybe he went there with the plan to bet huge amounts and he would either win his money back or take revenge out on the casino and everyone else around him.

I guess we just have to wait until more is known about his motives.

Below is the article where we see them stating a diagnosis about the father.

"An FBI poster issued after the escape said Benjamin Hoskins Paddock had been "diagnosed as psychopathic" and should be considered "armed and very dangerous." He'd been serving a 20-year sentence for a string of bank robberies in Phoenix.

The elder Paddock remained on the lam for nearly a decade, living under an assumed name in Oregon. Investigators found him in 1978 after he attracted publicity for opening the state's first licensed bingo parlor. He died in 1998.

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https://kdminer.com/news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-gunman-was-retired-and-had-no-criminal-r/
 
I am always so astonished how in certain cases people are so quick to claim someone just HAS to be mentally ill? It's become way too common in "certain" cases and I'm honestly sick of it! He is a terrorist! Like any and all who came before him! There are no excuses and it is what he is! And like most of them... he was a coward and killed himself! It really is that simple.

My sister and brother-in-law were there and they will never be the same. Last night while frantically trying to get a hold of them, I had their children! I tried with everything I had in my body to remain calm for them. It was their first time being away as a married couple (even though it was for work) in 23 years! Today they are standing in line to donate blood (especially since my sister is 0 negative).

I really wish people would stop making excuses for these monsters. That is what they are. Monsters.
 
Just jumping in randomly

I got married in Las Vegas on Halloween 2015. During our wedding dinner, my sister and I went to the ladies room and realised the fire/smoke alarms were sounding. We were in a restaurant in a casino idk which one. Anyway, we couldn't even hear the alarms in other areas and only a couple other people seemed to notice. Pretty much everyone just walked around like nothing was going on, including employees. It occurred to me there how scary and awful something tragic could be compounded by that kind of thing. Also, while we were there I kept thinking about anything that could go wrong and how crazy it would get, like if we all would have had to evacuate from our tall hotel. I was also glad that the balcony doors didn't have locks, because I was scared about that.

I'm a small town girl, big cities freak me out. This shooting is so frightening I'm still processing.
 
LolaMoon08 said:
I am always so astonished how in certain cases people are so quick to claim someone just HAS to be mentally ill? It's become way too common in "certain" cases and I'm honestly sick of it! He is a terrorist! Like any and all who came before him! There are no excuses and it is what he is! And like most of them... he was a coward and killed himself! It really is that simple.

My sister and brother-in-law were there and they will never be the same. Last night while frantically trying to get a hold of them, I had their children! I tried with everything I had in my body to remain calm for them. It was their first time being away as a married couple (even though it was for work) in 23 years! Today they are standing in line to donate blood (especially since my sister is 0 negative).

I really wish people would stop making excuses for these monsters. That is what they are. Monsters.
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Some mental illnesses can make someone a monster. It's not an excuse.

I'm not saying one way or another if this shooter was mentally ill, by the way. I don't think we know enough at this point to tell.

jmopinion
 
tiffay01 said:
Just wanted to say thanks for the thoughts and prayers. Our friend is in ICU she was shot in the head and they are unsure if she will pull through.
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I am so, so sorry :(. I will pray for her right now.
 
Just my 2c. I don't think he had a gambling addiction. He is described as a professional gambler. He was also an accountant by trade. I'm just not buying the gambling angle.
 
LolaMoon08 said:
I am always so astonished how in certain cases people are so quick to claim someone just HAS to be mentally ill? It's become way too common in "certain" cases and I'm honestly sick of it! He is a terrorist! Like any and all who came before him! There are no excuses and it is what he is! And like most of them... he was a coward and killed himself! It really is that simple.

My sister and brother-in-law were there and they will never be the same. Last night while frantically trying to get a hold of them, I had their children! I tried with everything I had in my body to remain calm for them. It was their first time being away as a married couple (even though it was for work) in 23 years! Today they are standing in line to donate blood (especially since my sister is 0 negative).

I really wish people would stop making excuses for these monsters. That is what they are. Monsters.
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My heart goes out to your family, it must have been very nerve-wracking for you too, especially as you were caring for their children at the time.
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MB18901 said:
Just my 2c. I don't think he had a gambling addiction. He is described as a professional gambler. He was also an accountant by trade. I'm just not buying the gambling angle.
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At the moment, I'm with you.

I think any recent higher-than-normal stakes might have been because he knew this shooting was happening soon. He was going "all out" as he was about to end his life. Why hold back at the gambling table when it's about to all end anyway?

jmopinion, subject to change
 
flourish said:
Just jumping in randomly

I got married in Las Vegas on Halloween 2015. During our wedding dinner, my sister and I went to the ladies room and realised the fire/smoke alarms were sounding. We were in a restaurant in a casino idk which one. Anyway, we couldn't even hear the alarms in other areas and only a couple other people seemed to notice. Pretty much everyone just walked around like nothing was going on, including employees. It occurred to me there how scary and awful something tragic could be compounded by that kind of thing. Also, while we were there I kept thinking about anything that could go wrong and how crazy it would get, like if we all would have had to evacuate from our tall hotel. I was also glad that the balcony doors didn't have locks, because I was scared about that.

I'm a small town girl, big cities freak me out. This shooting is so frightening I'm still processing.
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I was recently at a casino in Atlantic City and this happened. I was inside a bar when it happened so we had to exit the bar eventually (nobody rushed), but everyone who was gambling just sat there in the casino, at the tables or slot machines, completely ignoring the alarm like it wasn't even going off. Some people were mildly curious, but nobody was scared. I found it very odd, but maybe it happens a lot??
 
Inthedetails said:
Some mental illnesses can make someone a monster. It's not an excuse.

I'm not saying one way or another if this shooter was mentally ill, by the way. I don't think we know enough at this point to tell.

jmopinion
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Agreed. Also, we often get caught up in the semantics . People get very upset as if citing the presence of Mental Illness excuses a monstrous act. It does not. It also does not mean that mental illness is not present.

If a person is experiencing homicidal ideation or suicidal ideation they are in need of psychiatric evaluation in a psych ER for possible admission. Also, if they experiencing these with a plan (with or without intent) they meet criteria to be involuntarily psychiatrically hospitalized for stabilization against their will.

I will say one thing. Not all people with mental illness are violent, quite the contrary actually. But some are. If you are functioning at optimal mental health, you do not stockpile ammunition , lay in wait , and execute innocent people from a hotel window. Does it mean that you "Didn't have control of what you were doing? " NOPE. You can know right from wrong and not care and still be mentally ill.

Further, that is why psychiatrists and psych ERS all over this nation have the legal right to involuntarily hospitalize you , and the criteria is Imminent Risk to Self Or Others.

That being said: LolaMoon. I am so sorry for what you are going through.
 
Antisocial personality disorder (being a sociopath or psychopath) is NOT a mental illness. It is a personality disorder. No amount of therapy or medication will treat someone with this. Please stop getting the two confused.
 
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