The case for murder, #2

[Carioca]

http://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...6/shaknai-deaths-mystery-coronado-california/

I haven't read the article yet, but from the first few paragraphs my first thought was... jury pool anyone? Imo, as always...

 

[coastal]

http://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...6/shaknai-deaths-mystery-coronado-california/

I haven't read the article yet, but from the first few paragraphs my first thought was... jury pool anyone? Imo, as always...

Hi Carioca! Hope you are well. Thank you for the link to the Town and Country article. I'm just starting to read it, and already the subtitle is interesting! From your link:

>>>snip

...Two bizarre deaths in 2011 rocked the community of Coronado, California and sent internet sleuths into a frenzy. Now a trial looms, but will justice be served?...

<<<snip

Internet sleuths = us? A frenzy? IDK about a frenzy...

Back to reading.

 

[GovtMule416]

Found this new evidence quite interesting:

A lawsuit filed in the death of 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau is making the case that her death was indeed a murder.

In a wrongful death lawsuit brought forth by Zahau's family, attorney Keith Greer said Sheriff's investigators incorrectly ruled Zahau's death as a suicide.

Rather, Greer said he believes the evidence points to the brother of Zahau's boyfriend, Adam Shacknai, who was staying at the guest house of where Zahau was found dead on July 13, 2011.&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;




http://www.10news.com/news/evidence...-zahau-disproves-suicide-family-attorney-says

 

[justice be served]

Found this new evidence quite interesting:

A lawsuit filed in the death of 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau is making the case that her death was indeed a murder.

In a wrongful death lawsuit brought forth by Zahau's family, attorney Keith Greer said Sheriff's investigators incorrectly ruled Zahau's death as a suicide.

Rather, Greer said he believes the evidence points to the brother of Zahau's boyfriend, Adam Shacknai, who was staying at the guest house of where Zahau was found dead on July 13, 2011.&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;




http://www.10news.com/news/evidence...-zahau-disproves-suicide-family-attorney-says

This story was carried on all of the major San Diego news channels. It is great to see that it remains a newsworthy and controversial death. If I am in town I will attend the trial for certain. I was impressed, in one broadcast I just saw, as always with the comments attributed to the Zahaus, and I am paraphrasing, that it is about the truth and not the money. That has always been the message and I commend the family on their principles. I hope the truth comes out.

 

[*Lash*]

Coronado Mansion Mystery: Attorney says evidence proves Zahau was killed

Posted: Nov 29, 2017

Snip-BBM:

Greer said the new evidence provided by expert witnesses from forensic pathologists to DNA and fingerprint experts pieced together a story that shows Adam Shacknai, the brother of Jonah Shacknai and the only person home at the time of Zahau’s death, was responsible.

From the handwriting on a mysterious note left behind to a disturbing conclusion by another expert that Zahau was first sexually assaulted with the handle of a steak knife before her death, as well as a suspicious lack of DNA and fingerprints at the scene, according to Greer, suggests potential evidence had been purposely wiped down.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/36948509/...urdered?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[*Lash*]

Found this new evidence quite interesting:

A lawsuit filed in the death of 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau is making the case that her death was indeed a murder.

In a wrongful death lawsuit brought forth by Zahau's family, attorney Keith Greer said Sheriff's investigators incorrectly ruled Zahau's death as a suicide.

Rather, Greer said he believes the evidence points to the brother of Zahau's boyfriend, Adam Shacknai, who was staying at the guest house of where Zahau was found dead on July 13, 2011.&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;


http://www.10news.com/news/evidence...-zahau-disproves-suicide-family-attorney-says

Thank you GovtMule416!

Snip-BBM

The attorney also said evidence on a bloody knife indicates it was used to sexually assault Zahau.

"I got almost nauseous, It's already heinous what happened here to be stripped naked, bound gagged … it's already terrible. It seemed like it couldn't get any more shocking. My stomach flipped," Greer said.

 

[*Lash*]

http://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...6/shaknai-deaths-mystery-coronado-california/

I haven't read the article yet, but from the first few paragraphs my first thought was... jury pool anyone? Imo, as always...

Thank you Caricoa!

Imo, extremely odd statement(s) Jonah Shacknai made to Dina after finding out about Rebecca's death!

Snip-

Jonah and Dina were at Max&#8217;s side when Adam called. Jonah left the room to take the call. When he returned, Dina says, he told her that Rebecca had killed herself, and then he pantomimed stabbing himself in the stomach. &#8220;Why?&#8221; Dina recalls asking. &#8220;Asian honor,&#8221; Jonah said.


When investigators from the San Diego County Sheriff&#8217;s Department came to interview Jonah at the hospital that afternoon, he said, &#8220;She comes from a true Asian background... they just look at things differently in terms of responsibility.&#8221;

 

[K_Z]

http://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...6/shaknai-deaths-mystery-coronado-california/

I haven't read the article yet, but from the first few paragraphs my first thought was... jury pool anyone? Imo, as always...

The author is Sean Elder. I suspect he is related to Lisa Elder Outhier, who was Dina's co-worker. Lisa Elder Outhier's husband, Craig Outhier, wrote the "Dina and Nina Spin" articles long ago in the Phoenix magazine.

Interesting that now Dina feels Rebecca had nothing to do with Max's death. How convenient.

 

[K_Z]

Found this new evidence quite interesting:

A lawsuit filed in the death of 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau is making the case that her death was indeed a murder.

In a wrongful death lawsuit brought forth by Zahau's family, attorney Keith Greer said Sheriff's investigators incorrectly ruled Zahau's death as a suicide.

Rather, Greer said he believes the evidence points to the brother of Zahau's boyfriend, Adam Shacknai, who was staying at the guest house of where Zahau was found dead on July 13, 2011.&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;




http://www.10news.com/news/evidence...-zahau-disproves-suicide-family-attorney-says

I wonder if the reason this evidence was just discovered has to do with the pace of discovery in the case? Why is this just being discovered 6 years later??

I think what Greer is referring to may be *microscopic* evidence of vaginal epithelium, or cervical or uterine menstrual tissue. Vaginal epithelium is different from skin cells. Here's some brief info from non-scholarly sites (lol!):

The vaginal epithelium is the tissue lining the inside of the vagina in humans and other animals. Like most other tissue, it has specialized structures and functions. Although not precisely the same as skin, it shares many characteristics with skin and connects with the skin at the entrance to the vagina. This lining is composed of cells with a unique structure. Doctors specializing in the female reproductive system can examine these cells for evidence of disease or infection that can affect the overall reproductive tract.

Epithelium is a kind of tissue found throughout the body, both internally and externally. Epidermis, or skin, is one kind of epithelium. Other kinds form the linings of blood vessels, intestines, and various other organs and orifices. Vaginal epithelium extends the length of the vagina, from its opening at the vulva to the cervix, where it is replaced by cervical and ovarian epithelium. These forms of epithelium have their own structure and functions, distinct from that of the vagina.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-vaginal-epithelium.htm

Menstrual blood is mainly composed of blood, old parts of uterine tissue, cells from the mucus lining of the vagina and bacteria making up the vaginal flora.
Menstrual blood is different from normal blood due to its composition and its physical properties.

Put another way, menstrual blood is blood mixed with secretions from the vagina and cervix, old cellular tissue, red blood cells and mucin. The composition of this mixture varies according to the various phases of menstruation which starts with an opaque liquid stage, followed by a thicker stage and then a clear liquid.

The content of menstrual blood varies from one woman to another, from one cycle to another and depends on the woman’s age. The thickness of the uterus will also have an effect on the content of menstrual blood.

Vaginal secretions that are present in menstrual blood are mostly made up of water and electrolytes such as Sodium or Potassium.

The various substances making up menstrual blood are found in a lower concentration than in ordinary blood, for example, there is more water, less iron and less haemoglobin. The pH level of menstrual blood is similar to that of ordinary blood (7,2).

The concentration of proteins, cholesterol and bilirubin are also lower than in ordinary blood.

Menstrual blood however does not contain elements that are necessary for coagulation and so therefore remains liquid and does not coagulate neither in the body, nor outside.The three elements necessary for coagulation are not present in menstrual blood (prothrombin, thrombin and fibrinogen). Menstrual blood contains many elements which keep the blood thin.

The number of blood platelets is also less than in ordinary blood. The thickness of menstrual blood varies from day to day, from one woman to another and according to the composition of the blood and the presence of mucin. Menstrual blood is generally thicker than water and ordinary blood.

The thickness of menstrual blood is also dependant on the quantity of cervical secretions.

https://www.plim.fr/en/content/19-about-menstrual-blood

Also, remember that the narrative and documentation in RZ's autopsy regarding genital/ sexual assault exam was severely lacking in thoroughness, given the circumstances of her death and investigation at the time, IMO. There was not even a mention of the condition of her cervix-- whether it was parous or non parous (indicating childbirth), or traumatic/ atraumatic. There was an "assumption" that she had intra cycle spotting from her IUD, or that she was on her menses, which caused the droplets of blood in the shower, etc. There was not enough "exam" done and documented in her autopsy, IMO, to rule that in, or rule out anything else that could have caused the vaginal bleeding.

Anyway, the new knife evidence is interesting, and relevant.

Is this the same knife that was presumed to have cut the rope? The news article says "steak knife". Do we know where this was found?

 

[Lilibet]

Very interesting....

Nor does she [Dina] believe that Rebecca killed herself or that Adam was responsible. Rebecca&#8217;s death, she says, was the result of what attorney Anne Bremner called &#8220;rage and planning,&#8221; and there is no evidence that Adam knew her well enough to hate her. For her part, Nina wonders, &#8220;Does Adam know more than he&#8217;s saying? I just don&#8217;t know.&#8221;

http://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...6/shaknai-deaths-mystery-coronado-california/

 

[Betty P]

I wonder if the reason this evidence was just discovered has to do with the pace of discovery in the case? Why is this just being discovered 6 years later??

I think what Greer is referring to may be *microscopic* evidence of vaginal epithelium, or cervical or uterine menstrual tissue. Vaginal epithelium is different from skin cells. Here's some brief info from non-scholarly sites (lol!):



http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-vaginal-epithelium.htm



https://www.plim.fr/en/content/19-about-menstrual-blood

Also, remember that the narrative and documentation in RZ's autopsy regarding genital/ sexual assault exam was severely lacking in thoroughness, given the circumstances of her death and investigation at the time, IMO. There was not even a mention of the condition of her cervix-- whether it was parous or non parous (indicating childbirth), or traumatic/ atraumatic. There was an "assumption" that she had intra cycle spotting from her IUD, or that she was on her menses, which caused the droplets of blood in the shower, etc. There was not enough "exam" done and documented in her autopsy, IMO, to rule that in, or rule out anything else that could have caused the vaginal bleeding.

Anyway, the new knife evidence is interesting, and relevant.

Is this the same knife that was presumed to have cut the rope? The news article says "steak knife". Do we know where this was found?

Thanks for this information K_Z. Its very relevant. Recall the untested blood in the shower and also on the floor in the hallway. Basic rule of thumb in investigating murder/ suicide is to always investigate any blood, hair etc. that is found any distance away from the victim's body. It's a red flag indicating possible assault that took place prior to the "suicide".

There's a lot to read in these articles and I haven't finished yet. Dina's quotes seem suspicious, as usual. Is she trying to throw out a "red herring" or two to taint the jury pool? I'd not be surprised if the Shacknais and Romanos closed ranks in a strategy to get Adam off the hook. Jonah faces zero risk of negative repercussions if Dina decides to drop hints that he was involved in RZ's killing. He has enough political clout to remain out of the reach of LE. Who knows, maybe Dina is doing it in exchange for extra cash from Jonah. That said, I've always been of the opinion the Jonah was somehow involved in her death, probably assisting Adam in the planning and cover up. I still think Pfingst or someone similar was there to see to the scrubbing of evidence from the crime scene. All JMO.

ETA: Thanks to all of you for posting these links!

 

[coastal]

Found this new evidence quite interesting:

A lawsuit filed in the death of 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau is making the case that her death was indeed a murder.

In a wrongful death lawsuit brought forth by Zahau's family, attorney Keith Greer said Sheriff's investigators incorrectly ruled Zahau's death as a suicide.

Rather, Greer said he believes the evidence points to the brother of Zahau's boyfriend, Adam Shacknai, who was staying at the guest house of where Zahau was found dead on July 13, 2011.&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;


http://www.10news.com/news/evidence...-zahau-disproves-suicide-family-attorney-says

From your link:

>>>snip

...When asked about the recent documents filed in court, a spokesperson for the Sheriff's Department said they are looking into it. The department will release an official comment once they have time to review the information...

<<<snip
Holding my breath i anticipation...

 

[Imp]

From your link:

>>>snip

...When asked about the recent documents filed in court, a spokesperson for the Sheriff's Department said they are looking into it. The department will release an official comment once they have time to review the information...

<<<snip
Holding my breath i anticipation...

The sheriff's department needs to just zip it unless they're prepared to explain why they beclowned themselves in their "death investigation" of Rebecca. Otherwise, they should continue to hide in shame.

 

[*Lash*]

I wonder if the reason this evidence was just discovered has to do with the pace of discovery in the case? Why is this just being discovered 6 years later??

I think what Greer is referring to may be *microscopic* evidence of vaginal epithelium, or cervical or uterine menstrual tissue. Vaginal epithelium is different from skin cells. Here's some brief info from non-scholarly sites (lol!):



http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-vaginal-epithelium.htm



https://www.plim.fr/en/content/19-about-menstrual-blood

Also, remember that the narrative and documentation in RZ's autopsy regarding genital/ sexual assault exam was severely lacking in thoroughness, given the circumstances of her death and investigation at the time, IMO. There was not even a mention of the condition of her cervix-- whether it was parous or non parous (indicating childbirth), or traumatic/ atraumatic. There was an "assumption" that she had intra cycle spotting from her IUD, or that she was on her menses, which caused the droplets of blood in the shower, etc. There was not enough "exam" done and documented in her autopsy, IMO, to rule that in, or rule out anything else that could have caused the vaginal bleeding.

Anyway, the new knife evidence is interesting, and relevant.

Is this the same knife that was presumed to have cut the rope? The news article says "steak knife". Do we know where this was found?

BBM-

Still unsure which knife, this article gives a little more detail.

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In court documents filed by Greer, experts stated Zahau’s DNA was found all over the handle of a steak knife. The original investigation confirmed that Zahau's blood was on the handle. A later investigation determined it was Zahau's menstrual blood, Greer said.

“She was violated by the handle of the knife that was inserted into her,” the attorney alleged.

http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/11/28/...-evidence-disproves-coronado-mansion-suicide/

 

[*Lash*]

[video=YouTube;sjIt6Wt-H0o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjIt6Wt-H0o[/video]

 

[Morag]

Occam’s Razor?

 

[Tricia]

Dr. Lillian Glass is going to be on Websleuths Radio at 8:00 PM EASTERN tonight. in about 10 minutes.

Dr. Glass will talk about her special tomorrow night on I.D. about Rebecca's case.

Join us and listen live or listen later. The link works for either. http://tobtr.com/s/10439761

 

[Betty P]

I wonder if the reason this evidence was just discovered has to do with the pace of discovery in the case? Why is this just being discovered 6 years later??

I think what Greer is referring to may be *microscopic* evidence of vaginal epithelium, or cervical or uterine menstrual tissue. Vaginal epithelium is different from skin cells. Here's some brief info from non-scholarly sites (lol!):



http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-vaginal-epithelium.htm



https://www.plim.fr/en/content/19-about-menstrual-blood

Also, remember that the narrative and documentation in RZ's autopsy regarding genital/ sexual assault exam was severely lacking in thoroughness, given the circumstances of her death and investigation at the time, IMO. There was not even a mention of the condition of her cervix-- whether it was parous or non parous (indicating childbirth), or traumatic/ atraumatic. There was an "assumption" that she had intra cycle spotting from her IUD, or that she was on her menses, which caused the droplets of blood in the shower, etc. There was not enough "exam" done and documented in her autopsy, IMO, to rule that in, or rule out anything else that could have caused the vaginal bleeding.

Anyway, the new knife evidence is interesting, and relevant.

Is this the same knife that was presumed to have cut the rope? The news article says "steak knife". Do we know where this was found?

Recall there were two knives found at the crime scene, which never made sense in light of declaring it a suicide. You can see a steak knife in the photo below and nearby a larger chef's knife. In between them is a used sheet of fabric softener.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz8671.jpg

I want to go back and look at the types of gloves found at the crime scene. There were a few different ones.

 

[Waitaminute]

I remember early on how it was said there were no signs of a sexual assault, but now we have pinched nipples and a steak knife inserted. It was said there was no prints on the knife, but there's vaginal material? seriously? funny thing, I thought that might have been mentioned. no dna on the knife but Rebecca's. but it sure as hell didn't say no dna except that of Rebecca's vagina. and if there are no prints on the knife, how did it get into Rebecca's privates? via dryer sheet?

 

[Waitaminute]

I'm just disgusted with this investigation all over again!