CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[mtnlites]

I'm still seeing kidnapping here since all of the adult children were held against their will or their will had been stripped from them. It's kidnapped victims in my book! And they took their kidnapped adult victims across state lines which makes it federal.

Technically, kidnapping is taking someone from Point A to Point B, usually by force. The parents didn't capture or seize the children but, rather, prohibited them from leaving the location from which they already resided. This would be false imprisonment or holding them against their will. They have to use the charges that are most fitting to the situation or else there won't be any chance of getting a conviction.

 

[KaaBoom]

Can somebody explain what assisted living consists of? When i first read it i immediately thought it was the equivalent to our supported living over here in the UK. I've managed a few supported living schemes and thought it would be a marvellous idea for the adults and in taking their first steps to normality.

Over here Supported living schemes consist of a house or unit where individuals can be supported to learn the necessary skills for daily living - help with meal planning, cooking skills, managing personal hygiene, cleaning, travel training, budgetting etc. Individuals have their own rooms for private space and communal areas. Staff are on hand the majority of the time if not 24/7 and service users have designated 1:1 time for focussed suppirt on areas identified in their individual care plans. In addition other professionals such as counsellors, medical professionals etc can readily come in amd work with the individuals as requested.

Normally supported living is the second step in becoming independent. The first being residential care (where people are unable to undertake any independent living themselves or have very veru few skills) and the last step being outreach where individuals move in to their own accommodation and recieve a set amount of hours support each week to work on the few areas they may still have trouble with.

If assisted living in the US is in any way similar i think its a great idea. It shows hope that the older children have some skills or the capacity to learn the skills required needed for living independntly at some point in the future and enables them to learn these skills in a safe environement with dedicated support tailored to their individual needs

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An assisted living facility is a nursing home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_home_care_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

[sar2them1984]

I think, no matter what arrangements are put into place it is in the best ibterests of the authorities to sustain and nurture that relationship which the siblings have. After all they've lost their parents now (i use that term VERY loosely but a parent is a parent and if their behaviours are all you've known I'm pretty sure you would still love and miss them, in the early days at least) and i can't see much progress being made if all ties between the rest of their family ceased too. I'm sure authorities would have thought if this.

On a completely different subject...family were reported to stay up all night and go to bed 4-5am. Shero escaped some time after that which leads me to believe rest of the house were in bed/asleep AND also that not all the children were chained up at the same time. I wonder what the "criteria" was that they used to determine who was and wasn't secured. If LT/DT felt there was a risk of any of them escaping they would have all been secured but it seems not -LE stated 3 at the time of the rescue. So why just 3?

Idk, im kind of rambling. I just don't get the logic

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[sar2them1984]

An assisted living facility is a nursing home. What you are describing sounds more like a halfway house. I would think something like that would be the next step.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_home_care_in_the_United_Kingdom

Halfway house? Thats for ex offenders/newly released from prison.

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[Jax49]

[FONT=&amp]"Nursing homes provide care for individuals who require a higher degree, or a greater frequency, of medical attention than those in assisted living."

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[/FONT]https://www.payingforseniorcare.com/assisted-living-vs-nursing-homes.html

 

[KaaBoom]

Halfway house? Thats for ex offenders/newly released from prison.

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Sorry, I deleted that part. You are right.

 

[Elley Mae]

I worked at nursing/assisted living facility. The assisted living wing was nice. Some single ppl and married couples. Some rooms were like small apartments with kitchens. There was also a buffet in the open area that served three meals for those that didn’t/couldn’t cook.
If they get into one that was similar to the one i worked at they will feel like they have their own place with friends and siblings close by, and their needs and wants will most likely be met.

 

[Lilibet]

An assisted living facility is a nursing home. What you are describing sounds more like a halfway house. I would think something like that would be the next step.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_home_care_in_the_United_Kingdom

Assisted living residents would argue that point with you. AL facilities are not the same as a nursing home. AL residents receive assistance with “activities of daily living” (ADLs) like med management (giving meds), shower set-up or actually assisting with showers, dressing, transfer, escort to meals and much more...all decided as part of a care plan and paid for according to level of help needed.

People who need more medical care than can legally be provided in assisted living will transfer to nursing homes. I have friends in both settings. One friend in AL will need memory care eventually, but can manage without too much assistance now, just med management. When he broke his leg in a fall, he spent two months in a nursing home before returning to AL. Our friend who lives in the nursing home was in AL, but he has MS and finally needed more help than AL is equipped to give.

 

[sar2them1984]

It is difficult with all the different terminology. Over her for instance we have nursing homes, residential homes, warden facilitated living, sheltered accommodation, supported living to name but a few.

Where they go hopefully there will be a good balamce and an holistic approach taken to ensure that they learn the necessary skills to become adults but that their spiritual, emotional and medical needs are met

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[enelram]

She might simply not have known that otherwise it wasn't a working phone. She might have assumed it worked just fine.

She might have seen 911 on the home phone or on the wall in the kitchen or some such thing. Maybe even at the Elvis show.

In some areas, the police or sheriff patrol cars have on the sides of cars somethink like, Need Help? Call 911 in
HUGE letters. Could have seen this in Las Vegas or on their trips.

 

[sar2them1984]

In some areas, the police or sheriff patrol cars have on the sides of cars somethink like, Need Help? Call 911 in
HUGE letters. Could have seen this in Las Vegas or on their trips.

Again, im UK based so may be different...

I've always got deactivated phoned knocking around my house as i upgrade yearly due to work. I've had a couple of close calls when one of my girls has gotten hold of one of them as when they are turned on (on certain phones) it comes up with "emergency calls only" and all you have to do is press the phone sign to ring emergency services - the number doesn't have to be inputted

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[KaaBoom]

Assisted living residents would argue that point with you. AL facilities are not the same as a nursing home. AL residents receive assistance with “activities of daily living” (ADLs) like med management (giving meds), shower set-up or actually assisting with showers, dressing, transfer, escort to meals and much more...all decided as part of a care plan and paid for according to level of help needed.

People who need more medical care than can legally be provided in assisted living will transfer to nursing homes. I have friends in both settings. One friend in AL will need memory care eventually, but can manage without too much assistance now, just med management. When he broke his leg in a fall, he spent two months in a nursing home before returning to AL. Our friend who lives in the nursing home was in AL, but he has MS and finally needed more help than AL is equipped to give.

I think the term "Nursing Home" seems to an obsolete word. A couple of Nursing Homes that my mother worked at many years ago, one is now called a Living Center, and the other a Healthcare Center. Evolution: Old People's Home / Old Folks Home > Nursing Home > Whatever they call them now. It's getting confusing.

 

[sar2them1984]

I think the term "Nursing Home" seems to an obsolete word. A couple of Nursing Homes that my mother worked at many years ago, one is now called a Living Center, and the other a Healthcare Center. Evolution: Old People's Home / Old Folks Home > Nursing Home > Whatever they call them now. It's getting confusing.

Social care is ever evolving and hence why so many different terminologies for very similar services

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[sar2them1984]

O/t i currently manage a home care company within the UK which was born in the USA. We are the only company to call our staff CAREGivers as opposed to carers which is the norm. Confuses the hell out of people!!

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[KaaBoom]

Again, im UK based so may be different...

I've always got deactivated phoned knocking around my house as i upgrade yearly due to work. I've had a couple of close calls when one of my girls has gotten hold of one of them as when they are turned on (on certain phones) it comes up with "emergency calls only" and all you have to do is press the phone sign to ring emergency services - the number doesn't have to be inputted

That sounds very convenient. I should try to charge up a couple of my old mobile phones and see what they do.

 

[KaaBoom]

O/t i currently manage a home care company within the UK which was born in the USA. We are the only company to call our staff CAREGivers as opposed to carers which is the norm. Confuses the hell out of people!!

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Through most of her career my mother's job title was Nurse's Aid. Sometime in the 1980s they changed it to Patient Caregiver.

 

[rpgman]

If they were planning on moving within days, who all were going to drive the 4 vehicles? Were they going to just leave one or two? Were they going to have a couple shipped to where they were going? Just curious....plus, wasn't one of the older children seen driving by a neighbor?

 

[her]

I agree, on both points. I don't think they could qualify for social security disability since they have never worked.

Disability qualifiers have nothing to do with if you worked or not,
they will all get Medicaid and use up all funds available to them then ssi.
Eta not ssdi but ssi

 

[KaaBoom]

If they were planning on moving within days, who all were going to drive the 4 vehicles? Were they going to just leave one or two? Were they going to have a couple shipped to where they were going? Just curious....plus, wasn't one of the older children seen driving by a neighbor?

In the past, they just left them behind.

 

[rpgman]

In the past, they just left them behind.

True I remember that, but these 3 cars plus the van seem to be in good condition. It was said that the truck that was left behind in TX was filled with trash.