Found Deceased CA - Blaze Bernstein, 19, Lake Forest, 2 Jan 2018 #7 *Arrest*

[PetDetective]

The girl in mission Viejo.


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Ok, I thought so.
Just to be clear, for those who are not locals, NB is about a 20 minute drive from Lake Forest/Foothill Ranch/Mission Viejo. I wouldn’t say it’s the same area.


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[Cora]

Thank you, Cora.

I asked a question; I didn’t state any opinion or imply judgement of any kind. It wasn’t a declarative sentence.

I asked if he’s been charged with a hate crime. And I thank the poster who answered me; it’s good info to know.

And I agree. It seems clear he had neo-Nazi ties and beliefs, but I’m not sure hate crime charges will stick, either. But I’ve been wrong before.

I misunderstood you comment. Thank you for the clarification!


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[seabearcircle]

Seabearcircle- I was responding to your “imagine if his group found out....”.

‘If’ that were to be the case, I could see him handling things in an extreme way in an attempt to ‘prove’ to his group otherwise. That’s all, just speculating on the ‘ifs’.

Oh gotcha. Thanks, I was confused.

 

[PricklyPear]

Here is an old article that gives evidence for multiple stab wounds being related to emotional relationships. Well they say sex, not emotion. More than 3 stabs is usually means a sexual/emotional motive, and the chances of it being that goes up with the number of stabs. While I'm sure the hate group helped Sam justify himself, I think his primary motive was personal. When we find out where the wounds were we might know more aboutit. Stabbed in the back suggests revenge (that was another article).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756522

That is a potential reasoning behind a violent stabbing, but not the only one. Knives have some symbolism among neo-Nazis, and it wouldn't be the first time that neo-Nazis had stabbed someone to death.

According to sites like KnifeDepot.com and MilitaryItems.com, daggers were carried by Nazi commanders and elite soldiers. Go on eBay, and you can find a whole section for Nazi-era "edged weapons," mostly daggers and bayonets. So if SW really revered Nazi ideology, it would be a pretty easy item for him to get ahold of as a collectible and carry around.

One of the best-known moments in the rise of the Third Reich was the Night of Long Knives, when Hitler ordered the purge of the "Brownshirts," a paramilitary faction within the Nazi Party. The Brownshirts were led by Ernst Rohm, who was gay (although Rohm was shot, not stabbed - "the night of long knives" prior to 1934 was an idiom for an act of vengeance). Rohm had opposed Hitler on part of the German penal code that made male homosexual acts illegal. https://daily.jstor.org/ernst-rohm-the-highest-ranking-gay-nazi/

In 2009, a German police chief who opposed neo-Nazi groups was stabbed by a skinhead. The attacker was never apprehended, but the investigation pointed at links to a far-right neo-Nazi group: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-12-20/stabbed-german-police-chief-vows-to-fight-neo-nazis/245830

In a 2016 riot between a neo-Nazi rally and counterprotesters in Sacramento, 10 people were hospitalized for stab wounds, most of them counter-protesters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Sacramento_riot

And if you search "stabbing hate crime," there are more than a million results, including:
- The stabbing last year of Richard Collins III, a black college student and Army officer; the suspect was allegedly a member of white supremacist groups on social media: http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-alleged-alt-reich-college-stabber-racial-hatred-687584
- The fatal stabbing of Ricky Best and Taliesin Namkai-Meche and injury of Micah Fletcher on a Portland train last year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_attack
- The (luckily non-fatal) stabbing attack of a 60-year-old man in Goshen, CA in October: http://abc30.com/two-men-charged-with-hate-crime-after-stabbing-goshen-man/2564726/

So maybe SW had a sexual motivation, but given what's been revealed over the weekend, my guess is that he wasn't some tragic, conflicted, closeted man who was scared of his emotions. My guess is that, if it's proven he committed this murder - and I think it will be - it will be because he was mad his neo-Nazi friends called him a wannabe (as one news story reported; I don't remember which one, but it was linked in this thread already) and wanted to prove them wrong. My guess is the overkill was because he had never murdered anyone before and didn't know what he was doing. JMO.

 

[PricklyPear]

You can tell it's blonde from this cropped photo when he was arrested. I think it was nubby blonde from growing out a few days. Looked like he or someone else dyed the top black and shaved the rest.

That cut looks very much like the trend of "high and tight" haircuts among the alt-right white supremacist types: http://www.esquire.com/style/news/a51116/high-and-tight-fascism-neo-nazis-white-supremacists/

 

[Milenalee]

Where is this information coming from? You need to provide a credible link for this- I'm not doubting you, but just saying without proof via link, this is just a rumor.

They can't publish it because it's the address of a suicide victim. But I saw neighbors discussing it as it happened. When LE went to the victim's house to tell the family, everyone thought they were heading to sam's house.

Probably totally unrelated but you have to wonder if the victim knew Sam well.

And there is no way we can ever discuss this because the press isn't going to go digging into a minor suicide victim's past.


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[strawberry]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/957968944098357248


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[gitana1]

That cut looks very much like the trend of "high and tight" haircuts among the alt-right white supremacist types: http://www.esquire.com/style/news/a51116/high-and-tight-fascism-neo-nazis-white-supremacists/

Oh we had that debate over and over with people insisting his haircut meant nothing. But it's been debated ad nauseam.

I'm just glad it's finally been revealed that this creep indeed is a Nazi.

 

[gitana1]

If you look at the perp walk videos (when he was arrested and walked into the ...jail? Sheriff’s office?), his hair has very obviously died black and has a very distinctive cut. Compared against both the school photo and the nazi camp photos, I’m convinced he died it, and it seems like it was done right before his arrest.

What Nazi camp photos?

 

[Gussified]

What Nazi camp photos?

Posted upthread, from the twitter account of Jake Hanrahan, from ProPublica, on Jan 26th.

https://mobile.twitter.com/id/status/957063970581614592

 

[gitana1]

Being owner it is impossible for me to keep up on every story/theory connected to any case. I am unfamiliar with the "haircut" story. Let me do some reading and I will get back to you.

Tricia

Several of us pointed out (and provided links) that his haircut is common among Alt-right neo-Nazis. It became a huge debate as some could not understand that those of us pointing out the link weren't accusing everyone who had the haircut of being affialited with white supremacy.

The haircut discussion became disallowed not because we can't explore different theories but because it became a big debate and the mods got sick of it.

 

[sequences]

The reporter might be wise enough to check out the Boy Scout camp out locations (and photos) frequented by Orange County youth before he put's a lot of truck in those "anonymous sources". Even Mars on a good day looks like Arizona.

https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA19393.jpg

The masked photo terrain & the "unmasked" photo terrain are not the same geography.

 

[Spellbound]

I haven’t been here for several days, so this may have already been posted. I know the ProPublica link has been mentioned here.

http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-woodward-20180128-story.html

[FONT=&quot]According to a report published Friday evening by ProPublica, a nonprofit investigative news agency, three people who knew Samuel Woodward said the 20-year-old was part of Atomwaffen Division, an armed fascist organization that aims to overthrow the U.S. government through guerrilla tactics and terrorism.

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[FONT=&quot]The group has been linked to four other slayings and a bomb plot in the past eight months, ProPublica said.

The article identified two of its three sources as Woodward's friends and the other as a former member of Atomwaffen Division. The latter told ProPublica that Woodward participated in firearm and combat training in Texas.

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[Gooddeeds]

What Nazi camp photos?

If you do a general Google search today you are likely to see some photos not previously released or published.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

The masked photo terrain & the "unmasked" photo terrain are not the same geography.

Not sure what you mean, but if it is the pictures in Hanrahan's twitter feed, both with the mask and without appear to me to look like Texas Hill Country terrain. One pic has live oaks, the other junipers. If that's what you are referring to. https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/957063970581614592

 

[PetDetective]

That is a potential reasoning behind a violent stabbing, but not the only one. Knives have some symbolism among neo-Nazis, and it wouldn't be the first time that neo-Nazis had stabbed someone to death.

According to sites like KnifeDepot.com and MilitaryItems.com, daggers were carried by Nazi commanders and elite soldiers. Go on eBay, and you can find a whole section for Nazi-era "edged weapons," mostly daggers and bayonets. So if SW really revered Nazi ideology, it would be a pretty easy item for him to get ahold of as a collectible and carry around.

One of the best-known moments in the rise of the Third Reich was the Night of Long Knives, when Hitler ordered the purge of the "Brownshirts," a paramilitary faction within the Nazi Party. The Brownshirts were led by Ernst Rohm, who was gay (although Rohm was shot, not stabbed - "the night of long knives" prior to 1934 was an idiom for an act of vengeance). Rohm had opposed Hitler on part of the German penal code that made male homosexual acts illegal. https://daily.jstor.org/ernst-rohm-the-highest-ranking-gay-nazi/

In 2009, a German police chief who opposed neo-Nazi groups was stabbed by a skinhead. The attacker was never apprehended, but the investigation pointed at links to a far-right neo-Nazi group: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-12-20/stabbed-german-police-chief-vows-to-fight-neo-nazis/245830

In a 2016 riot between a neo-Nazi rally and counterprotesters in Sacramento, 10 people were hospitalized for stab wounds, most of them counter-protesters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Sacramento_riot

And if you search "stabbing hate crime," there are more than a million results, including:
- The stabbing last year of Richard Collins III, a black college student and Army officer; the suspect was allegedly a member of white supremacist groups on social media: http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-alleged-alt-reich-college-stabber-racial-hatred-687584
- The fatal stabbing of Ricky Best and Taliesin Namkai-Meche and injury of Micah Fletcher on a Portland train last year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_attack
- The (luckily non-fatal) stabbing attack of a 60-year-old man in Goshen, CA in October: http://abc30.com/two-men-charged-with-hate-crime-after-stabbing-goshen-man/2564726/

So maybe SW had a sexual motivation, but given what's been revealed over the weekend, my guess is that he wasn't some tragic, conflicted, closeted man who was scared of his emotions. My guess is that, if it's proven he committed this murder - and I think it will be - it will be because he was mad his neo-Nazi friends called him a wannabe (as one news story reported; I don't remember which one, but it was linked in this thread already) and wanted to prove them wrong. My guess is the overkill was because he had never murdered anyone before and didn't know what he was doing. JMO.

If I remember correctly, it was SW that called the group he was in posers. Then he left that group and joined another.


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[gitana1]

If you do a general Google search today you are likely to see some photos not previously released or published.

"Hey mom, I'll just be going on a little camping trip with these new buddies of mine. Ignore the Nazi tats and the general air of jack-booted ****gery. They're really cool guys!"

 

[sequences]

Not sure what you mean, but if it is the pictures in Hanrahan's twitter feed, both with the mask and without appear to me to look like Texas Hill Country terrain. One pic has live oaks, the other junipers. If that's what you are referring to. https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/957063970581614592

Look at the rocks. Masked photo rocks are more like higher elevation mountain rocks. Unmasked photo rock is more like California high desert rocks.

 

[Milenalee]

If you do a general Google search today you are likely to see some photos not previously released or published.

If you follow The reporter Jake Hanrahan on his twitter feed you will see anything new. The Texas training camp weekend photos are there, he had them up prior to the propublica story.


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[Gooddeeds]

"Hey mom, I'll just be going on a little camping trip with these new buddies of mine. Ignore the Nazi tats and the general air of jack-booted ****gery. They're really cool guys!"

Gitana, I guess I can’t ask you to elaborate without getting scolded but I am following you. We just don’t know what his situation at home was. How do these things of this specific magnitude go unnoticed?

2 things I noticed that pointed to SW demeanor:
when he was on his way in the door to his house-approached by the reporter his “no comment” statement to the reporter was in an incriminating anger tone. In my opinion it was suspicious at best.

when he was in the cell speaking to his attorney, his first words in reply to the attorney were physically riddled in anger. His facial movements were incriminating, can’t describe it well, you have to see it to understand my explanation. Let’s put it this way, nothing close to how an Eagle Scout would appear.