NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female & 3 Children, found Nov'85 & May'00

[msphilosopher]

Maybe we should look into this woman missing in Arizona, using a false name? Her friend was found murdered in 1984, which makes it at the very end of the Allenstown victims' range, and no mention of whether she had a child.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-18-21-10-July-1991-2&p=13737036#post13737036

In this post, Gardenener1850 links to this article: https://www.abqjournal.com/793377/dna-could-be-key-to-santa-fe-cold-cases.html regarding Tamara Britton.

However, I noticed the article also talks about a Susan Laporte. Did anyone else notice this or discuss this?

The name jumped out because we know TR said L/D's mom was named Denise Laporte. At least one of the names he has given.

Here are the details about Susan Laporte from the article:

"Susan LaPorte, 25, of Boston, was visiting a friend in Santa Fe when she was strangled Dec. 4, 1985. She had borrowed her friend’s car to go find a quiet place in which to read. A jogger found her body on a dirt road near what is now The Lodge across from the Santa Fe National Cemetery."

Apologies if this has been discussed, I do my best to keep up.

 

[carbuff]

I did not notice that.

Here's a 2006 article about LaPorte's death: https://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/446954nm04-02-06.htm

I'm guessing it's coincidence. LaPorte is a fairly common name in New England.

 

[msphilosopher]

I did not notice that.

Here's a 2006 article about LaPorte's death: https://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/446954nm04-02-06.htm

I'm guessing it's coincidence. LaPorte is a fairly common name in New England.

Hmpf. Your article conflicts with the one I linked to.

The 2006 article states that her case is not linked to any other cold case. However, the 2016 article that Gardener linked to states "Pittington, Griego and Susan LaPorte – are mentioned as possible victims of a repeat murderer".

LaPorte is a common name so, yes, could be coincidence. Agreed.

 

[carbuff]

Hmpf. Your article conflicts with the one I linked to.

The 2006 article states that her case is not linked to any other cold case. However, the 2016 article that Gardener linked to states "Pittington, Griego and Susan LaPorte – are mentioned as possible victims of a repeat murderer".

LaPorte is a common name so, yes, could be coincidence. Agreed.

The 2006 article mentions DNA, so perhaps they found a connection that way? I would assume the more recent article is correct.

But then I guess until they actually solve the crimes, it could be anybody. This is so frustrating sometimes...

 

[msphilosopher]

The timing is also strangely coincidental as well.

Susan LaPorte murdered Dec. 4th, 1985.

Summer of 1986 was when Lisa showed up at the mobile place where Decker lived (the woman who wanted her daughter to adopt Lisa). Source of date: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/05/13/finding-lisa-story-murders-mysteries-loss-and-incredibly-new-life/vCCxbYYUD63kjIoIMJQiWM/story.html

So it would have been the summer of '86 where TR would cry to Decker telling lies about his wife and Lisa's mother, this is where & when the "Denise LaPorte" came from.

It's just oddly coincidental, it makes me think twice. He used her mother's real name but a fake last name or the real last name of a victim from 7 months earlier?

From March 1984 - May 1985, TR was hired at electrical company in Los Alamitos, California -- 13.5 hr drive from Santa Fe.

It doesn't seem too far fetched... but could be all coincidental.

Just makes me think about this one...

 

[Ozoner]

Hmpf. Your article conflicts with the one I linked to.

The 2006 article states that her case is not linked to any other cold case. However, the 2016 article that Gardener linked to states "Pittington, Griego and Susan LaPorte – are mentioned as possible victims of a repeat murderer".

LaPorte is a common name so, yes, could be coincidence. Agreed.

This may well be a coincidence, but every coincidence should be vetted. In this case, they have DNA that they think came from the killer. They also think that the killer was a very tall local due to his long strides.

 

[squish]

They ought to compare the middle child's DNA with the DNA of unidentified women, to find her mother. I'm thinking of the case of Khandalyce and Karlie Pearce in Australia: two apparently unrelated unidentified bodies, many miles away from each other, who turned out to be mother and baby when they compared DNA.


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[squish]

Another thought: the estimated age of the middle child seems off. Her estimated height on NAMUS is 46 inches, yet her estimated age is 2-4 years. There's no way a two year old is going to be nearly four feet tall! And 46 inches is six inches taller than the average 4 year old! I have seen another estimate that she was 4-8 years old, with dentition suggesting the younger end of the range. I think it's most likely in this case that she was a tall 4-5 year old.

Although she was possibly anaemic, so is it possible for malnourishment to delay dental development? Surely if she was malnourished she couldn't have been tall? I'm just wondering if she's actually at the upper end of 4-8 years.


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[Alleykins]

They ought to compare the middle child's DNA with the DNA of unidentified women, to find her mother. I'm thinking of the case of Khandalyce and Karlie Pearce in Australia: two apparently unrelated unidentified bodies, many miles away from each other, who turned out to be mother and baby when they compared DNA.
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NamUs says they do compare the DNA of sets of unidentified remains to each. I asked them about that while researching the Guthrie case (where the mom & 2 kids who disappeared together).

 

[carbuff]

NamUs says they do compare the DNA of sets of unidentified remains to each. I asked them about that while researching the Guthrie case (where the mom & 2 kids who disappeared together).

I was told the same thing when I asked a general question about the current procedures. If any of these UIDs are related to any other UIDs, it should be caught.

 

[squish]

Thanks for your replies about comparing DNAs

On a different note, I remember when I last spent a lot of time thinking about this case, a couple of years ago, we were all wondering about their shovel incisors and possible partial Native American heritage. Given that they otherwise would have looked white, we were wondering where else shovel incisors might have come from, and discussed if East European was a possibility.

Given that we now know that the three related girls were likely local, and that I read on the 2nd Bob Evans thread that there are a large amount of people of French Canadian heritage in New Hampshire, I now think this is the most likely source of any Native features.

This study shows that almost all French Canadians have small amounts of native admixture, with some populations having a more significant amount:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065507

The above study also cites another study, that showed that 53-78% of French Canadians have at least one Native ancestor in their family tree.


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[LucyOso]

Have we looked at Grace Noel Reapp and her mother Grace Marie Reapp?

What if she did leave due to a pregnancy and Bob Evens was “rescuing” her from the situation?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reapp_gracie.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reapp_grace.html

 

[Alleykins]

Have we looked at Grace Noel Reapp and her mother Grace Marie Reapp?

What if she did leave due to a pregnancy and Bob Evens was “rescuing” her from the situation?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reapp_gracie.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reapp_grace.html

The Reapps were ruled out shortly after the first barrel were found. They were on the radar from the get go.

In 1986, the New Hampshire State Police believed the case would finally be solved when they suspected two missing people named Grace Reapp and her five-year-old daughter Gracie as the unidentified bodies found a year earlier, but dental records proved the unidentified remains found in the 55-gallon drum were not those of Grace or her daughter Gracie Reapp.

Link

 

[Romulus]

Ok I found some info about this missing girl Judy Christine Taylor; I had opened the thread of his case, but since we do not know if it is still missing today, the moderators have closed it; If someone wants to inquire, through police or sheriff, you have data available; however I put here the info: P.S: Have posted this also in the discussion case in Serial Killer section

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/56646134/

EXETER - Judy Christine Taylor, 15, has been reported missing since 8 pm, Aug. 27, according to Juvenile Division of the Rockingham County Sheriff's. Department and Judy's parents. Mr. and Mrs. Robert L. Taylor. The young girl was last seen in the Seabrook. She may possibly be in the company of another juvenile female. Judy is believed to be in the Exeter-Hampton area. She is 5 foot 5 inches tall, has green eyes and a shoulder length -light brown hair, which is often worn pulled back from her face. She also has braces on her teeth. The only available pictures of Judy are two years old. Judy's parents strongly emphasize that any help from any source would be greatly appreciated. If anyone has any information for this juvenile, please contact the Rockingham County Sheriff's Department at Exeter, at 772-471G. YORK.

 

[aThousandYearsWide]

http://www.needournames.com/1985/?m=1

I thought this was sweet, whoever made this.

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[Roselvr]

http://www.needournames.com/1985/?m=1

I thought this was sweet, whoever made this.

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LostNMissing had someone colorize the NCMEC recons

 

[malaika]

Does anyone know if Grace Reapp [32/VT/1978] and her daughter Grace [5/VT/1978] have been suggested yet?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4031/1/
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4032/0/



It may be a long shot because of Mom Grace's age, if in fact it's her enough time would've had to pass for her to become pregnant, birth, and raise the 1 to 3 year old. Also they both have DNA in the system so.....Like I said, possibly a long shot. But thought I'd throw it out there anyway

 

[malaika]

Does anyone know if Grace Reapp [32/VT/1978] and her daughter Grace [5/VT/1978] have been suggested yet?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4031/1/
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4032/0/



It may be a long shot because of Mom Grace's age, if in fact it's her enough time would've had to pass for her to become pregnant, birth, and raise the 1 to 3 year old. Also they both have DNA in the system so.....Like I said, possibly a long shot. But thought I'd throw it out there anyway

 

[aThousandYearsWide]

Does anyone know if Grace Reapp [32/VT/1978] and her daughter Grace [5/VT/1978] have been suggested yet?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4031/1/
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4032/0/

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It may be a long shot because of Mom Grace's age, if in fact it's her enough time would've had to pass for her to become pregnant, birth, and raise the 1 to 3 year old. Also they both have DNA in the system so.....Like I said, possibly a long shot. But thought I'd throw it out there anyway

I remember reading the Reapps were the first considered when the barrel was found in 1985, but they were ruled out. I just checked their Namus pages and it doesn't list them as rule outs. Can someone clarify this?

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[aThousandYearsWide]

Does anyone know if Grace Reapp [32/VT/1978] and her daughter Grace [5/VT/1978] have been suggested yet?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4031/1/
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4032/0/

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It may be a long shot because of Mom Grace's age, if in fact it's her enough time would've had to pass for her to become pregnant, birth, and raise the 1 to 3 year old. Also they both have DNA in the system so.....Like I said, possibly a long shot. But thought I'd throw it out there anyway

I gotta say the composites are insanely close! The childs nose is spot on and the mothers facial proportions, even the length of her hair... It's very close.

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