Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #21

[petedavo.au]

An examination of serial murder in Australia
Jenny Mouzos*&*David West
ISSN:*0817-8542
https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi346

(there's only one unsolved case in the table - the Claremont serial killings - at the time when this went to print)

Reading the statements and then comparing the table, it becomes pretty easy to fill in the unknown boxes against the CSK row in the table. Unfortunately the Australian Institute of Criminology hasn't vetted this report enough as it disclosures too much information upon a case that was ongoing and should've been subjected to close operational security. IMO
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Further reports and articles below about patterns in where serial killers dump bodies>

Research report. Spatial patterns of serial murder: An analysis of disposal site location choice
Article*in*Behavioral Sciences & the Law 19(4):595-610*·*July 2001*
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._An_analysis_of_disposal_site_location_choice

Geographic Profiling of Serial Murderer, Gary Ridgway ... - Saint Mary's University
http://www.gis.smumn.edu/GradProjects/NeldnerR.pdf

Lundrigan, Samanthaand*Canter, David V.(2001)*A multivariate analysis of serial murderers' disposal site location choice.*Journal of Environmental Psychology, 21 (4). pp. 423-432. ISSN 02724944
http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/id/eprint/8435/

For more articles, just copy n paste these words into your favourite search engine> spatial murder victim disposal sites

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[meticulously]

Hi Marylouise911 - I feel he may have kept the girls hostage for weeks. With JR she was 7 weeks missing. He could have kept her up to 4 or 5 weeks. With CG she was 2 weeks and five days missing - he could have kept her for five days or a week.

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forensic etymology techniques are used to determine the time of death accurately.

“For example, a couple times I’ve had bodies that have been in certain locations and the investigators have assumed the bodies probably been dumped overnight ... and I’ve been able to say the body’s been here for a few weeks.”

http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...s/news-story/7acb2a32763c801189b10a71584d2b49

 

[lampformypath]

forensic etymology techniques are used to determine the time of death accurately.

“For example, a couple times I’ve had bodies that have been in certain locations and the investigators have assumed the bodies probably been dumped overnight ... and I’ve been able to say the body’s been here for a few weeks.”

http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...s/news-story/7acb2a32763c801189b10a71584d2b49

Oh my Lord, Metic, when I first scanned down and saw that maggot thing I thought it was a really weird sock puppet, The Muppets on Ice? Fascinating article, gruesome but fascinating, and very necessary work in these horrible cases.

 

[Jackman]

Oh my Lord, Metic, when I first scanned down and saw that maggot thing I thought it was a really weird sock puppet, The Muppets on Ice? Fascinating article, gruesome but fascinating, and very necessary work in these horrible cases.

My thoughts were Metic had uploaded something by mistake. My word it's ugly - bug eyes.

 

[Annalise]

My thoughts were Metic had uploaded something by mistake. My word it's ugly - bug eyes.

I think it’s kinda cute🤣


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[Kambo]

Depending on how they were killed the amount of blood present at the scene might be an indication. For instance if there is no traces of blood where CG had been dragged down to her final resting place and then a large amount of blood at the scene it would be fairly easy to assume that was the kill site. Also makes sense from killers point of view. Why risk having to clean up the blood from an additional site that can be linked to you or from your vehicle when it can all happen at one place. Have a change of clothes in the car and dump the others. Maybe the clothes he wore when committing the murders were what the police referred to as additional clothing found at the scene. Cover them with bleach/ cleaning chemicals and be on your way.


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[EvieBear]

forensic etymology techniques are used to determine the time of death accurately.

I think you mean entomology not etymology?

 

[Xyz]

I remember various searches for missing persons in the North as well. There was an elderly bloke who lived upon Gnangara Rd near the OTC station that went walkabouts once and an extensive search from Cullacabardee through Whiteman Park and Gnangara Pines as far as Ellenbrook was undertaken. I note also that every Saturday sniffing dogs are trained at Gnangara Pines.

I also note that when an escaped murderer by the name of Edwards was on the run, the bush near Karragullen was extensively searched.

There was at least one search along the bibbulmun track through the hills too for lost walkers.

IMO we'd need to focus upon identifying areas that are not frequented by Bush walkers, or already well searched etc.

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Hmmm... Karragullen... Someone posted a while back a cryptic comment about Karragullen. This poster hasn’t posted anything further since a few days before BRE was arrested. Not that I’m commenting on a member (I know that’s not allowed), just saying that Karragullen has been mentioned before...

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-6&p=12918290 (sorry I haven’t linked to earlier comments before - not sure if I’ve done it correctly)

 

[Xyz]

Oh and another cryptic comment about rocks... does anyone understand this post by benjones84??

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-5&p=12804073

 

[petedavo.au]

I think you mean entomology not etymology?

https://youtu.be/eYyOBIffyQM

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[petedavo.au]

Oh and another cryptic comment about rocks... does anyone understand this post by benjones84??

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-5&p=12804073

Granite is blue. Blood is red. I assume he is therefore making a suggestion that, in his opinion, someone was killed upon a granite rock.

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[janwa]

Oh and another cryptic comment about rocks... does anyone understand this post by benjones84??

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-5&p=12804073

Sounds like something from Jumanji.

 

[lampformypath]

https://youtu.be/eYyOBIffyQM

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Thanks PeteD. So it is an exact science then, and really needs the Entomologist to attend the crime scene as the collection of the insects is crucial. I'm wondering if this science was as valued back in 1990s to allow a specialist to attend the scene? Oh and I looked up Etymology Metic. and that is a study too, but the study of words - which are equally revealing little critters!

 

[Annalise]

Sounds like something from Jumanji.

Sounds like verse off Valentines card (unfinished) MOO


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[petedavo.au]

Thanks PeteD. So it is an exact science then, and really needs the Entomologist to attend the crime scene as the collection of the insects is crucial. I'm wondering if this science was as valued back in 1990s to allow a specialist to attend the scene? Oh and I looked up Etymology Metic. and that is a study too, but the study of words - which are equally revealing little critters!

According this article, Dr Dadour (maggot man) himself, collected the samples from the bodies for the CSK and Gerard Ross cases.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the...aggot-man-and-insect-girl-20100904-14vdo.html

He has worked on hundreds of cases, including the Claremont serial killer investigation in which three young women were abducted and killed between 1996 and 1997 from the Perth suburb of Claremont. The killer has not been found.

The one case, he says, which affected him deeply was when he had to pick maggots off the hand of a murdered 11-year-old boy. His son was 11 at the time.

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[meticulously]

I think you mean entomology not etymology?

Yes thank you evie .

*blames spellcheck

"Entomological evidence can also help determine the circumstances of abuse and rape. Victims that are incapacitated (bound, drugged, or otherwise helpless) often have associated fecial and urine soaked clothes or bed dressings. Such material will attract certain species of flies that otherwise would not be recovered. Their presence can yield many clues to both antemortem and post-mortem circumstances of the crime."

https://www.australianpolice.com.au/forensic-scientists/forensic-entomology/

 

[ESH]

Just had another look at the Claremont Ghost Videos. I still reckon they are just rubbish

Me Too

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[Molly Dooker]

According this article, Dr Dadour (maggot man) himself, collected the samples from the bodies for the CSK and Gerard Ross cases.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the...aggot-man-and-insect-girl-20100904-14vdo.html



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In 2015 Ian Dadour was sacked from The University of Western Australia. This is what happened when he appealed that sacking:

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-west-australian/20160615/281608124714566



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[Molly Dooker]

An article from The Conversation regarding the use of genomic science (recently used in the location of the Golden State Killer):

"Is your genome really your own? The public and forensic value of DNA" — http://theconversation.com/is-your-genome-really-your-own-the-public-and-forensic-value-of-dna-95786

 

[lampformypath]

According this article, Dr Dadour (maggot man) himself, collected the samples from the bodies for the CSK and Gerard Ross cases.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the...aggot-man-and-insect-girl-20100904-14vdo.html



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Thanks so much PeteD. That is so sad and horrible for that poor Dr and the case of little GR. I certainly hope these specialists avail themselves of some excellent counselling on a regular basis as this type of work would be so challenging and disturbing. I think it's wonderful that Dr Dadour attended our Claremont women's crime scenes, I'm sure he's world class at what he does. Again, terrific research Pete!