CA CA - East Area Rapist/Golden State Killer *ARREST* #3

[Truthy]

Most employers would not ask for a doctors note until after three consecutive days off in a row if the employee referenced an illness. Chronic call off would most likely result in a meeting with the Human Resoure manager and if a recurring illness is the reason they would request a more detailed doctors note. This is the norm but it depends on how strict the employer is.
Also, the 70’s were a different time. Before law suits and Hippa and more professional policies may have been in place.

The NYPD wanted documentation for sick time off. I remember when my brother sunburned his feet really bad it was a thing.


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[Irishones]

Yes. All addresses, his phone number...everything is in there. Free search
https://m.findpeoplesearch.com/

 

[SeekingJana]

Oh, I am certain that they do!
There have been court cases where they have showed them to juries.
Usually as proof the defendant was not capable of the crime for which they were accused of.
If GSK doesn't want his photographed, then I believe he is under endowed.
(A certain teletubby name comes to mind)
Moo

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news...t-penis-small-crimes-lawyer-article-1.2825186

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I know I'm somewhat of a skeptic but I'm a professional nurse, and have seen all there is to see and then some. Tissue atrophies ( shrinks and droops) with age. SERIOUSLY, it is a medical problem with men sometimes.

Whatever endowment size which a man has at age 25-35, even 45 and 55 in the way of endowment is definitely not going to BE the same or photograph the same way at age 72.. add in the tranquilizers we think he's been on, the fear of having one's genitals photographed for a nationally publicized serial killer and rapist spree ( and burglary but not sure it comes into play there) likely long and complicated trial or trials. What they are going to end up with, IF this is to try to prohibit photography, will be a total travesty compared to what he MAY have looked like in his 20's to even 50's.

It's worlds apart and I don't think this is what the motion to prevent further testing is about.
IF his attorney wanted to make a valid argument that he was not endowed with a penis capable of penetration of a rape victim, then urologists for the prosecution are going to be all over that like crazy.
Conversely, IF the prosecution tries to introduce physical evidence victims may have given statements about size 40 years ago, if he has a good or even AVERAGE attorney at trial, the defense is going to have very good Urologists with photos and probably even silicone models to show what age does to connective tissues and underlying muscles and blood vessels and nerves.

This is truly a speculative barking up the wrong tree and any medical professional would know thus. Whatever witnesses may have seen 30 years ago is not the same today, not in any way, anatomically.
Gravity is a real b****!
I hate the creeping SOB more than there are words, but hatred doesn't keep me from stating the atrophy which occurs with ALL tissue in advanced aging.

Also, I want to make it clear that I was a very discreet and compassionate nurse. We did NOT stand around and talk about any patient's bodies except as a body part might have needed professional nursing care or treatment. Sometimes, those of us with more experience doing procedures would help the less experienced nurses. We did see body parts, but only as necessary for either sex.
Much of the time, we RNs had to do the catheterizations on male patients, and there were some male patients in this guy's age range that even the Urologists could not get a Foley catheter in after we were unsuccessful and had to call the specialist to ICU to help.
It happened a lot more than the gen. public would ever think, and most of the time it was not due to a prostate problem but the angle we needed to work with to enter the bladder wasn't " there".

I mean to educate, not embarrass with what I've related here. ALL of us age, all of us WILL age, God willing we live long enough. Women have our own set of body challenges but we have more help with the prone to saggy bits with hormone replacement therapy, Spanx, good bras.. and the women who get everything nipped, tucked, lifted and lipo-sucked.( shudders)

 

[Suglo]

BBM I read that too (no tv) but not in a news article so for whatever that's worth. Very curious about a computer. That would be a goldmine, one would think. Not only for him tracking the story, known victims, etc but delving deeper into his past and potential crimes and psyche. I tend to think he would have violent rape videos in his search history and whatnot. Perhaps as he aged and couldn't offend, he resorted to viewing instead of committing.



Has this ever been used for identification purposes in a criminal case? Not a tattoo. Wondering for real. Do they have a lineup or how would that go.



BBM - I know what youre saying, but this sounds like the MO of defense attorneys to me. File, file, file. Stall, stall, stall. There has to be some basis but it doesn't mean it's not ridiculous. Sorry, it's just frustrating to see defendants who have already abused and tortured so many people revictimize them in the confines of a courtroom.



BBM the court doc said the defendant was a french citizen and was out of the country (USA) so presumably back in France.



Does anyone know if DUI arrest records/ mugshots are public records in California? Neither has surfaced to my knowledge. In my state it's all pretty public and accessible, unless you go through a process to request removal. I haven't found anything on CA policy in general either. So wondering what gappeened with that. Of course fingerprints too. I'm quite certain he would have to give fingerprints.

The DUI records are public info here but you have to know the name, date of birth and the county where he was arrested. I used to be able to access all the local county court sites in the Sacramento area for free but a few of them didn’t have all the info digitized and now most of them make you pay per view. Check Sacramento County Superior Court and also check Placer County Superior Court as he lived right on the border of the two.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

Auburn is 30 miles from Sacramento. They’re not the same force. They didn’t share information. If you read Shelby’s book you will find out that they (the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department) didn’t even share information among themselves or with the Sacramento Police Department who had cases in their jurisdiction.

Yeah, it was a mess back then, nobody wanted other jurisdictions involved in their business, no wonder criminals bounced around knowing cops didn't talk with others in other forces.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

Maybe you are using " he" as a placeholder pronoun, but it's possible he had some sort of symbiotic relationship with a female... I don't think we should discount the possibility, even if a possible accomplice or helper didn't know what exactly was going on inside the residences.. JMO.

I would be shocked if any woman did crimes with him, I think he was a one man show.

Witness didn't see anyone else with the peeper/stalker/voyeur.......nobody saw anyone else running from a house except for one man.....same when he was riding away on a bike or when getting in a car & driving away.

Deangelo got away with his crimes for over 40 years because he didn't work with anyone else while committing these crimes, & he certainly didn't talk to anyone about them.

 

[Wing Ding]

Yeah, I thought maybe he stopped after the 1986 murder when he was 41 years old, but then thought, this guy was evading all kinds of cops/detectives for over 10 years, & he was in physical shape.

41 years old is still young enough to commit the crimes he was use to but change his MO......although he was big time in self preservation, would he keep killing knowing DNA popped on the scene in 1986?

I'm pretty confident in saying he did not stop stalking/peeping/voyeurism even up until he was caught at 72 years old.

Don't think he raped at this age, but from every stated, he was physically fit & moved around as a 50 year old........if so, he probably could still kill, but I doubt it at this age, he still got his jollies off of peeping, etc... tho.

I think DeAngelo stopped doing everything he was doing when he became aware of DNA evidence -- especially knowing that his DNA from the rapes was likely already part of the evidence against him. That's why he went to extremes at work (Save Mart) to stay out of trouble (and also probably in his personal life at home as well). He may have been physically able to assault, rape and kill men and women after his last known murder in 1986, but in the interest of self-preservation, which he had demonstrated several times in the past, I believe he valued his own freedom more than carrying on his lust for violence, and risk getting caught and sent to death row (which I'm sure is where he knew he would be going).

 

[SeekingJana]

IMO, he was still a predator up to the day he was caught, just one who operated differently. I think he probably moved on to "easier" victims like prostitutes and older women, but at some point in the last 10-15 yrs I'm sure he actually did stop killing. At that point, he probably found a willing partner who would allow him to exert enough control and dole out enough abuse of all types to satisfy his "needs." I'm sure it would have been easy for him to find a younger woman/women who would trade this for him taking care of her financially to some degree.


I began running various searches on the Murder Accountability Project's database yesterday to try and find any unsolved murders after 1986 that stood out. I haven't found too much yet, but it is clearly obvious from the results as to when he was the most active and that by 1995 he had almost certainly stopped killing (at least in California and/or began disposing of victims' bodies). Although, there are several known murders of his that aren't in the database, so it is likely that unknowns belonging to him aren't in there either.


Side Note: It is terrifying to see how many unsolved murders there still are from the late 70's to mid 80's in CA that almost certainly belong to several different serials.

I wanted to add my agreement to this post. I agree, he never some sorts of stopped criminality until something or someone forced him to. Not illness, not even age if what Det. Holes has said is true, and I believe it is.

CA is a community property state, I believe, and there is another residence connected to him legally which has had an occupant who will not let him enter, who is known to stand in the doorway or driveway and exchange profanities and screams with JJD for many years.

This same residence and occupant recently was noted to have refused entry to LE ( who apparently did not have a search warrant) but did stand out in the same driveway and talk to them for around 60 minutes.

My questions- WHAT'S IN THAT HOUSE other than the occupant??

Also, why doesn't LE get a search warrant for that house due to the joint marital property status? If they've removed items from this second residence, it must have been under cover of a crime tent and at night, or photos would also be available of that, I'd think.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Which victims know he had an accomplice? I’ll admit, I’m no expert. Just want to go look at the victim statements for those witnesses because I’m not buying the accomplice angle just yet. Not arguing with you, just want to educate myself. Also, not asking for links, just want to know which victims know he had an accomplice. TIA.


MOO

Same here so hard to keep up. There are some victims that swear they think he had someone with him.
Can't remember which ones, there's so many.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

I wanted to add my agreement to this post. I agree, he never stopped criminality until something or someone forced him to.

If CA is a community property state like I believe it is, then there is another residence connected to him which has had an occupant who will not let him enter, who is known to stand in the doorway or driveway and scream at JJD for many years.

This same residence and occupant recently was noted to have refused entry to LE ( who apparently did not have a search warrant) but did stand out in the same driveway and talk to them for around 60 minutes.

My questions- WHAT'S IN THAT HOUSE other than the occupant????
Also, why doesn't LE get a search warrant for that house due to the joint marital property status? If they've removed items from the other residence, it must have been under cover of a crime tent and at night, or photos would also be available of that, I'd think.

I agree, if they have not searched that house, I will be absolutely shocked. It should have been one of the first things they should have done, even if it was a very quick rundown.

 

[mpnola]

I wonder if they want photos of his penis? You know for identification purposes? And the tattoo maybe?
:cow:

Michael Jackson comes to mind. Possibly it is an endowment th I bg, but possibly there were other details that could be known through inspection.

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[elainebenice]

CA is a community property state, I believe, and there is another residence connected to him legally which has had an occupant who will not let him enter, who is known to stand in the doorway or driveway and exchange profanities and screams with JJD for many years.

This same residence and occupant recently was noted to have refused entry to LE ( who apparently did not have a search warrant) but did stand out in the same driveway and talk to them for around 60 minutes.

My questions- WHAT'S IN THAT HOUSE other than the occupant??

Also, why doesn't LE get a search warrant for that house due to the joint marital property status? If they've removed items from this second residence, it must have been under cover of a crime tent and at night, or photos would also be available of that, I'd think.

As a divorce attorney, I can tell you that this isn't at all uncommon for separated spouses to act like this. That does't mean LE still shouldn't search the house if they have probable cause, but the fact the "person" wouldn't allow JJD in the house, in and of itself, doesn't send up any red flags to me. Although, maybe I just have a bunch of crazy clients who could be serial killers/rapists.......

 

[ocgrad]

When you are off sick in the U.S. don't you need to provide a doctor's certificate?

No. Perhaps with some companies if you have to take a significant sick leave, several days or weeks. But generally if only a day or 2 every so often. Sometimes you may take off a day when you are sick but not go to the Dr at all.

 

[cb73]

As a divorce attorney, I can tell you that this isn't at all uncommon for separated spouses to act like this. That does't mean LE still shouldn't search the house if they have probable cause, but the fact the "person" wouldn't allow JJD in the house, in and of itself, doesn't send up any red flags to me. Although, maybe I just have a bunch of crazy clients who could be serial killers/rapists.......

With all the comments by people who knew him about how precise he was, and everything had to be perfect--could it simply be the wife wouldn't let him in the house because she didn't want to get into yet another argument about the house not being kept (to his standards)? She could be a hoarder, or just a regular person who has a lot of stuff going on and 50's-style housekeeping just isn't on the top of the list.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I agree.
It's too late, I can't edit or remove.
I alerted and asked to have it removed. [emoji4]

You should edit to clear up the fingerprinting because it’s totally wrong.

He’d have nothing show up on a background check for flying. They don’t care about DUI and shoplifting.


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[SisterEtheridge]

Hey guys, just catching up while at work. Did he go to court today? Did anything happen?

 

[Wing Ding]

Regarding the years when DeAngelo was active in Santa Barbara, Ventura and Orange counties between 1979 and 1986, state tax returns would reflect employment and place of residence, right? Does anyone here know if those tax returns would be available to the public, or is that something only L.E. or a Journalist could subpoena?

 

[Kapua]

I think DeAngelo stopped doing everything he was doing when he became aware of DNA evidence -- especially knowing that his DNA from the rapes was likely already part of the evidence against him. That's why he went to extremes at work (Save Mart) to stay out of trouble (and also probably in his personal life at home as well). He may have been physically able to assault, rape and kill men and women after his last known murder in 1986, but in the interest of self-preservation, which he had demonstrated several times in the past, I believe he valued his own freedom more than carrying on his lust for violence, and risk getting caught and sent to death row (which I'm sure is where he knew he would be going).

I also believe that he stopped in the interest of self-preservation, as you so perfectly stated in your last sentence. I'm not sure, however, if his awareness of the emergence of DNA technology was the motivator. His crimes increased in violence but decreased in number dramatically beginning in 1980, as you can see from this timeline and map:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewe...&ll=36.14015485588168,-119.87327794999999&z=7

I think it was largely self-preservation and partly life circumstances. He became a father and had to change careers after being fired from Auburn PD in late '79. Lately he's been obsessing over lawn care, according to his neighbors.

 

[ocgrad]

BBM I read that too (no tv) but not in a news article so for whatever that's worth. Very curious about a computer. That would be a goldmine, one would think. Not only for him tracking the story, known victims, etc but delving deeper into his past and potential crimes and psyche. I tend to think he would have violent rape videos in his search history and whatnot. Perhaps as he aged and couldn't offend, he resorted to viewing instead of committing.



Has this ever been used for identification purposes in a criminal case? Not a tattoo. Wondering for real. Do they have a lineup or how would that go.



BBM - I know what youre saying, but this sounds like the MO of defense attorneys to me. File, file, file. Stall, stall, stall. There has to be some basis but it doesn't mean it's not ridiculous. Sorry, it's just frustrating to see defendants who have already abused and tortured so many people revictimize them in the confines of a courtroom.



BBM the court doc said the defendant was a french citizen and was out of the country (USA) so presumably back in France.



Does anyone know if DUI arrest records/ mugshots are public records in California? Neither has surfaced to my knowledge. In my state it's all pretty public and accessible, unless you go through a process to request removal. I haven't found anything on CA policy in general either. So wondering what gappeened with that. Of course fingerprints too. I'm quite certain he would have to give fingerprints.

I read they had fingerprints in the VR cases. And he was fingerprinted in the military and surely with both police departments as well as the DUI. But I am guessing that matching up fingerprints if you don't have an exact person's name to search is not done. It doesn't sound like they just can search through files of prints to find a match. It has to be directed to a specific person I believe.

 

[Shiressleuth]

The hearing was postponed today, the hearing will happen tomorrow.

He was in a wheelchair today cuffed to the chair. Judge said no cameras in court for the GSK case.......I wonder if it means for other hearings as well?

I think the judge will deny the motion but may rule to keep the findings out of the public domain for now. The fact the judge disallowed cameras today is an indication I think.