GUILTY - Wayne Millard Murder Trial - Dellen Millard Charged With Murder - #4

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Much like planning for the future isn't enough to suggest someone was not suicidal.

I'm not cheering for the defence by any means, but we all know well enough, I'm sure, that a great deal of suicides come as a surprise to those close to the person who died by their own hand. I don't think the future planning with the company and the woman is a strong enough argument to prove his will to live. Suicidal tendencies are often well-masked by normal, day to day lives.
Juxtaposed all the other evidence against DM it certainly is somewhat compelling, but on its own I find that argument rather weak.

I'm anxious to see this all tied together by the Crown.

I don't know if I can express my thoughts in English well enough:
It seems, LE has not taken all the necessary examinations and measures that would have been necessary when they appeared in WM's bedroom. DM / MB spoke of depression and alcoholism and that was enough for LE to assume suicide rather than murder. You could accuse LE of mistakes and sloppiness. If now the defendant is acquitted for lack of clear evidence, the negligence and misjudgment of LE automatically diminishes in the eyes of the public.
Is that how it is and are all parties satisfied at the end?
 
I was wondering if some of the early tweets we missed some testimony because that part was a little confusing to me. Because it was DM who (allegedly) first discovered his father dead, so in order for him to (allegedly) presume suicide wouldn’t he have seen the gun?

BBM

I think that is an incorrect recollection of events. I don't believe DM provided suicide as the cause. It was only after the gun was found that it was suggested.
Remember, when EMS arrived no mechanism was found, nor was the eye wound.

I think the correct narrative is that, while he found his father dead, the only info provided was just that, plus "a lot of blood." DM never volunteered the idea of suicide to his mother or LE.

Initially, until the coroner's (or LE's?) arrival, the death was treated as natural causes due to the stories about his alcoholic history.

It was only upon the finding of the gun -- which was not done by DM -- that suicide was brought into question.
Finding WM and finding the gun were mutually exclusive events.
 
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Plus the speed with which DM was ready to dismantle Millardair and fire staff, within days of his father's death, which certainly suggests pre-planning.
Pre-planning of the reception from 12:00 to 5:00 p.m. on Saturday, December 15, 2012 at Vinsanto Ristorante may have happened also as the cremation (!), which would have been an important detail on the to-do-list for a murderer.
Being proud of the masterful performance of planning a funeral and firing staff all together, he had to tell his sweetheart MS.
 
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I wonder, if MB showed up with a Tesla, when she had to appear in court? ;)
 
Yes, that is true. However I see this to be a highly unusual case in Canadian courts because the death was originally ruled suicide, not a homicide. Generally the Crown sets upon just proving why the accused is guilty of the known homicide and yes, then reasonable inference may be involved.

In this case the Crown was put in the very unique position of attempting to reverse that original death finding, ie Sutherland’s reconstruction of gunshot residue. The verdict will depend on if they were successful in doing that based on proof, and then secondly, if the case Crown proved beyond doubt DM was the culprit. JMO

The real flaw in this case originates with the coroner IMO, and his testimony was very weak. Did he move the gun? Sure sounds like it, even though he denied it on the stand. All he had to do at the scene was rule the death as suspicious, enabling LE to treat it as a potential homicide. Instead, he jumped straight to suicide. (Bear in the mind the current review by the chief coroner
Ontario coroner to review undetected homicides — all the way back to Tammy Homolka | The Star ) I'm sure this case was part of the thinking that made this review necessary, even though it isn't mentioned as it's still before the court.
 
By the way, once the trials are all over, where does DM serve his time?

He has a long sentence ahead of him, and it will not necessarily be spent in the same institution. Since DM has 2 first-degree murder convictions already, he will definitely be in a maximum security facility for years to come. He has already been at Millhaven (for his initial intake and assessment, and between TB and Babcock trials) and would logically be returned there for now. Corrections Canada tries to accommodate family members by assigning the prisoner to a facility close enough to make visits doable. We can be sure MB will wish to visit, so during her lifetime DM will probably remain in Ontario. After that he could be reassigned (many factors enter into this decision).

Maximum security facilities have recently been built or expanded in Quebec and Ontario prisoners transferred there. That could be in DM'S future someday. It is unlikely he will be assigned to protective custody, however ; prisoners with psychopathic personality types tend to do well in prison. His glib charm and ability to gather supporters would stand him in good stead.
 
BBM

I think that is an incorrect recollection of events. I don't believe DM provided suicide as the cause. It was only after the gun was found that it was suggested.
Remember, when EMS arrived no mechanism was found, nor was the eye wound.

I think the correct narrative is that, while he found his father dead, the only info provided was just that, plus "a lot of blood." DM never volunteered the idea of suicide to his mother or LE.

Initially, until the coroner's (or LE's?) arrival, the death was treated as natural causes due to the stories about his alcoholic history.

It was only upon the finding of the gun -- which was not done by DM -- that suicide was brought into question.
Finding WM and finding the gun were mutually exclusive events.

Thank you, that would make sense although there didn’t appear to be a huge amount of blood loss considering the GSR was still visible on the pillow. I don’t recall if it was stated whether or not DM was involved during that first “theory” or if paramedics spoke to either DM or MB when they first arrived. It was my impression that suicide was eluded to by DM but I could be mistaken.
 
Being a potential serial killer, at this point, I'm not sure his fellow inmates would be kind to him. He's notorious, and maybe one inmate might want to be the one to hurt him--if they are even allowed access to DM at all.

By the way, once the trials are all over, where does DM serve his time?
His fellow inmates will definitely not be nice to him, however I doubt if it would be due to him killing his own dad, (if in fact he is found guilty), I think they *already* want to not be nice to him.. if given the chance (not sure if he still lives in solitary?).. they probably want to be 'unkind' to him because of the TB case, and also just because he is a goof. jmo.
 
I can’t imagine there’s much left. I wonder how much DM has had to spend on lawyers for all these trials! Then, there are the appeals he will pay for. Such a waste of all that money his grandfather and father worked to achieve.

Yes a huge waste of a legacy handed on a silver platter by prior generations, plus it was as if he became a ticking time bomb destined to intentionally cause misery and heartache by shattering lives, all in a relatively short period of time.
 
Good points. Given DM resorted to “missions” of theft, there certainly was something wrong upstairs. It’s as if he had a huge distain toward hard work and earning money - everything his grandfather devoted his entire lifetime toward, DM was driven to undo.
To me, it kind of hit me that DM seemed only capable of seeing business on a small-scale, ie flipping a propery, reno'ing a few townhouses, rental income, chopping vehicles, stealing stuff he needed at the time, .. it seemed like it was just way over his head to even fathom the complexities and financials of an MRO - the large outlay of cash to get such an operation going, and the eventual return - all he knew was the money going OUT. That's what WM had the consultants for, but DM didn't like them - they were cutting into his chopping activities, didn't value their opinions, and so he wanted them gone. For him to disband the whole thing within days of his father's death is really telling, imho. He had the chance to sell the whole thing as a going concern, but instead, fired all the workers who'd been trained, handed back the certification, and tried to find a tenant to take over the lease. Piece meal. What a dork.
 
Yes a huge waste of a legacy handed on a silver platter by prior generations, plus it was as if he became a ticking time bomb destined to intentionally cause misery and heartache by shattering lives, all in a relatively short period of time.
Within one year he killed 3 people , imagine if he had not been caught and with the eliminator operating , how many more would have been murdered.?
MS and DM were on a killing spree and at first they had to test out the incinerator but once they could operate it
 
they would have tried to prey on more people to murder.
How much of a lunatic do you have to be to walk up to a house with witnesses and have plans to murder the person selling the truck?
There was definitely something not right with him that is for sure.
 
I hate to agree that Sutherland did a poor job with his evidence. It's kind of like.. you count the til at the end of the day, or the petty cash, or whatever, and get perhaps an unexpected amount, so you recount, and get a different amount.. do again and it balances at the amount it is expected to be.. but unless it is double-checked, how does one know which count was the correct one. Surely he would have known he should have duplicated his test which hung the accused? Super disappointing. He's also a police officer, is he not? It's not even like he's just some guy who does testing. He knows the importance of proof and documenting and court presentation and etc. And yes, with so long to wait for trial, surely the Crown would have known there were issues with this and had plenty of time to do something about it? jmo.

edited to complete the incomplete thought.

You'd think these days they could do a reconstruction virtually.
 
The real flaw in this case originates with the coroner IMO, and his testimony was very weak. Did he move the gun? Sure sounds like it, even though he denied it on the stand. All he had to do at the scene was rule the death as suspicious, enabling LE to treat it as a potential homicide. Instead, he jumped straight to suicide. (Bear in the mind the current review by the chief coroner
Ontario coroner to review undetected homicides — all the way back to Tammy Homolka | The Star ) I'm sure this case was part of the thinking that made this review necessary, even though it isn't mentioned as it's still before the court.

One thing I hadn’t realized is how deaths investigations fall under Provincial control and differ from province to province. In this case we heard a Forensic Pathologist was involved in the autopsy, but not in determining the manner of death. It must be aggravating for LE to work suspicious death scenes if the Coroner isn’t trained in forensic pathology and hopefully Ontario’s review will close that gap.

“ The provinces of Alberta,[10] Manitoba,[11] Nova Scotia[12] and Newfoundland and Labrador[13] have a Medical Examiner system, meaning that all death investigations are conducted by specialist physicians trained in Forensic Pathology, with the assistance of other medical and law enforcement personnel. All other provinces run on a coroner system. In Prince Edward Island, and Ontario, all coroners are, by law, physicians. In the other provinces and territories with a coroner system, namely British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Quebec, New Brunswick, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, and Yukon, coroners are not necessarily physicians but generally have legal, medical, or investigative backgrounds....”
Coroner - Wikipedia
 
BBM

I think that is an incorrect recollection of events. I don't believe DM provided suicide as the cause. It was only after the gun was found that it was suggested.
Remember, when EMS arrived no mechanism was found, nor was the eye wound.

I think the correct narrative is that, while he found his father dead, the only info provided was just that, plus "a lot of blood." DM never volunteered the idea of suicide to his mother or LE.

Initially, until the coroner's (or LE's?) arrival, the death was treated as natural causes due to the stories about his alcoholic history.

It was only upon the finding of the gun -- which was not done by DM -- that suicide was brought into question.
Finding WM and finding the gun were mutually exclusive events.
DM was still pushing the 'suicide expected due to persistent alcoholism' narrative, hoping that the powers-that-be would determine 'suicide', even though he may not have come right out and said 'suicide'. jmo.
 
I was thinking along the lines of DM's expanding criminality.. stealing things from people and companies, dealing with drug dealers and gun selling 'gangstas'. Wouldn't the first thing an innocent person would think about, be.. omg I f'd with the wrong person and this hit was meant for me?? But right away, he and his dear mom yapping away about drinking.. YES, must've caused a throat explosion. :eek:

Exactly.
 
Within one year he killed 3 people , imagine if he had not been caught and with the eliminator operating , how many more would have been murdered.?
MS and DM were on a killing spree and at first they had to test out the incinerator but once they could operate it

3 that we know of. I still wonder what they did in London, ON way back. I wonder what he meant by "it will be a dirty girl when I'm finished with her"
 
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