NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #10

That’s the bingo question. And by this time, for the worst US massacre we should have a good amount of truth.

Your comment about ‘left thigh, that thigh, upper left calf...’ can be applied to many points. Not sure if you have followed it from the beginning but it has been ‘all over the place’ since day one.

It’s not often you hear reports that something noteworthy happened after, to then hear ‘we realize now that JC was shot before SP began his spree, not before’.
JC made the first call from his radio, then cell, then house phone. Whatever fit at the moment. His hospital stay or visit varies. There was a Gofund set up by a co-employee to help him pay for his major medical cost. Last I looked it was at 34K. Was he licensed or not, did his job description require it? We have records when he crossed the border from LV but not when he returned back to LV in his rental car. Why did the key witness go anywhere across the border?

New timelines were adjusted ever so casually even after the 60 Minutes broadcasting.

The switch from an officer shooting SP to it being self inflicted was spun around. As was where his bullet entry point was and the surrounding blood...old and new.

The doors to this room, no that one, the one across the hall or maybe the internal doors for the adjoining rooms...

SP checked in on these or those dates.
He used the freight elevators or not.
“There is absolutely no footage of him at the hotel because he was in areas where there is no surveillance”

This is less than 1% of the ‘all over the place’ BS.
Yes, I’ve grown weary of the conflicting nonsense and I’m certain that we’ll never know the truth.
 
ok!

lets just ask this

we are true crime folks

can you help me understand the new blood and the old blood

tia

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ha tell Lomabardo about confusion so what do you think about the hours difference in blood clotting
I've reviewed this previously and I don't think it's fake or staged.
Could be mixture of blood, aspiration fluid, cranial fluid. Also, serum separation which would have soaked into carpet more quickly.
Some explanations:
https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/Medical/texts/Bloodstain Pattern Analysis 3rd ed [forensics] - T. Bevel, R. Gardner (CRC, 2008) WW.pdf

Page 52
Additional supporting criteria of expectorate spatter include an evident dilution of the stain as a function of the blood mixing with saliva. Keep in mind that a diluted effect is not limited only to expectorate events, as dilution may appear in impact spatter from head wounds where the spatter is a mix of blood and cranial fluid. A related characteristic for expectorate spatter is mucous strands, connective strands between small spatter caused by saliva (see Figure 3.19).

Understanding and Applying Characteristic Patterns of Blood
See photo on page 257 (can't copy it):
Figure 10.40 A pool of blood showing both clotting (the congealed dark mass) and serum separation (the pinkish colored flow that moves out of the pool to the left and down the wood floor).
 
Lawyers: Mandalay Bay Hotel hiding information from the public and court

U.S. District Court documents obtained by the Baltimore Post-Examiner state the following:

“Plaintiffs allege no prior incident—much less ‘numerous similar … incidents.’ Nothing at Mandalay Bay or in Las Vegas resembles [the Shooter’s] extraordinary vicious assault on concertgoers a quarter-mile away. That nothing like this ever had happened anywhere– let alone at Mandalay Bay or the Las Vegas Village – precludes as a matter of law the existence of a legal duty.

Plaintiffs are not only surprised by defendants’ strong sweeping assertion that such an event was unforeseeable but are stunned by defendant’s assertion that nothing like the shooting had ever happened before. Plaintiff’s only recently learned that a nearly identical scenario occurred at Mandalay Bay three years before the Shooting:

Short of pulling the trigger, a nearly identical situation to the Shooting happened at Mandalay Bay on November 29, 2014. On that day, a housekeeping attendant discovered that a guest on the 24th floor had brought multiple semi-automatic assault rifles (and a silencer) in his Mandalay Bay room. One of the high-powered rifles was equipped with a scope and “positioned … so that it was pointed out of his hotel room window at the Mandalay Bay and towards the Las Vegas Strip.” The weapon’s owner appeared to be set up to shoot at a large mass of people on the Las Vegas Strip, and he was ultimately sentenced to 40 months in prison.

The above information was gleaned from federal court filings. Plaintiffs have submitted FOIA requests to several agencies involved with the incident, in hopes of obtaining additional information on their individual investigations. In response to these requests, Plaintiffs have learned of twenty-eight (28) other “Suspicious Situations” that share a similar categorization as this incident, which Plaintiffs must investigate. Nonetheless, plaintiffs remain mortified that defendants are seemingly intent on hiding this information from the victims, the public, and this, or any, Court.

In light of the fact that defendants have not been forthcoming about this prior event on the 24th floor of the Mandalay Bay, and the possibility that there may be other such events at the Mandalay Bay or other MGM properties, Plaintiffs should be provided time to explore their course of action. Clearly, Defendants are attempting to keep similar incidents under the radar and away from the public, necessitating the need for an investigation and possibly a judicial discovery process.”

Lawyers: Mandalay Bay Hotel hiding information from the public and court
 
Lawyers: Mandalay Bay Hotel hiding information from the public and court

U.S. District Court documents obtained by the Baltimore Post-Examiner state the following:

“Plaintiffs allege no prior incident—much less ‘numerous similar … incidents.’ Nothing at Mandalay Bay or in Las Vegas resembles [the Shooter’s] extraordinary vicious assault on concertgoers a quarter-mile away. That nothing like this ever had happened anywhere– let alone at Mandalay Bay or the Las Vegas Village – precludes as a matter of law the existence of a legal duty.

Plaintiffs are not only surprised by defendants’ strong sweeping assertion that such an event was unforeseeable but are stunned by defendant’s assertion that nothing like the shooting had ever happened before. Plaintiff’s only recently learned that a nearly identical scenario occurred at Mandalay Bay three years before the Shooting:

Short of pulling the trigger, a nearly identical situation to the Shooting happened at Mandalay Bay on November 29, 2014. On that day, a housekeeping attendant discovered that a guest on the 24th floor had brought multiple semi-automatic assault rifles (and a silencer) in his Mandalay Bay room. One of the high-powered rifles was equipped with a scope and “positioned … so that it was pointed out of his hotel room window at the Mandalay Bay and towards the Las Vegas Strip.” The weapon’s owner appeared to be set up to shoot at a large mass of people on the Las Vegas Strip, and he was ultimately sentenced to 40 months in prison.

The above information was gleaned from federal court filings. Plaintiffs have submitted FOIA requests to several agencies involved with the incident, in hopes of obtaining additional information on their individual investigations. In response to these requests, Plaintiffs have learned of twenty-eight (28) other “Suspicious Situations” that share a similar categorization as this incident, which Plaintiffs must investigate. Nonetheless, plaintiffs remain mortified that defendants are seemingly intent on hiding this information from the victims, the public, and this, or any, Court.

In light of the fact that defendants have not been forthcoming about this prior event on the 24th floor of the Mandalay Bay, and the possibility that there may be other such events at the Mandalay Bay or other MGM properties, Plaintiffs should be provided time to explore their course of action. Clearly, Defendants are attempting to keep similar incidents under the radar and away from the public, necessitating the need for an investigation and possibly a judicial discovery process.”

Lawyers: Mandalay Bay Hotel hiding information from the public and court

Its an operation that has been going on -- several of us have mentioned this for quite some time

this has not been some pissed off senior citizen--IMO something went very wrong with the operation that had been running for some time

the fact that they have been so successful in dodging things can only mean one thing IMO its big govt is involved and lots of money has been in play

This dude had like 14 guns in his room humm////////

whatever it is it has kept people very quiet - typically the only thing that can do that so broadly is breaking the expectations results in someone no longer breathing ............

anyone know where any of these people are??

PS I still think Janet AIr has some role!!!!!!
 
Its an operation that has been going on -- several of us have mentioned this for quite some time

this has not been some pissed off senior citizen--IMO something went very wrong with the operation that had been running for some time

the fact that they have been so successful in dodging things can only mean one thing IMO its big govt is involved and lots of money has been in play

This dude had like 14 guns in his room humm////////

whatever it is it has kept people very quiet - typically the only thing that can do that so broadly is breaking the expectations results in someone no longer breathing ............

anyone know where any of these people are??

PS I still think Janet AIr has some role!!!!!!

I don’t know where this will end in terms of the Truth but I am so glad to see this out there. It’s been unsettling for months to go by without seeing any real concern of there being more to the story.

MSM has failed in my opinion but it could be an inside high stakes sorta thing or that they were hitting a wall with MB & friends in attempts to get anywhere close for newsworthy information.

Joe Lo said ‘no mas’. He shut down any more press, interviews & inquiries with that gag order.
 
Who is the guy and why did he only get 40 months?? Aside from this.... mess!... the justice system is a nightmare. A friend of mine is currently serving 6 years for possession of marijuana and driving on a suspended license. 6 whole years. No shortening. I actually thpight he was lying vecause there was no way. But i found his charges and that was it. Punish him, fine. But the sentences of different crimes seem so illogical! 3.5 years for multiple guns pointed to murder mass amounts of people! And his name hasn't been released for people to even watch him. Bet we will be heating that name again! He's had 3.5 years to formulate a new plan.
 
Who is the guy and why did he only get 40 months?? Aside from this.... mess!... the justice system is a nightmare. A friend of mine is currently serving 6 years for possession of marijuana and driving on a suspended license. 6 whole years. No shortening. I actually thpight he was lying vecause there was no way. But i found his charges and that was it. Punish him, fine. But the sentences of different crimes seem so illogical! 3.5 years for multiple guns pointed to murder mass amounts of people! And his name hasn't been released for people to even watch him. Bet we will be heating that name again! He's had 3.5 years to formulate a new plan.

Who?
 
See 5 posts up. The guy who was arrested for having a gun pointed at the strip from his Mandalay Bay hotel.room on nov 29, 2014. He is named in the article. KYe Dunbar

Oh, ok got it. Sorry I didn’t make the connection until I saw the name in your above post. I had the same reaction. How have they kept that quiet?? Whatever & whomever powers involved with MB must have an ‘operation source’ that we may never come to know. It’s high stakes whatever it is, and seems to be far reaching in how they rule or control ANY associated parties. Governing and non governing.

The only thing I have ever witnessed ‘like’ this in a US City, ‘like’ is the key word here because this isn’t even on the same level. In New Orleans the corruption dates back to Huey P and beyond, continuing on though for decades. Only most recently there has been a very slight shift, very slight. I haven’t kept up with it enough but it is uncertain as to whether a slight shift will take root for the better. Hopefully so.

The reality is that every city has some, but this is unlike any other I have witnessed. We haven’t seen much of the big players, in my opinion they are behind the scenes controlling every aspect.
 
Where was Mandalay Bay’s elite emergency response team when Paddock started killing people?

James Cameron, the founder, and owner of the Nevada-based company, Security Concepts Group LLC, told the Baltimore Post-Examiner on Friday that several months before Stephen Paddock’s mass shooting, he had sent messages to MGMRI executives informing them of his company’s active shooter training.

Cameron said that on March 15, 2017, he sent the following message to Director of Safety, Security Training and Firearms for Mandalay Bay Resorts Casino Wendy Price:

“I wanted to reach out to you and let you know that I have been working with a lot of Security Directors and Human Resources professionals in Las Vegas regarding Active Shooter training. It is a subject many don’t like to discuss, however, given the current times, it would be neglect not to. I have a unique approach to this subject and would be very interested in meeting with you to discuss how I can help with your organization’s needs.”

Cameron said he did not receive a reply. On June 5, 2017, he sent another message to Price and also to the Vice President of Security for the MGM Grand Hotel Tim Jeffrey about his company’s active shooter training. Cameron said he did not receive a reply from Price or Jeffrey.

After the mass shooting Cameron sent another message to Price on October 2, 2017 and Price responded:

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Where was Mandalay Bay’s elite emergency response team when Paddock started killing people?
 
Where was Mandalay Bay’s elite emergency response team when Paddock started killing people?

James Cameron, the founder, and owner of the Nevada-based company, Security Concepts Group LLC, told the Baltimore Post-Examiner on Friday that several months before Stephen Paddock’s mass shooting, he had sent messages to MGMRI executives informing them of his company’s active shooter training.

Cameron said that on March 15, 2017, he sent the following message to Director of Safety, Security Training and Firearms for Mandalay Bay Resorts Casino Wendy Price:

“I wanted to reach out to you and let you know that I have been working with a lot of Security Directors and Human Resources professionals in Las Vegas regarding Active Shooter training. It is a subject many don’t like to discuss, however, given the current times, it would be neglect not to. I have a unique approach to this subject and would be very interested in meeting with you to discuss how I can help with your organization’s needs.”

Cameron said he did not receive a reply. On June 5, 2017, he sent another message to Price and also to the Vice President of Security for the MGM Grand Hotel Tim Jeffrey about his company’s active shooter training. Cameron said he did not receive a reply from Price or Jeffrey.

After the mass shooting Cameron sent another message to Price on October 2, 2017 and Price responded:

James-Cameron-Wendy-Price.png

Where was Mandalay Bay’s elite emergency response team when Paddock started killing people?


So thankful to see this! It is encouraging that some are taking the high road despite the risk to themselves/their companies.

Price is showing her hand a little bit here. IMO
 
Its an operation that has been going on -- several of us have mentioned this for quite some time

this has not been some pissed off senior citizen--IMO something went very wrong with the operation that had been running for some time

the fact that they have been so successful in dodging things can only mean one thing IMO its big govt is involved and lots of money has been in play

This dude had like 14 guns in his room humm////////

whatever it is it has kept people very quiet - typically the only thing that can do that so broadly is breaking the expectations results in someone no longer breathing ............

anyone know where any of these people are??

PS I still think Janet AIr has some role!!!!!!
My bold.
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Oh, ok got it. Sorry I didn’t make the connection until I saw the name in your above post. I had the same reaction. How have they kept that quiet?? Whatever & whomever powers involved with MB must have an ‘operation source’ that we may never come to know. It’s high stakes whatever it is, and seems to be far reaching in how they rule or control ANY associated parties. Governing and non governing.

The only thing I have ever witnessed ‘like’ this in a US City, ‘like’ is the key word here because this isn’t even on the same level. In New Orleans the corruption dates back to Huey P and beyond, continuing on though for decades. Only most recently there has been a very slight shift, very slight. I haven’t kept up with it enough but it is uncertain as to whether a slight shift will take root for the better. Hopefully so.

The reality is that every city has some, but this is unlike any other I have witnessed. We haven’t seen much of the big players, in my opinion they are behind the scenes controlling every aspect.

i think mgm had been for years running arms through facility with the top dogs getting a piece of the action == based on the very weathy personal beliefs about like terror or gun control or selling security systems something along those lines



paddock has two planes was doing something with whatever what was going on and got busted and just like his dad his choice was to flip or go the the penn

he flipped and things started to go haywiere big folks either mgm govt hi ups terrorists whatever something was about to break it all open so they killed him and that night happened not sure something like the horse in the bed in the godfather a message to someone something complicated along some varation of this kind of stuff

what kind of stuff has the power to keep everyone quiet

organized crime polical aspirations being on the take corruption

whatever boogie man was spooked it sure has had the ability to make the story go away fear of ones life seems to be the only real motivator of such silence

JC sudden need to go to the flu shot doctor supposedly is pretty illustrative some entity changed everyones mind about doing media apparently suddenly what force can do that

it was not like a little thing bookers for five major had done all the legwork for the junket to began something stopped that seeing him pretend to be shot live on body cam giving a poor performance of someone with a boo certainly would not suddenly days and days later need urgent care if one does not need care in the first week of a boo boo medically it makes no sense that it would happen right before a media junket

he then vanished again moo
 
This guy is my hero for sticking with this thing thru all the BS, very interesting read with photos as it relates to locks on doors:

Was Stephen Paddock the only person in room during shooting spree

I find that Poppa doesn’t dig into to the real issues and inconsistencies at hand. He seems to stay on the periphery. I have never seen him mention the lack of bullet holes in the door in one of the FIT report photos. He doesn’t mention anything about reports of shots fired all over the strip and he doesn’t seem to inquire about the possibility of another shooter on the festival in any location outside of the two rooms, as reported by dozens of witnesses including LVMPD officers at the scene.

I know he has appeared on Tricia’s talk show a few times.... it would be nice if he could join us here to discuss some of these issues.

As it stands now, to me it just seems like he has a long standing bone to pick with the LVMPD.
 
I find that Poppa doesn’t dig into to the real issues and inconsistencies at hand. He seems to stay on the periphery. I have never seen him mention the lack of bullet holes in the door in one of the FIT report photos. He doesn’t mention anything about reports of shots fired all over the strip and he doesn’t seem to inquire about the possibility of another shooter on the festival in any location outside of the two rooms, as reported by dozens of witnesses including LVMPD officers at the scene.

I know he has appeared on Tricia’s talk show a few times.... it would be nice if he could join us here to discuss some of these issues.

As it stands now, to me it just seems like he has a long standing bone to pick with the LVMPD.

I so agree with you he has always bugged me he narcissist thinks he is this great investigator and has been only in it to get publicity

tons of his stuff we have figured out months before this guy slowly bloomed into some big deal

my gut did not care from him from the beginning jmo
 
I find that Poppa doesn’t dig into to the real issues and inconsistencies at hand. He seems to stay on the periphery. I have never seen him mention the lack of bullet holes in the door in one of the FIT report photos. He doesn’t mention anything about reports of shots fired all over the strip and he doesn’t seem to inquire about the possibility of another shooter on the festival in any location outside of the two rooms, as reported by dozens of witnesses including LVMPD officers at the scene.

I know he has appeared on Tricia’s talk show a few times.... it would be nice if he could join us here to discuss some of these issues.

As it stands now, to me it just seems like he has a long standing bone to pick with the LVMPD.

I think you are spot-on! That hadn’t occurred to me but I’ve been so disappointed over the last several months. Initially I found him to be bold in calling things out. I was looking to see the widespread discrepancies being highlighted, instead he has not moved off center. Seems one dimensional.
 
Mandalay Bay Owner Sues Las Vegas Shooting Victims
Ron Dicker,HuffPost 3 hours ago

Mandalay Bay Owner Sues Las Vegas Shooting Victims

>>>snip

...An attorney representing some of the victims of the Oct. 1 shooting massacre in Las Vegas slammed Mandalay Bay’s owner for suing them.

MGM Resorts International, the parent company of Mandalay Bay, is suing more than 1,000 victims to pre-empt liability claims, The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Monday.

MGM Resorts International said in federal lawsuits filed Thursday and Friday that it cannot be held liable for casualties from the attack, which left 58 people dead and hundreds of others injured when Stephen Paddock opened fire from his 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay suite on the crowd at a Route 91 Harvest concert across the street last year...

(article continues)
>>>snip
 
Mandalay Bay Owner Sues Las Vegas Shooting Victims
Ron Dicker,HuffPost 3 hours ago

Mandalay Bay Owner Sues Las Vegas Shooting Victims

>>>snip

...An attorney representing some of the victims of the Oct. 1 shooting massacre in Las Vegas slammed Mandalay Bay’s owner for suing them.

MGM Resorts International, the parent company of Mandalay Bay, is suing more than 1,000 victims to pre-empt liability claims, The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Monday.

MGM Resorts International said in federal lawsuits filed Thursday and Friday that it cannot be held liable for casualties from the attack, which left 58 people dead and hundreds of others injured when Stephen Paddock opened fire from his 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay suite on the crowd at a Route 91 Harvest concert across the street last year...

(article continues)
>>>snip

I thought I was seeing things when this news alert popped up on my screen. Are you kidding me??? On what grounds?

Time to roll out the tumbrels for the greedy CEO's.

Sadly, if this case is appealed all the way to the SCOTUS, the new majority of justices will probably rule in favor of the CEO's.
 

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