UK -Major incident declared - UK anti-terror police investigating possible nerve agent attack, 2018

[Gunslinging Granny]

Well, the poisoner here had no hood and was supposedly going around spraying things with a perfume bottle? Look at all the workers involved in investigation/clean up. If it were so easy, why don't they just get an antidote instead of donning all the protective gear they are wearing? These investigators are photographed in what looks like space suits. Poisoner couldn't have gone around in protective gear without being noticed.

The pre-administration of 2 -PAM is well known to combat the lethality of nerve gases. The poisoner could have pre-administered the antidote increasing his or her chance of survival.

The officers assigned to search for Novichok may be given long-acting atropine (2-PAM) and wear hazmat suits because they could accidentally contaminate themselves while removing their hazmat suits. Remember when the nurses in Texas accidentally infected themselves with Ebola while removing their contaminated isolation gowns, gloves, and masks?

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Nerve Agent Treatment - Autoinjector Instructions - CHEMM
After the Japanese nerve gas attack in the subway, auto-injectors containing the antidote for nerve gas attacks (containing 2-PAM) were stockpiled in "strategic locations" in the USA and other countries. The EMS personnel on the chemical weapons attack team carry auto-injectors and may auto-inject themselves before entering the nerve gas attack area.
Mark I Kits

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Back in 1995, no one thought a small Japanese doomsday cult could successfully produce sarin gas and kill others with it, but they did. Although unlikely, the same situation could be occurring with Novichok.
The Sarin Gas Attack in Japan and the Related Forensic Investigation

 

[Inthedetails]

I can't quite understand how the person who contaminated the Skripals managed to get away without contaminating themselves.

Snipped by me.

Since we don't know who the poisoner is, how do we know he/she/they didn't contaminate themselves??

jmo

 

[dotr]

Wondering if production of the poison antidotes has increased since these shortages in May, also if the price/stock went up?
FDA Drug Shortages And Discontinuations: 5/24/18 Update
Atropine Sulfate Injection Drug Shortage Notice - Drugs.com

 

[Shiressleuth]

Atropine Injections | AdvaCare Pharma

Atropine Sulphate is used for many things and is naturally occurring so I don't see why there should be a shortage unless there is some stockpiling going on.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

delete dup

 

[Razz]

Snipped by me.

Since we don't know who the poisoner is, how do we know he/she/they didn't contaminate themselves??

jmo

Exactly. Has anyone died around the time of the poisonings whose death has gone unexplained?

 

[badgersmythe]

Police 'have grainy CCTV pictures of the suspected Novichok poisoners'

Police 'have grainy CCTV pictures of the suspected Novichok poisoners' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Inthedetails]

Police 'have grainy CCTV pictures of the suspected Novichok poisoners'

Police 'have grainy CCTV pictures of the suspected Novichok poisoners' | Daily Mail Online

Oh, for Pete's sake. How in the world are we supposed to scrutinize every detail - seen and unseen - of a grainy photo when the DM article doesn't include the photo?! Don't they realize we have some sleuthing here to do?!



jmo

 

[badgersmythe]

Oh, for Pete's sake. How in the world are we supposed to scrutinize every detail - seen and unseen - of a grainy photo when the DM article doesn't include the photo?! Don't they realize we have some sleuthing here to do?!



jmo

I was expecting the photo to be included! Pah!

 

[human]

I asked earlier but got no response so asking again. London is filled with cameras.

Do the cities involved with this poisoning have lots of cameras?

 

[Ellmau]

I don't think they've actually identified them yet, they just want to search through immigrations desk footage.

 

[dotr]

I asked earlier but got no response so asking again. London is filled with cameras.

Do the cities involved with this poisoning have lots of cameras?

Salisbury's CCTV is working... yes... it really is!
Salisbury's CCTV is working... yes... it really is!

8th December 2017)

Proof it's on! The FIRST ever image released showing suspects wanted in connection with an incident captured on the city's brand new surveillance system.
March 2018
'Was Salisbury's CCTV on' at time of 'nerve agent' attack?
A Russian TV broadcaster questions 'who controls Salisbury's surveillance system' and whether any 'official' footage exists? Here, our Councils insist it was working.
Surveillance footage may prove to be a 'critical' component in discovering how and when former double agent Sergei Skripal, and his daughter Yulia, were poisoned in Salisbury.

As the complex 'global' investigation continues, a Moscow based broadcaster has contacted Spire FM to ask whether the city's camera system is actually working!

RTVI have been reading about Salisbury's long running CCTV saga on our website.

 

[dotr]

'Was Salisbury's CCTV on' at time of 'nerve agent' attack?
"Questions have now been raised by a Moscow broadcaster as to whether Salisbury's £500,000 CCTV system, which is not yet fully installed and tested, was even switched on at the time of the attack on Sunday 4th March!

CCTV Camera on Market Walk in Salisbury
Doubts about the reliability of the new 'Council' system and who is 'operating' it have been raised both at home here in Salisbury... and now in Moscow.

CCTV 'CRISIS'

Artem Filatov, a Journalist at the RTVI news channel (not affiliated with RT), called Spire FM after reading about the city's long running saga over the city's camera system on the Spire FM website.

He says Russian people are very interested and concerned about the current situation, and would like to know, for certain, whether Salisbury's CCTV system is in operation at the moment. He also questioned which authority, or council, is responsible for the city's CCTV system, and whether the cameras were in operation on 4th of March 2018, the day of Sergei and Yulia Skripal's poisoning."

"Spire FM News has identified at least 5 of the Council's CCTV cameras that may have filmed Sergei and Yulia Skripal...

1. Sainsbury's supermarket - overlooking The Maltings and the bench where the Skripal's were found
2. Salisbury Library - back of the library building overlooking Market Walk and G&T Cards shop
3. Cheese Market - overlooking Market Walk and near Zizzi
4. Fisherton Bridge - overlooking Fisherton Street and The Mill pub
5. Priory Square - back of Maltings near Sue Ryder shop Malthouse Lane"

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Atropine Injections | AdvaCare Pharma

Atropine Sulphate is used for many things and is naturally occurring so I don't see why there should be a shortage unless there is some stockpiling going on.

MOO

The decrease in production is related to Big Pharma's lack of profit on atropine. It's
a very old medication, the patent expired decades ago, and it's now all generic. If Big Pharma can't make a huge profit, they don't want to manufacture it.

.

 

[dotr]

The decrease in production is related to Big Pharma's lack of profit on atropine. It's
a very old medication, the patent expired decades ago, and it's now all generic. If Big Pharma can't make a huge profit, they don't want to manufacture it.

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Maybe Apotex might consider bumping up production anyway, although they may still be reeling by the mysterious deaths of the company founder and generic drug whiz, Barry Sherman and his wife. imo, speculation.
Apotex Corporation :: Drug Company
"Brand-name drugs list from drug company Apotex Corporation
"Brand Name Drug Generic Drug Name
Atropine Sulfate, Ophthalmic atropine ophthalmic"

 

[Inthedetails]

Maybe Apotex might consider bumping up production anyway, although they may still be reeling by the mysterious deaths of the company founder and generic drug whiz, Barry Sherman and his wife. imo, speculation.
Apotex Corporation :: Drug Company
"Brand-name drugs list from drug company Apotex Corporation
"Brand Name Drug Generic Drug Name
Atropine Sulfate, Ophthalmic atropine ophthalmic"

WS overlap!

 

[dotr]

WS overlap!

Sorry, could not help it!
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

 

[nurseygal3]

Well, it could very well be someone from the UK. UK never provided any evidence otherwise. But this poison wold have to have been made in a facility that knew what it was doing, it isn't very simple to make it and then not poison oneself as far as I can tell. So it would have to be a facility that had biosafety protections. You probably not going to be able to just make it in your kitchen and then live to tell about it.