Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[human]

I'm confused now. On one hand this post is alluding to SW being mentally abusive to CW, and on the other hand this post says she is always praising him and hyping him.
How does praise equate to mental abuse?
MOO

It is her valuation of him. She thinks he is inferior so she has to praise him all of the time to meet her standards.

Being thought to be inferior is not OK, is it?

 

[Gardener1850]

For medication, no it's not irrelevant at all. That is what a mitigation specialist is hired to do for death penalty cases. That is why death penalty cases will take much longer to go to court is because of the research they have to go into the background of the accused. Perhaps one of our lawyers can explain it better than I.

BBM. Do you mean mediation?

 

[nwmouse]

It is her valuation of him. She thinks he is inferior so she has to praise him all of the time to meet her standards.

Being thought to be inferior is not OK, is it?

Its never ok for one partner to put down/invalidate the other partner.
But I am not seeing her invalidate him or praise him because she feels superior to him.
I praise my husband often because I'm proud of him. We've been married 18 years now and we tease each other but its never in a mean way. I think SW was trying to boost his ego to get him to show some enthusiasm.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I guess there are 'levels' of abuse. Just because a wife is bossy or assertive, that does not mean she is 'abusive.' To me, abusive means there is a punitive, aggressive behavior connected to those demands.

But just telling Santa where to sit or stand for the video, does not seem like abusive behavior, imo.

I would probably have to tell my Santa where to stand or sit too. I adore my husband, he is brilliant, makes tons of money but our pattern developed that I was the organizer around the house since I stayed home with our 4 kids. He worked long hard hours and he relied on me when it came to anything to do with the kids. On Saturdays he used to tell me just give me my marching orders as we were juggling getting all 4 kids to soccer and baseball games.

 

[flourish]

Because she was lying, don't you know? When she's nice, it's just for the cameras. When the camera/phone is off, she's mean to him. She's an actress, or so we've been told.

You've been told by whom? That lady on AB the other night?

 

[tmar]

For those that are still exploring possibilities. I came across this and thought it was interesting.

CRAWFORDSVILLE, Ind. -- A judge has sentenced a central Indiana woman to 120 years in prison for fatally stabbing her young children hours after her husband filed for divorce.

When the dispatcher asked Worley what caused her to do that, she replied, "My husband wanted a divorce and wanted to take my kids. And I don't want him to have my kids."

Mom who killed kids hours after husband filed for divorce is sentenced to 120 years

Perhaps CW will also get 120 years.
Surely now CW is thinking, that murdering his entire family, did not achieve his goals, in life. MOO.

 

[Golden Girl]

Hi Golden Girl, welcome to WS!

Do you have a mainstream media (MSM) link for this photo? Or was it posted on Shan'ann's Facebook page? Her FB page is allowed to be linked.

Per WS rules and terms of service (TOS), we do require links to photos.

Thank you! No, I do not have a link, so I did not link it. I saved it on my computer.
I understand the rules, so that is why I did not share it at this time.

 

[flourish]

I never realized I was abusing my cats by using the same kind of squirt bottle whenever they used to jump on the kitchen counter or dining room table. I feel like such a horrible person now.

I don't know that pet discipline is comparable to child discipline. My cats eat out of dishes on the floor and poop in a box. As much as I love them and treat them like humans, their brains are different than humans.

ETA I personally have never offered my opinion about the water video. Just to be clear

 

[tmar]

She didn't make up stories to the media and hide them. CW did because he was hoping to get away with their murders.

He certainly made up stories +++, and his plan in disposing all, was quickly revealed.
He did not, get away with the family being murdered, by CW. MOO.

 

[flourish]

BBM. Do you mean mediation?

I thought mitigation

 

[MassGuy]

It is her valuation of him. She thinks he is inferior so she has to praise him all of the time to meet her standards.

Being thought to be inferior is not OK, is it?

How do you know that she felt she was superior to him?

From videos and social media posts?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

It is her valuation of him. She thinks he is inferior so she has to praise him all of the time to meet her standards.

Being thought to be inferior is not OK, is it?

Praising someone is because they are inferior to you? Couldn’t it be she was just being nice? I praise my husband a lot, I guarantee I am not superior to him.

 

[sun16]

Its never ok for one partner to put down/invalidate the other partner.
But I am not seeing her invalidate him or praise him because she feels superior to him.
I praise my husband often because I'm proud of him. We've been married 18 years now and we tease each other but its never in a mean way. I think SW was trying to boost his ego to get him to show some enthusiasm.

There is nothing I despise more than being pushed or boosted by a significant other, who has a more extrovert-ish personality than I do. Quit trying to make me something I’m not, I’ve said. Love me as I am. That’s what love is supposed to be. Or don’t be with me if I’m not your type.

 

[flourish]

Praising someone is because they are inferior to you? Couldn’t it be she was just being nice? I praise my husband a lot, I guarantee I am not superior to him.

I think it was the tone and delivery more than the literal act of praising?

 

[gitana1]

I believe it is automatically no bond unless prosecution fails to demonstrate the required standard at the hearing.

ETA: unless something has changed (a definite possibility) since i worked in a Colorado DA’s office...

You worked in a CO DA's office? Interesting...

In any event, the wording of the statute and the constitution indeed do not indicate "no bail" is automatic. As you state, unless they demonstrate the standard. Which is presicely what the law states.

If the state can show great presumption and evident proof, then no bail is a given.

And of course it's unlikely that the state would charge a defendant with capital crimes without that.

However...if after such charges, significant exculpatory evidence emerges, of course the defense has the right to a bail hearing. Because at that point great presumption and evident proof would no longer exist.

This is constitutional stuff we are talking about.

I feel very confident in taking the bet that the autopsy showed nothing that changed the focus from CW as the culprit.

If there had been the defense would be shouting that from the rooftops.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Perhaps CW will also get 120 years.
Surely now CW is thinking, that murdering his entire family, did not achieve his goals, in life. MOO.

Agree, it does happen and it is a possibility SW killed them but I have yet to see anything that makes me think she did.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

So now we are saying CW was abused by SW?

I guess there are 'levels' of abuse. Just because a wife is bossy or assertive, that does not mean she is 'abusive.' To me, abusive means there is a punitive, aggressive behavior connected to those demands.

But just telling Santa where to sit or stand for the video, does not seem like abusive behavior, imo.

I think what people might have noticed *through the videos* is that he seemed like the weaker part of this relationship. Because Shannan would often instruct him or other people around her. She seemed to be a person who exactly knew what she wanted. But once again this were just videos and many of them were uploaded to sell more Thrive products. Maybe she was instructed to act like she did? Just to sell more products? I do not believe this because her behavior looked authentic to me.

But in the end we really just don't know what their daily life looked like in reality. All I know is that - whatever Shannan might have done - the children were innocent and he could have chosen another way. But he didn't. Even if he was badly abused by Shannan (what I do not believe but I don't know it for sure of course) his daugthers did nothing to him. They were pure souls. So for me it dosen't explain much more about this crime.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

There is nothing I despise more than being pushed or boosted by a significant other, who has a more extrovert-ish personality than I do. Quit trying to make me something I’m not, I’ve said. Love me as I am. That’s what love is supposed to be. Or don’t be with me if I’m not your type.

I don’t disagree but CW chose to marry her so I guess she was his type?

 

[Amandaaa]

You worked in a CO DA's office? Interesting...

In any event, the wording of the statute and the constitution indeed do not indicate "no bail" is automatic. As you state, unless they demonstrate the standard. Which is presicely what the law states.

If the state can show great presumption and evident proof, then no bail is a given.

And of course it's unlikely that the state would charge a defendant with capital crimes without that.

However...if after such charges, significant exculpatory evidence emerges, of course the defense has the right to a bail hearing. Because at that point great presumption and evident proof would no longer exist.

This is constitutional stuff we are talking about.

I feel very confident in taking the bet that the autopsy showed nothing that changed the focus from CW as the culprit.

If there had been the defense would be shouting that from the rooftops.

Unfortunately I am thinking the reports may not provide as much information as we are all hoping they do... but that certainly doesn’t stop me from wanting to see them

 

[Lady Justice21]

I believe it is automatically no bond unless prosecution fails to demonstrate the required standard at the hearing.

ETA: unless something has changed (a definite possibility) since i worked in a Colorado DA’s office...

That was my experience as well.

I *assume defense will ask for a proof evident hearing, and I *assume they'll lose.

All MOO