AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #4

[imstilla.grandma]

Investigators from Barron County, the Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation, the FBI and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children then began working on the case. A drone and infrared camera are used to search the area around the Closs home, but Jayme was not found.
FBI issues nationwide alert for missing Wisconsin teen

 

[Inthedetails]

agreed. Anyone coming to do something like this would make sure to have more than 2 bullets on them

I'm considering the option that the gun used was the father's own gun (not that he killed himself but that the perp took it and used it). My reason is that LE has said no gun has been found in the house and I think it's likely the father owned a gun. In this scenario, the violence wasn't planned. I think it's possible the father came home from work and found the perp in his house.

I'm also considering that the perp brought a gun with him, and with enough bullets to do whatever he had planned to do. Honestly, I think this scenario is more likely, but I'm keeping both ideas on the table for now.

jmopinion at the moment, subject to change

 

[Jethro4WS]

Anyone know where the party was that mom and JC attended? Just a general area as I suppose we shouldn't post the address. Like number of miles away from the house and in what direction? It might not matter, but it might be significant and we just don't know yet.

jmo

Not sure. I thought it was at her Grandfather's house. If that is true then that location would be 50 miles away (south and then east of Barron).

 

[Memphis Bluez]

Whoa. How do they know that?!

Just throwing this out there, but LE is under no requirement to tell the truth during an investigation. The public and the media are often used to help solve crimes without their knowledge by being misguided by police. It's amazing to watch the mind games they come up with.

 

[feendrache]

I tried to read to catch up before posting but I'm still on page 18 lol, sorry if this has been mentioned, but isn't this witness the only neighbor that has come forth with this information on the gunshots being fired?

If they have no other witnesses saying anything to back that up, why is one potential to compensate for the gunshots and the 911 call been tossed around not be simple : it never happened at that time that has been claimed.

Couldn't they have just... idk LIED about the time?? .

 

[MassGuy]

I tried to read to catch up before posting but I'm still on page 18 lol, sorry if this has been mentioned, but isn't this witness the only neighbor that has come forth with this information on the gunshots being fired?

If they have no other witnesses saying anything to back that up, why is one potential to compensate for the gunshots and the 911 not been tossed around. Couldn't they have just... idk LIED about the time?? .

They seem credible. Apparently LE feels the same way. There isn’t a reason for them to lie about this.

They could be wrong, but I don’t think so. They had a specific time, and were informed by LE that their clock was 7 or 8 minutes fast. This all rings true.

 

[kkdj]

Do people often carry weapons (guns) on them in this area?

 

[Medstudies]

Jaycee Duggar was abducted by a meth addict and was kept alive 18 years with his wife's knowkedge.

My mind goes to Anita Wooldridge (Kokomo, Indiana) kidnapped, age 21, from her parents home. Driven in the trunk of her own car to LaCrosse, Wisconsin by serial rapist Victor Steele. She was kept in a metal cabinet for 8 days. Thankfully she was rescued by FBI agents.

Here’s hoping JC is found unharmed- quickly.

 

[TCIntriguedIN30]

It's been mentioned a couple times that Jayme loves to dance. Do we know what type of dance? Dance competitions? TIA if anyone knows.

on Jaymes facebook it says christines dance ? not sure if the do all dances or what

 

[azuredewdrop]

Do people often carry weapons (guns) on them in this area?

Yes, this area has black bears and other wildlife.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm considering the option that the gun used was the father's own gun (not that he killed himself but that the perp took it and used it). My reason is that LE has said no gun has been found in the house and I think it's likely the father owned a gun. In this scenario, the violence wasn't planned. I think it's possible the father came home from work and found the perp in his house.

I'm also considering that the perp brought a gun with him, and with enough bullets to do whatever he had planned to do. Honestly, I think this scenario is more likely, but I'm keeping both ideas on the table for now.

jmopinion at the moment, subject to change

I'm definitely of the opinion that whoever did this brought the gun with them. The front door was shot in, yes ? Assuming that's accurate, that would rule out the possibility that the suspect (s) arrived without weapons already on them.

What throws me for a loop is that the neighbor reported hearing just 2 gunshots. But we have 2 victims dead and a door shot in ? That's 3 shots at least. So did the neighbor not hear the door being shot in, or was one of the victims shot and the other murdered in some other manner ? IF the father was shot, and the mother murdered in some other manner, that could certainly account for the time lapse between the shots being heard and the 911 call, I guess.

Head scratcher.

 

[BRRI]

This may seem ridiculous derailing but I found this while researching and it caught my attention:

The crime of human trafficking is growing worldwide, and Wisconsin mirrors this trend. While human trafficking is prevalent throughout the state, the awareness of the issue and knowledge of best practices lag behind.
Nature of Human Trafficking
 Clandestine and hidden; victims often do not self-identify.
 Victims include men, women, and children of every age, race, sexual orientation, socio-
economic class, ethnicity, nationality, and religion.
 Human trafficking includes labor, sex, and other forms of exploitation.
 Elements of labor and sex in trafficking cases often overlap. E.g. a labor-trafficking
victim sexually assaulted by the trafficker; a victim forced to work in one industry (meat packing) then another (stripping).
https://www.wcasa.org/file_open.php?id=336

Starting around page 12/13 you’ll see some alarming facts. After reading about Iowa stats the last couple of months, I wonder if each state has policies and procedures they interactively share. I’m almost afraid to go find my state.

I’m thinking it’s not trafficking because it’s too much effort to murder parents for a single girl. And her demographic isn’t the typical target. Anything is possible though

 

[Deleted member 278]

I'm definitely of the opinion that whoever did this brought the gun with them. The front door was shot in, yes ? Assuming that's accurate, that would rule out the possibility that the suspect (s) arrived without weapons already on them.

What throws me for a loop is that the neighbor reported hearing just 2 gunshots. But we have 2 victims dead and a door shot in ? That's 3 shots at least. So did the neighbor not hear the door being shot in, or was one victims shot and the other murdered in some other manner ? IF the father was shot, and the mother murdered in some other manner, that could certainly account for the time lapse between the shots being heard and the 911 call, I guess.

Head scratcher.

LE has not confirmed that the door was shot in. I'd like to know where/how this rumor originated.

 

[cakegirl0905]

Cops searching for missing teen recover phone used in 911 call | Daily Mail Online

Is this true? They found the phone? Sorry, I don’t have time to read through the whole thread.

 

[Cardinal47]

I tried to read to catch up before posting but I'm still on page 18 lol, sorry if this has been mentioned, but isn't this witness the only neighbor that has come forth with this information on the gunshots being fired?

If they have no other witnesses saying anything to back that up, why is one potential to compensate for the gunshots and the 911 call been tossed around not be simple : it never happened at that time that has been claimed.

Couldn't they have just... idk LIED about the time?? .

They have the neighbor and the 911 call and I'm pretty sure by now they know by cell phone records who was where.

No man is an island so I'm sure they have a pretty good idea who talked to who and when and where.

I would love to just once be inside an investigation. I bet it's really interesting what and how they piece together what happened.

 

[BRRI]

I appreciate this NEW insight and thinking outside the box and am sorry to see this post get shot down so quickly. So many folks have their minds set on a few scenarios and are trying to make the facts (as reported and alleged) work within those scenarios. Again, I appreciate the thinking and the bravery to share that idea.

Especially if there was an online component. A motherly figure? An older friend who felt possessive? Family? A friend who was interested romantically and turned down?

 

[Deleted member 278]

Cops searching for missing teen recover phone used in 911 call | Daily Mail Online

Is this true? They found the phone? Sorry, I don’t have time to read through the whole thread.

LE already confirmed they have the phone. They are not saying who the phone belongs to.

 

[azuredewdrop]

I'm in the Twin Cities, about 90 minutes from Barron. We've traveled to that county many times over the years and want to share a bit of perspective...

This area of Wisconsin from Turtle lake, Rice Lake (including Barron), all up through Hayward and to the north and east is very touristy. More so at other times of the year but because of fall there is still quite a few people who travel in the area on the weekends to drive around in the forests and see the leaves change and also the cranberry crops as they're harvested. All across this part of Wisconsin is tourist shops selling cheese, fudge, wine, cranberries, etc.

I mention this because it occurred to me there is potential for unknown persons to pass through the area or hang around the area over a few weeks time and not be suspicious because tourists are common. Turtle Lake and the Casino is not far away and gets visitors from all over. Rice Lake has a lot of interesting touristy places.

Just something to consider.

 

[kkdj]

Maybe the perp was greeted at the door by the dad yielding a gun and the perp shot first? Could it even be the perp also has a gunshot wound? idk.....just trying to think of different scenarios. We don't know what may have been occurring in that house prior to the neighbors getting home and later hearing 2 loud gunshots. There could have been more earlier.

 

[BRRI]

I don't think anyone is trying to "shoot down" theories, but Occam's Razor is something I keep in mind when looking at all scenarios. Its certainly an interesting idea that the perp is female, but is it likely?
This forum is so great because we can all put forth scenarios and opinions in a civil environment.
MOO.

<modsnip - not victim friendly >. Statistically, murderers are not female. But kidnapping perps can be