AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[stargazer17]

What is ‘unsub’? It is not defined on the WS lingo thread that I found. Thanks!

Websleuths Lingo

unidentified subject

 

[Jax49]

What is ‘unsub’? It is not defined on the WS lingo thread that I found. Thanks!

Websleuths Lingo

Unknown subject of an investigation

 

[Medstudies]

And unfortunately once inaccurate info is posted, too many sources don't make corrections. They leave it for click bait, imho.

ETA: Good to see the local press get the clarification from the sheriff.

From the local press article you posted:
“About 4 minutes after the call, deputies arrived at the house. Dispatch records state that James Closs answered the door. On Friday afternoon, Fitzgerald was asked if that was accurate in the dispatch logs that James Closs had answered the door, he said yes.

After more discussion with Fitzgerald on Saturday morning, Fitzgerald said he was not releasing any information about how the door got opened. He said when the deputies arrived at the house, James was found dead at the door. When asked whether a deputy had kicked in the door, Fitzgerald said he could not comment due to an active investigation.”


Hopefully JC is found soon, alive, and the perpetrator is brought to justice.

 

[Steelslady]

ok wow. that definitely does not look like a medical bag, that's a packed suitcase.

was someone coming home from or planning a trip???

Another thought- Jayme was in dance. Did she do competitive dance which would require traveling around to other parts of the state? A large suitcase for her dance costumes and accessories wouldn't be out of the ordinary to me, if this were the case. I have no clue if she danced competitively, but it is a thought that crossed my mind.

 

[Gopherfacts]

Have we heard anymore about dad from other coworkers/night shift employees?

 

[human]

From the local press article you posted:
“About 4 minutes after the call, deputies arrived at the house. Dispatch records state that James Closs answered the door. On Friday afternoon, Fitzgerald was asked if that was accurate in the dispatch logs that James Closs had answered the door, he said yes.

After more discussion with Fitzgerald on Saturday morning, Fitzgerald said he was not releasing any information about how the door got opened. He said when the deputies arrived at the house, James was found dead at the door. When asked whether a deputy had kicked in the door, Fitzgerald said he could not comment due to an active investigation.”


Hopefully JC is found soon, alive, and the perpetrator is brought to justice.

Do you have a link for the sheriff saying James opened the doir to LE?

 

[SharonNeedles]

The second thing that’s perplexing me this morning is the dog. I mentioned this early on that approaching a rural house like this is going to be brazen, you’ve got to assume that the house probably has a dog and a gun. In this area at a property like this you’re probably going to be right on both counts 75% of the time. As soon as you pull into the driveway the dog knows it.

If you pull into my driveway at night and approach my house, my dog is going to let me know about it before you get out of your car. I’m theorizing here that dad might have done exactly as I would do: check to see what the dog’s barking at and see that it’s a car pulling into the driveway, then put the dog away and go to the door. Unless I think there’s immediate danger, I don’t want that dog at my feet raising a ruckus when I’m trying to answer the door and figure out who it is and what they want.

This would totally explain why dad was initially killed at the doorway and why the dog was unharmed. I’d also theorize that this suggests dad knew somebody was approaching and didn’t feel that it was an immediate threat - and that to me is significant. It tells me that dad obviously didn’t see somebody toting a 12 gauge up towards the house or anything else that appeared to be an immediate threat. However, he didn’t unlock and open the door either which tells me he didn’t recognize who it is.

 

[klind55]

Anything that may have blood spatter on it would be taken. They may think it has bloody fingerprints on it if he pushed it out if the way if Jayme was throwing things trying to protect herself.

I dont think anyone was planning a trip. Any and all items are taken If they think it may have evidence on it.

They have already said Jayme is not a runaway.

They don't take everything from a crime scene with blood splattered on it, that could be impossible. You would have flooring, furniture, walls ect.

 

[Jax49]

Do you have a link for the sheriff saying James opened the doir to LE?

There are links that mistakenly state that, but the sheriff has clarified. Father was deceased when LE arrived.

ETA Link:
Clarification: Chilling details revealed in dispatch record

He said when the deputies arrived at the house, James was found dead at the door.

bbm

 

[Medstudies]

Do you have a link for the sheriff saying James opened the doir to LE?

'A lot of yelling' was heard in grim 911 call made the morning 13-year-old Jayme Closs vanished | Daily Mail Online
From this article:

• “Jayme's father answered the door while wounded for the officers before dying “ ...

...teenage daughter Jayme Closs is believed to have been at home at the time of the call but was gone by the time officers arrived, which was less than 10 minutes later, the 911 call log showed, as reported by Fox News on Friday.

Her wounded father answered the door for police before dying from the gunshots, Fox News reported based on its interpretation of the log.” (All BBM)

 

[Inthedetails]

However, he didn’t unlock and open the door either which tells me he didn’t recognize who it is.

Snipped by me.

Or...he did recognize who it was and knew it was a threat.

IDK.

jmo

 

[zecats]

It’s a major roadway leading to and from a casino. I know it’s not bumper to bumper LA traffic but I stand by what I said. Enough traffic that a single car wouldn’t be noticeable to officers arriving.

If perp was local or familiar with the area, he may/would avoid the arriving LE, who presumedly would be coming on main roads. There seem to be some side roads that parallel the main road.

ETA Link to map locations Google Maps

 

[CocoChanel]

one thing that bug me to death, there is no pleas for her safe return, no organized searches, no sense of urgency . Just maybe they do have a clue? or maybe absolutely nothing.

BBM and snipped by me....
I know several Websleuthers have talked about this and are troubled by it. I can think of several reasons for it, the best being they know where Jayme is and that she is safe, and they are keeping the lid on it until they can arrest the suspect. But that seems highly unlikely. Other reasons could be family privacy, and LE advising against it. I just have never thought those family appeals on the news would result in a criminal releasing a person taken against their will. Do we have any examples of family public pleas being a factor in a successful outcome of a missing person case?

 

[DocBrew]

'A lot of yelling' was heard in grim 911 call made the morning 13-year-old Jayme Closs vanished | Daily Mail Online
From this article:

• “Jayme's father answered the door while wounded for the officers before dying “ ...

...teenage daughter Jayme Closs is believed to have been at home at the time of the call but was gone by the time officers arrived, which was less than 10 minutes later, the 911 call log showed, as reported by Fox News on Friday.

Her wounded father answered the door for police before dying from the gunshots, Fox News reported based on its interpretation of the log.” (All BBM)

Oh wow. The father answered the door for LE? I wander if this is how they know Jayme was taken?

 

[elektroangel]

I think you need to watch more gangster movies.

If she was trafficked as payment?

Sorry this is in response to @human question. Quoted the wrong one.

 

[Jax49]

Oh wow. The father answered the door for LE? I wander if this is how they know Jayme was taken?

No, he didn't per the sheriff. He was already deceased.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I feel like that's a bit hyperbolic . This area has one of the lowest crime rates *in the country*. There is almost nowhere in America less violent or dangerous than Barron Conty, Wisconsin.

Not saying things dont happen because obviously....

But there's a lot of people in these threads that are making it sound like there are just gangs of meth-heads roaming the streets of Barron in packs.

It just isn't like that.

That’s not what I’m saying at all. I know all to well what it’s like to live in meth country, and for the most part life goes on as normal and we raise our families without a hitch. The meth culture is a hidden community, outsiders like us don’t even know it’s there until there’s a big arrest nearby and the city demolishes a house down the street because they test it say it’s contaminated from cooking meth. Then you look back and wonder how many times your kids walked past that house and you never even suspected a thing.

Yes, Barron has a meth problem. That much is established fact.

 

[JaneEyre]

Oh wow. The father answered the door for LE? I wander if this is how they know Jayme was taken?

No. That was an interpretation of the log. Another news agency clarified later that he was deceased when they arrived.

 

[Ommmm]

Missing 13-year-old girl was home when parents were shot to death, authorities say

If not a tag placed by the ME, that pink object hanging off of the bag kind of looks like the hand sanitizer things that kids attach to their backpacks. I load my nieces up with them every Christmas.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I have two plausible theories on this:
Peep grabs Jayme and holds gun to her head to ensure she shuts up. He knows cops coming. So what does he do? He drags her outside under the front porch he knows it’s dark. Cops prob can’t see under the porch without specifically shining light there. But cops aren’t thinking anyone will be hiding there as they see the front door and dead man first so they focus on that. Cops enter residence and he flees with her before more cops arrive. We assume in a car. But what about if they ran? We have no idea what mode of transport they used to get away.

Theory two:
They exit and hide in the woods for some time then proceed out of area when possible. Maybe a back door exit? Into the woods? Into a car parked back there?

While your theory’s are good, and possible, there’s one big loose end.

The dog was Jaymes and if I know dogs and I do, it would be going crazy and following her scent. Especially since a dog has the ability to sense the “fight or flee” hormones adrenaline we emit when upset. I’m wondering if the dog was isolated and perhaps LE didn’t listen to it when they arrived.

I understand the dog would be upset regardless, but it’s still possible since Jayme and the dog were so close that the dog would have pursued her first.

And the other odd thing is the rumor or fact that the father was able to answer the door.

I know adrenaline can cause a last minute show of strength, but is it likely?

LE seems to believe Jayme was alive and was abducted from the House. Did the father tell them that as a dying utterance? Do not know for certain.

Is that the reason the police log was changed from a suicide call to a double homicide a time later? Don’t know

Usually if LE and EMTs arrive and find someone alive skills and medical tech can save lives.

When did EMTs arrive and was Mr. Closs dead at that time, did he die enroute
or at the hospital?

Was he the source of info that Jayme was alive when she was taken?

Where was the dog found?

What did the 911 operator hear on the recorded open call from the mother’s cell phone?


Did Jayme have a boyfriend?

There have been several references to a caregiver and the dog being a service animal. 13-15 is the age I began to trust a child to spend time alone at home.

Was Jayme home alone after school?

Did her parents arrive minutes later with a stranger having entered moments before?

Was one parent home with Jayme and the other areived home a few minutes earlier.


Jayme recently turned 13. That tween stage when daughters sometimes go a bit sideways due to adolescence, horror mones ( my name in dubious honor to my own daughter) and just simply transitioning into lovely young woman. Was Jayme at this stage?

Did Jayme have a developmental issue? An issue if any kind?

Where had the Closs family visited in the days prior to this incident? Is there any cctv coverage to see if anyone was following them or simply watching the Closs family?

Barron is another small town similar to Brooklyn Iowa where Mollie Tibbetts lived.

Are there cameras at the Closs’ place of employment that might shed light on working relationships or any workplace issues?

I would assume one if the very first interviews to occur would have been friends, acquaintances, teachers, and coaches-workers co workers and local registered sex offenders of each family member.

Is it pertinent that Jayme is a beautiful young lady with unique features such as green eyes and strawberry blonde hair?

Were school or dance pictures recently taken and if so the photographer questioned. This would be a very good method to find and target young women with unusual attributes such as strawberry blonde hair and green eyes.

In addition I would assume the people in the police log would also have been questioned. (who were asked to move on after LE observed them repeatedly driving in front of the residence when first responders arrived in response to the 911 call)

I would assume that presently, every cctv, camera and dash cam would have been turned over to identify activity if anyone.

If the casino is close, there may be a goldmine of info in their security system. Especially if the perpetrator needed a place to stay prior to the murders.

Have the cell towers been able to produce every phone in range during the few hours leading up to this incident?