CA - Multiple casualties after 'active shooter' opens fire, Thousand Oaks, 08 Nov 2018

[cybervampira]

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Video shared from inside bar.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1608609169239394

 

[cybervampira]

Live updates: California shooting leaves 12 dead in Thousand Oaks - CNN

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2117472171642630

 

[Isabelle]

Knowing the hell the parents of these young people killed will experience is almost too much to bear.

 

[Jennifer17]

That’s quite broad, tbh. That could be just about anything, then, right? Contraceptives, antidepressants, certain blood pressure meds, some sleep aids, etc. — all can impact mood, emotions, behaviors — maybe it depends on why they’re prescribed?

Birth control pills are not psychotropic but can induce side effects if taken with psychotropic drugs.

 

[human]

The question is, why are they on these drugs?

Because they have mental health issues . For instance, do people question why someone is on insulin?

Brains can be scanned nowadays and they have found that trauma changes the brain. There is much info on this

 

[DefenestrationDoll]

Thousand Oaks gunman was a Marine veteran who often visited the site of the shooting
Back in April, officers in Thousand Oaks, California, responded to a disturbance at the home of Ian David Long.

Long, a 28-year-old who had spent several years with the Marines and served in Afghanistan, was acting somewhat irate and a little irrationally, according to Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean.
A mental health specialist with the crisis team met with him and felt he might be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. But after speaking with him, they decided not to detain him under laws that allow for the temporary detention of people with psychiatric issues.
Seven months later, officers swarmed his home again for a very different reason: a mass shooting.
Ian David Long: What we know about the gunman in the Thousand Oaks bar shooting - CNN

 

[human]

Imo there is a clear difference between one who commits mass shootings and any kind of “normal” person; it is a similar dynamic to this imo:

None of us here would never abduct, rape, kill a child, etc.

Just as none of us here would ever go mow down innocent people, (regardless of whether or not we own a gun and this is a FACT considering many members here have or have had guns....for example IIRC @oceanblueeyes, @Hatfield, @Foxfire or I for example would never do something like this and you guys know that.

So what is that element that makes someone want to kill?

With these mass shooters it’s so much anger, hate, resentment, blaming, narcissism imo and some sort of desensitization.

(Just some brief thoughts as I’m at work darn it—-I would really love to discuss this more with you guys. I’m off all weekend so if anyone isn’t busy... )

People like this exist all over the world. What is the difference that there are not mass shootings ?

BTW, there is a big approach to helping with these very issues, It is called Adverse Childhood Experiences.

Anyone who is interested can google and see the proactive steps being taken to deal with children in trauma and hopefully adults.

War is trauma. People are not meant to kill. People have to be stripped down and then reprogrammed. It does not work really well.

 

[human]

To me, it comes off a little more nihilistic. I'm speculating, obviously. For whatever reason, the shooter is pissed and wants to cause as much damage as possible because perhaps he blames others (an "unfair society") for his perceived failures. Not sure infamy has any value once you're dead, iykwim.

Negative attention is attention.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Birth control pills are not psychotropic but can induce side effects if taken with psychotropic drugs.

In women, contraceptives are also prescribed to treat things like premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD).

Similarly, low testosterone (“low T”) can contribute to severe depression in men. But treatment for things like low-T could have side effects, too. Side effects for both low-T and steroid use can include anger, depression, hostility, anxiety, etc.

But I assume hormones can’t also be psychotropics, right? Searching online, I’m not clear on that answer just yet.

 

[Jennifer17]

In women, contraceptives are also prescribed to treat things like premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD).

Similarly, low testosterone (“low T”) can contribute to severe depression in men. But treatment for things like low-T could have side effects, too. Side effects for both low-T and steroid use can include anger, depression, hostility, anxiety, etc.

But I assume hormones can’t also be psychotropics, right? Searching online, I’m not clear on that answer just yet.

Insulin is a hormone too, but no one would describe that as a psychotropic drug.
The trouble with men with low T taking testosterone is getting the exact dose for each person.

 

[rainynights]

LAPD HQ on Twitter | 1:07 PM (PST) - 8 Nov 2018

Sgt. Ron Helus donned his uniform yesterday as he did for the past 29 years. When gunfire erupted, the @VENTURASHERIFF feared no evil, rushing to unselfishly protect his community. As we stood above the 101 frwy this morning, we saluted a hero that will never be forgotten.



FBI Los Angeles on Twitter | 2:43 PM (PST) - 8 Nov 2018

The FBI Los Angeles family extends our deepest condolences to @VENTURASHERIFF in mourning the loss of Sergeant Ron Helus, who gave his life serving his community. Our sympathies, thoughts and prayers remain with Sgt. Helus’ family and friends during this difficult time. #EOW

 

[DefenestrationDoll]

This is the 4th "soft target" attack in 2 weeks
Wednesday night's shooting marked the fourth "soft target" attack in two weeks, raising questions about how to make these public spaces safer.
"Soft targets" represent simple, daily life. People come and go. They expect to be safe as they pick up a cup of coffee, deposit their paychecks, fill prescriptions or grab a bite to eat. Their guards are down.
America has faced the threat so many times -- at a theater in Aurora, California, at a concert in Las Vegas, at the Boston Marathon. Every school shooting is an attack on a soft target.
The death toll in the four recent incidents has been stunning, with 27 people slain:

• Two shoppers gunned down October 24 in the parking lot and inside a Kroger in Jefferson, Kentucky.
• Eleven people attending Shabbat services killed October 27 when an armed man walked into a Pittsburgh synagogue. Six people were wounded, including four responding police officers.
• Two women, a physician and a college senior, shot to death November 2 inside a yoga studio in Tallahassee, Florida. The gunman wounded four other people.
• And on Wednesday, 12 people killed and more than a dozen injured when a masked man opened fire inside a bar in Thousand Oaks, California.

Live updating: Live updates: California shooting leaves 12 dead in Thousand Oaks - CNN

 

[MaryG12]

I had to look up the definition of psychotropic drugs. It appears that many of the drugs that a lot of folks take, just look at late night TV and Drug side effects, are included. Just normal everyday drugs. Just like those to quit smoking, birth control pills, anti-anxiety, etc etc.

Here is the Google definition

"Medical Definition of Psychotropic drug. Psychotropic drug: Any drug capable of affecting the mind, emotions, and behavior"

Maybe the individuals taking these drugs shouldn't. Also - why are so many people on these meds? Have they no other means to deal with their troubles?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

In women, co< respectfully snipped>
But I assume hormones can’t also be psychotropics, right? Searching online, I’m not clear on that answer just yet.

In my case, absolutely they were. But it took my friends to notice it when I was in my late teens and early twenties for me to stop taking women hormones aka in late 70's..birth control pills.

 

[MaryG12]

Our people see every day that if you hate someone, they deserve to die. That's what the prevailing mode of thought is in this country, it seems. I love the U.S. for many reasons, but if i ever have the chance to leave, I will. It's unsafe and full of nastiness. I'm sorry if someone thinks that's unpatriotic, but this isn't what the U.S. should be! We're capable of so much but we'd rather destroy everyone else and ourselves instead.

Actually the desensitization of America has been going on for some time now, I remember when my dear late Mother would make comments about it while watching the news, Dad would be more succinct and just say the nation is in a handbasket headed downstairs. I sometimes wonder if what they saw on the news eventually caused them to die.

What started out as rudeness and crudeness, socially acceptable "freedom of speech" in public (actually a misinterpretation of the first Amendment),, dropping the F-bomb including its liturgical variations in public, the granting of the right to be rude and crude, verbal attacks, to others for no reason at all, truly frightens me - and these mass shootings - people so desensitized they have no consciences at all - frightens me. Verbally attacking the wrong person - like the person who has a gun - is mindless.

Hopefully some here are aware that the so-called "freedom of speech", the slippery slope that it is on, can even cover mass shootings. "Oh, he was just expressing himself." it seems like we hear that too much nowadays - sometimes known as "freedom of expression". Unfortunately, a mass shooting in a club is not anything like dying one's hair another color.

Our society really needs to straighten itself out, and fast.

The United States is no longer a polite society.

This will be my last post on this thread.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

How heartbreaking for this poor Dad, he heard about the shooting and knowing his son was at the bar tracked Cody's phone only to realise it was motionless inside the club

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Cody Coffman in 2013. Picture: FacebookSource:Facebook

IT WAS just before 1am when Jason Coffman was told by some of his son’s friends that there had been a shooting at Borderline Bar, a venue he knew his 22-year-old by Cody was at.
Fearing the worst, Mr Coffman tracked his son’s phone and realised it was sitting motionless inside the club.
“It’s there,” Mr Coffman told CNN. “It’s not moving, that’s the problem.”

 

[mistivon]

Yes, he broke my heart

 

[not.a.muggle]

Maybe the individuals taking these drugs shouldn't. Also - why are so many people on these meds? Have they no other means to deal with their troubles?

Such as? Please don't say nature and exercise.

 

[Inthedetails]

In my case, absolutely they were. But it took my friends to notice it when I was in my late teens and early twenties for me to stop taking women hormones aka in late 70's..birth control pills.

I hear you!

When I was on birth control pills, I figured they worked because they put my in such a terrible mood that nobody would want to have sex with me! I joked about it, but they seriously made me feel terrible, not at all like myself. I wasn't on them long, despite my doctor looking at me funny when I complained about how the pills made me feel. The experience made me think that drugs are definitely not one size fit all and not the answer to everything. (I don't react well to most medication and even alcohol. I don't like any of it, but that's me. Others react differently.)

I know doctors do their best to make the proper Rx and get the dosage right, but it's hard. I think we don't understand yet all the complications and complexities.

jmo

 

[gitana1]

I'm just devastated. This makes the 307th mass shooting this year. I think these people need to start being called terrorists. That's exactly what they are doing. And anyone found to have encouraged or aided them needs to be outed publicly and investigated. You have to break up terrorist rings and punish whoever is radicalizing them.

They are terrorists. What else? Terrorists also have PTSD and mental health issues. Feelings of alienation and powerlessness. Isssues with masculinity and sex.

There are commonalities. <modsnip>