AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #28

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Since I worked there back when, I know people who still do and people who, like the Closses, that have worked there most of their lives. Turnover is high but day shift and other positions once one works their way up holds employees better. Office, cafeteria, maintenance, etc. probably retains employees better. Line work, however, probably far less so. Without going into too much more detail, one of my main theories is this was work or work/drug related. I am not saying the victims did drugs but it doesn't mean they did not see it go on or pick up on something like that or another crime.

The PT works there too as all know so that kind of gives you an idea of the fact that there are people with records for varieties of crimes who are hired and do work there. There are also many in and out with regard to trucks, deliveries, etc. Some employees also work between the plant in Barron and the ones in MN, or at least it used to be that way and I imagine it still is.

His charges/arrests include violence, guns, meth and car theft, and more. I guess my thought would be was there a "route" between Barron, WI and MN plants where someone was including something with "shipments" that shouldn't have been... And maybe JC found out?
I think your possible linkage makes sense-at least as much as any others. James did work in the area where product was shipped out. He probably did not regularly work on Sunday's and may have "seen" something he was not intended to see -less management and over site on Sunday's??
The killer in the Wilmar case said "it had to be done ".
Certainly good food for thought
 
I think your possible linkage makes sense-at least as much as any others. James did work in the area where product was shipped out. He probably did not regularly work on Sunday's and may have "seen" something he was not intended to see -less management and over site on Sunday's??
The killer in the Wilmar case said "it had to be done ".
Certainly good food for thought
Things that make u go hmmm
 
I do not dismiss the neighbors...just think they may have been really off on the time, or what they heard...or even which night. The “excitement” of the news of a double murder may have factored in...jmo

I think you're right. It's a bit strange to just dismiss the neighbours story of hearing gunshots, especially as there is so little evidence in this case. If Mrs S had misread the clock in the bedroom and it had said 12.58 instead of 12.38 plus it was 7 minutes fast then that would place the shots around 12.51, which means it was only a couple of minutes before the 911 call was made. I don't know why the Sheriff never sent anyone to check the neighbours clock to see if it was 7 minutes fast, and why have they never had someone placed in the neighbours home while firing a couple of shots off outside the Closs property just to see if you can hear them from that distance? Only small details i know but every little helps!
 
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Anderson Dairy Systems is right at the intersection nearest the Closs home. According to the dispatch log they used their parking lot to stage early searches (within the first 24 hours). I think it was more of a proximity thing, rather than a "we have evidence pointing here" thing.
 
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OR did the perp come up to the house, use that gizmo on the glass door that holds it open so he had both hands free.Perhaps that is why the glass door was taken away, to thoroughly test for finger prints.
Another question for you gun users, can you shoot effectively with gloves on? Like get your finger into the trigger place?
very good idea about the door!! it would have been hard to hold the door open and kick the other one in
 
Anderson Dairy Systems is right at the intersection nearest the Closs home. According to the dispatch log they used their parking lot to stage early searches (within the first 24 hours). I think it was more of a proximity thing, rather than a "we have evidence pointing here" thing.
Thank you. I couldnt remember exactly what happened there.
 
Ugh. Yes. Finally. So I imagine what “the FBI told them” is also malarkey. (Reminder: “help” is the only discernible word on the 911 audio tape.)

what never made sense for me was that they said LE told them their clock was seven minutes off. It strikes me as very odd that they weren't aware their clock was wrong and had to be told. Sensationalist media do much harm to ongoing investigations when they pay for stories that are misleading. JMO
 
I had not heard that. I can believe between gas stations and home cams/deer cams etc. that could be true. I do not think the casino's would go that far but who knows? It might mean nothing but I find it interesting at least on the call log it shows calling the casino. Barron is much, much closer and I am unsure about cameras but I would assume at least Kwik Trip in Barron has one. Gas drive-offs, etc. No calls to the gas stations in Turtle Lake either. At least not on the log which may mean not a dam__ single thing. But the call to the casino simply could have been they are going to have the best cameras in this rural area of anyone around so it would be the first place and most likely place to request video from. Things like this do not happen there so what in the area might have brought someone like that to their house?
But there are so many different roads they could have taken between the house and the casino. Like I said I pictured it being much closer due to the fact it was called on so soon. Why not go to the closest gas station first?
I was thinking how odd it would be if I was murdered and the first place they call up is the Walmart 14 miles away from me in a different town. Now if I had a receipt in my hand from an hour before I could see that. I'm starting to wonder about it and now I get why so many people were asking if James had been there that day.
 
But there are so many different roads they could have taken between the house and the casino. Like I said I pictured it being much closer due to the fact it was called on so soon. Why not go to the closest gas station first?
I was thinking how odd it would be if I was murdered and the first place they call up is the Walmart 14 miles away from me in a different town. Now if I had a receipt in my hand from an hour before I could see that. I'm starting to wonder about it and now I get why so many people were asking if James had been there that day.

One thing that I started thinking about is that the perp probably needed some place to stop and compose themselves. Perhaps wash up, or something like that, so I'm trying to think of places that would be open at that time (already noticing that places are few and far between, especially since some of the bars in the area close early on Sundays). Going West from the crime scene, there isn't a whole lot until you get closer to Turtle Lake. I'm guessing that's why the casino was considered a place to immediately look at. It is along a possible route of escape, and would have been open at the time the person was fleeing the scene.
 
Did LE ever provide a reason why the perp who stole Jayme's clothing was cleared of involvement in murder and kidnapping?

They did clear him and almost immediately said he didn’t have car so he’s not the perp.
Always thought that was stunning statement.. do they know the car , or just perp has to have car.. why couldn’t u take jayme on atv 3 miles...

The camera being up... the perp.. immediate dismissal with no car ... that was all strange.. or telling.. think perp is weird and maybe laid in womb wrong .. doesn’t mean someone connected couldn’t have paid him $20 to go get clothes ..
 
But there are so many different roads they could have taken between the house and the casino. Like I said I pictured it being much closer due to the fact it was called on so soon. Why not go to the closest gas station first?
I was thinking how odd it would be if I was murdered and the first place they call up is the Walmart 14 miles away from me in a different town. Now if I had a receipt in my hand from an hour before I could see that. I'm starting to wonder about it and now I get why so many people were asking if James had been there that day.

There's not really much of anything between the Casino and the house. Police all came from the opposite direction (from town of Barron) and their dash cams didn't pass any cars. The Casino has high resolution, high quality cameras-- probably much better than Walmart-- and their cameras face the highway. I'm of the opinion that the casino cameras might be the only reason they knew one of the cars was red or orange. JMO.

Google Maps
You can see their cameras from a streetview: Google Maps
 
Most posters have concluded that Jayme was the target. IF so, if, if... the killer didn't simply go to the house, thinking maybe there was a young girl there. IMO there was prior contact. Three possibilities:
1. Stalking. It does not appear this is the case because the sheriff has not identified cars hanging around before the incident.
2. Face to face contact. Jayme was 13, at an age where constant supervision is not the usual mode of operation. We have previously posted our errors in judgment at that age, and that could be the case here. Did anyone see Jayme talking to someone perhaps after school, or did Jayme go to all x-country practices, per schedule? How often was she alone?
3. Online conact. What kind of a person was Jayme? Did she spend a lot of time online?

IMO the killer, if he targeted Jayme, knew her from somewhere previously. Where? How? Surely someone - a classmate perhaps - saw something.
 
There's not really much of anything between the Casino and the house. Police all came from the opposite direction (from town of Barron) and their dash cams didn't pass any cars. The Casino has high resolution, high quality cameras-- probably much better than Walmart-- and their cameras face the highway. I'm of the opinion that the casino cameras might be the only reason they knew one of the cars was red or orange. JMO.

Google Maps
You can see their cameras from a streetview: Google Maps

We posted nearly at the same time with similar thoughts.

The only other thing I can see that would be open that night going West towards the Casino is the Turtle Lake Laundromat. So, if the perp needed to stop, the number of places is very small, and limited to the Turtle Lake area (heading West). If nothing shows up there, one almost has to believe that they were certainly local to the area, and never went that far out of Barron.
 
I worked at JennieO in Barron many decades ago and it was called Jerome's then (before it was sold). I can tell you that drugs were rampant even then and not overly hidden. One could go into the restroom on break and the majority of people were sharing them or selling them talking about them and did not care if all heard or saw. This was an evening shift. While there were no large numbers of different ethnicities in that day, there was an extremely high turnover and it was one of those places, imho, that would hire without much vetting of employees simply because of that. Much of the work is in cold, wet conditions and it is hard work. Employees also came from long distances or neighboring counties to work. As I said in an earlier post, Rice Lake is the biggest town around for an hour at least in most directions and two hours in some. Jerome's was and probably still is one of the biggest employers in quite a huge radius.

Since I worked there back when, I know people who still do and people who, like the Closses, that have worked there most of their lives. Turnover is high but day shift and other positions once one works their way up holds employees better. Office, cafeteria, maintenance, etc. probably retains employees better. Line work, however, probably far less so. Without going into too much more detail, one of my main theories is this was work or work/drug related. I am not saying the victims did drugs but it doesn't mean they did not see it go on or pick up on something like that or another crime.

The PT works there too as all know so that kind of gives you an idea of the fact that there are people with records for varieties of crimes who are hired and do work there. There are also many in and out with regard to trucks, deliveries, etc. Some employees also work between the plant in Barron and the ones in MN, or at least it used to be that way and I imagine it still is.

One thing that also bothers me to this day is the body found in Willmar, MN, since
identified. Later I found on the very same day a red or orange Challenger was stopped in Willmar (this was in a MN paper I saw later). While the car was stopped, it was let go.
One thing that also bothers me to this day is the body found in Willmar, MN, since
identified. Later I found on the very same day a red or orange Challenger was stopped in Willmar (this was in a MN paper I saw later). While the car was stopped, it was let go. <modsnip - discussing other forums, sleuthing non-POI>

I apologize for the length of this post and promise they will not all be so long :)

Very interesting.. great post ..do you know drug testing now at Jeanie o ... is it one flag gone .. testing done with outside co or in house??
 
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We posted nearly at the same time with similar thoughts.

The only other thing I can see that would be open that night going West towards the Casino is the Turtle Lake Laundromat. So, if the perp needed to stop, the number of places is very small, and limited to the Turtle Lake area (heading West). If nothing shows up there, one almost has to believe that they were certainly local to the area, and never went that far out of Barron.

They would not have even needed to stop there to be caught on camera driving by. Multiple cameras can be seen on the building only about 20-40 feet or so from the highway. The thing is, we don't even know if police got any useful video from the casino, we just know the casino was contacted and they have cameras on the hwy. If nothing showed up on the casino cameras police could deduce they turned somewhere before the casinos. It's possible then they were caught on some other cameras. I think there's a good chance the cars were seen on the casino camera speeding by but I'm only guessing.
 
They would not have even needed to stop there to be caught on camera driving by. Multiple cameras can be seen on the building only about 20-40 feet or so from the highway. The thing is, we don't even know if police got any useful video from the casino, we just know the casino was contacted and they have cameras on the hwy. If nothing showed up on the casino cameras police could deduce they turned somewhere before the casinos. It's possible then they were caught on some other cameras. I think there's a good chance the cars were seen on the casino camera speeding by but I'm only guessing.

I'm wondering if they took into account "doubling back" as well. There is the possibility of the escape route heading north and hitting 18th Avenue, which would allow them to flee Eastward (above Barron) and towards Rice Lake. I would hope LE has looked into anywhere that may have had 24 hour surveillance along that route (all the way into Rice Lake). Once into Rice Lake, you immediately have several hotels, a 24-hour Walmart, a 24-hour Kwik-Trip gas station, etc. There could be even more along that route (I'm going off of Google Maps).
 
Most posters have concluded that Jayme was the target. IF so, if, if... the killer didn't simply go to the house, thinking maybe there was a young girl there. IMO there was prior contact. Three possibilities:
1. Stalking. It does not appear this is the case because the sheriff has not identified cars hanging around before the incident.
2. Face to face contact. Jayme was 13, at an age where constant supervision is not the usual mode of operation. We have previously posted our errors in judgment at that age, and that could be the case here. Did anyone see Jayme talking to someone perhaps after school, or did Jayme go to all x-country practices, per schedule? How often was she alone?
3. Online conact. What kind of a person was Jayme? Did she spend a lot of time online?

IMO the killer, if he targeted Jayme, knew her from somewhere previously. Where? How? Surely someone - a classmate perhaps - saw something.

4. Perp saw her in public somewhere or standing by the bus stop one day and no contact was made. Staked out the house and determined security was minimal/escape route easy and came back and got her with force. Since no connection has been made between anyone who knew her or her family I lean toward a random perp like this. In another case, 13 year old Hania's abductor and murderer was just arrested and he has no connection to her or her family. These types of stranger abductions occur and they are the most difficult to solve. JMO.
 
How would LE even know what make, model, and year of car/cars they were looking for from the cameras? Any and all of them would be suspect. Except for a really broad window in the time line and figuring how long it would take a car to go the fourteen miles what else would narrow the criteria? Nothing.
 
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