AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #28

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“Rodriguez said the last time she heard from Medellin was at 3:42 p.m. Oct. 24 as he was reportedly returning home to Willmar with a friend after a job orientation at a dairy farm.”

Two to be charged with second-degree murder in death of central...

It does sound like this young man was trying to turn his life around. Agree there have been a series of strange events around this case . . . If he was involved (somehow) perhaps people from his past were trying to draw him back in . . . But I’ll stop with that as the only connection between the two cases is towns where Jennie-O has a plant (Barren and Willmar). Will follow and see if anything new emerges.

You worded somewhat what I meant in an even better way. There are a lot of coincidences. I was not there until I saw the car stopped and it added yet another one. I had thought it was a job app or interview and not an orientation. Kind of like the PT, it just has some things that leave me not able to entirely dismiss it. Strange events but without this case, they would probably seem like nothing otherwise. I doubt I would have even heard of the death in Willmar but for this case, because people are looking and trying to help.
 
I'm wondering if they took into account "doubling back" as well. There is the possibility of the escape route heading north and hitting 18th Avenue, which would allow them to flee Eastward (above Barron) and towards Rice Lake. I would hope LE has looked into anywhere that may have had 24 hour surveillance along that route (all the way into Rice Lake). Once into Rice Lake, you immediately have several hotels, a 24-hour Walmart, a 24-hour Kwik-Trip gas station, etc. There could be even more along that route (I'm going off of Google Maps).

I agree and I think they did collect video from a certain radius around the house. After a certain amount of time LE announced they had expanded the radius they were looking at and were requesting video from farther away. I really hope they are tracking someone by seeing the same people/cars on video in multiple places. It takes a lot of time to review thousands of hours worth of video.
 
We posted nearly at the same time with similar thoughts.

The only other thing I can see that would be open that night going West towards the Casino is the Turtle Lake Laundromat. So, if the perp needed to stop, the number of places is very small, and limited to the Turtle Lake area (heading West). If nothing shows up there, one almost has to believe that they were certainly local to the area, and never went that far out of Barron.
I've been thinking for awhile that the perp(s) left the Closs residence headed West. Once they got to the next crossroad the vehicle went North or South. No telling what direction was taken next.
 
How would LE even know what make, model, and year of car/cars they were looking for from the cameras? Any and all of them would be suspect. Except for a really broad window in the time line and figuring how long it would take a car to go the fourteen miles what else would narrow the criteria? Nothing.

They know about what time the suspect(s) left the house due to the 911 call. From that they can estimate a time frame of when they would have been driving past any given point. There likely were not very many cars on the road that time of night/early morning. They may have even had more than 2 cars on video but perhaps located those drivers and cleared them prior to releasing the info about the two vehicles of interest. The vehicles they released were of interest because LE had not located the drivers and they were in the area of the Closs house at the time of the crime. JMO.
 
There have been hints of the neighbors account being incorrect since the beginning:

1. LE never mentioned the neighbors as witnesses before, never mentioned anyone heard 12:31 gunshots at all. It never came up in a press conference.

2. The sheriff said "If it does not come from this podium, it is not credible information" while the neighbors went on their media rounds and made money from the gossip rags like Radar and Daily Mail.

3. The sheriff asked for witnesses who were on Hwy 8 from 12:30 to 1:30 the night of the crime. This time frame did not account for shots heard at 12:31-- as they would assumingly want witnesses for a good amount of time before the first shots were fired that could have seen cars driving towards the house.

4. The sheriff specifically said on the Dryden radio interview the perp or perps were in the house for a very short time and "it's not as if they were in the house for 25 minutes" (my paraphrase).

5. There was evidence of more than 2 gunshots at the scene. LEOs reported "Multiple rounds spent" before finding Denise's body. We saw the chair that looked like it had been shot or had a bullet in it.

6. The neighbors story constantly changed -- They were asleep, then they were not asleep just in bed, then they they went outside at one point but didn't hear or see anything. First the second shot was louder, then the second shot was more muffled. At one point they said 2:31 instead of 12:31. It was a big gun or it was a hand gun, it might have been a car backfiring. They didn't know the family had kids but they saw Jayme getting off the school bus every day. Etc, Etc. The contradictions were all over the place-- the only thing that stayed the same was 2 gunshots and that doesn't match what we know about the scene.

I'm glad Fitzgerald finally came out and said the neighbors' story is unsubstantiated. MOO.

I agree with all of what you stated. Was pretty much at the same point for the same reasons. Coming out and verifying it is unsubstantiated though helps put it to rest and the speculation which I do as well whether if it was fact or not. It still nags me some as it could play in a different way but not as far as the time line at the residence it seems. jmo.
 
Very interesting.. great post ..do you know drug testing now at Jeanie o ... is it one flag gone .. testing done with outside co or in house??

No idea nowadays, i'm old lol in the days i was there there was no such thing. but in years after that but years before now, I know of people who passed it and joked about it or so the "stories" go.
 
They know about what time the suspect(s) left the house due to the 911 call. From that they can estimate a time frame of when they would have been driving past any given point. There likely were not very many cars on the road that time of night/early morning. They may have even had more than 2 cars on video but perhaps located those drivers and cleared them prior to releasing the info about the two vehicles of interest. The vehicles they released were of interest because LE had not located the drivers and they were in the area of the Closs house at the time of the crime. JMO.
How do they know what cars were in the area of the Closs house at the time of the crime? I didn't think there were cameras around that area, down Highway 8.
 
But there are so many different roads they could have taken between the house and the casino. Like I said I pictured it being much closer due to the fact it was called on so soon. Why not go to the closest gas station first?
I was thinking how odd it would be if I was murdered and the first place they call up is the Walmart 14 miles away from me in a different town. Now if I had a receipt in my hand from an hour before I could see that. I'm starting to wonder about it and now I get why so many people were asking if James had been there that day.

I very much agree with you and you made the point better than I. I thought in the beginning, wow, everyone thinks because there is a casino everyone lives at it or goes to it and I thought it was highly unlikely. A couple with a child, school the next day, etc. Then the call log showed a call to them. But again, it could be just because it probably has the best cameras around of anywhere? I just found it odd, there is a gas station in Almena, a few in Barron, a few in Turtle Lake where the casino is and there was nothing noted about calling those? But I do not know how those logs work and how important they are or even whether they note everything.
 
How do they know what cars were in the area of the Closs house at the time of the crime? I didn't think there were cameras around that area, down Highway 8.

From video from houses and businesses. They don't have to have video right at the Closs house. They never specified how close these cars were to the house. They just said they were seen in the area around the time of the crime. JMO.
 
How do they know what cars were in the area of the Closs house at the time of the crime? I didn't think there were cameras around that area, down Highway 8.

Simply put, they don't know. However by estimating the time that it would take to get to a certain camera from the Closs home, they can look at a specific timestamp. Any cars seen during that period would be investigated.

For example - If it they believe the perps left the house at 12:30 (just using a random time), and it would take a driver 5-7 minutes to reach a certain camera, they would examine any car appearing in the frames from 12:35-12:37 and see if they can locate the owner and clear them.
 
I very much agree with you and you made the point better than I. I thought in the beginning, wow, everyone thinks because there is a casino everyone lives at it or goes to it and I thought it was highly unlikely. A couple with a child, school the next day, etc. Then the call log showed a call to them. But again, it could be just because it probably has the best cameras around of anywhere? I just found it odd, there is a gas station in Almena, a few in Barron, a few in Turtle Lake where the casino is and there was nothing noted about calling those? But I do not know how those logs work and how important they are or even whether they note everything.

It just seems since there are side roads as you mentioned, and even if they headed towards Barron, they could take a side street and easily get out of town without passing LE, the focus has been on the main route so an educated guess is there is a reason for that? I have no knowledge of that, just that all searches, etc. seem to be that way, as are the cameras and footage requested or mentioned. However, there is much not shared probably so we could be way wrong on that. For all we know, they have looked down the side roads and into that.
 
Is it legal for LE to sit in Jayme's driveway and take pictures of the cars that passed that spot during the time she was waiting alone for the school bus and then investigate any drivers who fit the criteria?
 
But there are so many different roads they could have taken between the house and the casino. Like I said I pictured it being much closer due to the fact it was called on so soon. Why not go to the closest gas station first?
I was thinking how odd it would be if I was murdered and the first place they call up is the Walmart 14 miles away from me in a different town. Now if I had a receipt in my hand from an hour before I could see that. I'm starting to wonder about it and now I get why so many people were asking if James had been there that day.

It could be nothing but your thoughts are like mine on this theory. A receipt from an ATM for cash, a couple of 50c blackjack chips thrown on the counter, etc. Then again, it could just be that they have cameras and it is a rural area with few.
 
My own theory on this case is that Jayme was the target all the time, and that it might be someone connected to James' hunting group. The Sheriff has said that he believes James and Denise were killed instantly, which suggests someone used to handling a gun. A hunter can take out an animal pretty swiftly, so i would imagine they can do the same to a human too.

Maybe James had invited the group back for a beer at sometime after a hunting session? The perp takes a liking (for want of a better word) to Jayme, and over a course of weeks/months formulates a plan to take her. He knows where they live. it's isolated, knows the layout of the property and maybe even knows James locks his guns away after a shoot? He chooses a quiet Sunday night, gets James to answer the door somehow (or kicks it in), kills James and Denise and takes Jayme - mission accomplished in 4 minutes.

I'm not sure where the 911 call fits into this but i'm working on it. All MOO of course.
 
I worked at JennieO in Barron many decades ago and it was called Jerome's then (before it was sold). I can tell you that drugs were rampant even then and not overly hidden. One could go into the restroom on break and the majority of people were sharing them or selling them talking about them and did not care if all heard or saw. This was an evening shift. While there were no large numbers of different ethnicities in that day, there was an extremely high turnover and it was one of those places, imho, that would hire without much vetting of employees simply because of that. Much of the work is in cold, wet conditions and it is hard work. Employees also came from long distances or neighboring counties to work. As I said in an earlier post, Rice Lake is the biggest town around for an hour at least in most directions and two hours in some. Jerome's was and probably still is one of the biggest employers in quite a huge radius.

Since I worked there back when, I know people who still do and people who, like the Closses, that have worked there most of their lives. Turnover is high but day shift and other positions once one works their way up holds employees better. Office, cafeteria, maintenance, etc. probably retains employees better. Line work, however, probably far less so. Without going into too much more detail, one of my main theories is this was work or work/drug related. I am not saying the victims did drugs but it doesn't mean they did not see it go on or pick up on something like that or another crime.

The PT works there too as all know so that kind of gives you an idea of the fact that there are people with records for varieties of crimes who are hired and do work there. There are also many in and out with regard to trucks, deliveries, etc. Some employees also work between the plant in Barron and the ones in MN, or at least it used to be that way and I imagine it still is.

One thing that also bothers me to this day is the body found in Willmar, MN, since
identified. Later I found on the very same day a red or orange Challenger was stopped in Willmar (this was in a MN paper I saw later). While the car was stopped, it was let go.
One thing that also bothers me to this day is the body found in Willmar, MN, since
identified. Later I found on the very same day a red or orange Challenger was stopped in Willmar (this was in a MN paper I saw later). While the car was stopped, it was let go. <modsnip - discussing other forums, sleuthing non-POI>

I apologize for the length of this post and promise they will not all be so long :)

Thanks for loads of info on your past employment, ilovechili, to Jerome's, sold, now called JennieO. Perhaps some of these facts, may apply today, regarding the availability of drugs.

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MOO.
 
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From video from houses and businesses. They don't have to have video right at the Closs house. They never specified how close these cars were to the house. They just said they were seen in the area around the time of the crime. JMO.

I don’t know where they were spotted.. or if was they couldn’t tie to local house..

The farm right down road has to have cameras galore u would think.. a lot of equipment they have as to cost 100k to 300k.. you’d think 5/6 cameras that overlap highway...

The police made big search to turtle lake.. is it there belief that’s where perp went. That direction?? That seems opposite what I thought.. hope they have car and camer trail by now ...
 
Most posters have concluded that Jayme was the target. IF so, if, if... the killer didn't simply go to the house, thinking maybe there was a young girl there. IMO there was prior contact. Three possibilities:
1. Stalking. It does not appear this is the case because the sheriff has not identified cars hanging around before the incident.
2. Face to face contact. Jayme was 13, at an age where constant supervision is not the usual mode of operation. We have previously posted our errors in judgment at that age, and that could be the case here. Did anyone see Jayme talking to someone perhaps after school, or did Jayme go to all x-country practices, per schedule? How often was she alone?
3. Online conact. What kind of a person was Jayme? Did she spend a lot of time online?

IMO the killer, if he targeted Jayme, knew her from somewhere previously. Where? How? Surely someone - a classmate perhaps - sa

I can see where she could be but my instinct from day one has been one or both of the parents were the main target or someone hit the wrong house. I guess I am one o
Thanks for loads of info on your past employment, ilovechili, to Jerome's, sold, now called JennieO. Perhaps some of these facts, may apply today, regarding the availability of drugs.

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MOO.

Just pointing out things that stand out to me. Just as much of a theory as anyone's. I also have a casino one which I mentioned. In the beginning, I thought it was far fetched but no more than any crazy thing and the little we know. I just hope something will spur something, this girl hopefully has a chance so far as we know.
 
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The site isnt allowing me to quote, but in reference to the dairy farm, wasnt there a dairy farm searched very early on in this case? Like the first day or so?
I remember that the police had requested to park at the dairy farm very early. I looked it up and it is in the dispatch log at 13:49 on 10/15. It was at the Anderson Dairy at 1312 Highway 8. The buildings & house there were searched and cleared. It is page 6 of the dispatch log.
 
I can see where she could be but my instinct from day one has been one or both of the parents were the main target or someone hit the wrong house. I guess I am one o


Just pointing out things that stand out to me. Just as much of a theory as anyone's. I also have a casino one which I mentioned. In the beginning, I thought it was far fetched but no more than any crazy thing and the little we know. I just hope something will spur something, this girl hopefully has a chance so far as we know.
Thanks for loads of info on your past employment, ilovechili, to Jerome's, sold, now called JennieO. Perhaps some of these facts, may apply today, regarding the availability of drugs.

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MOO.

It hasn't changed, if anything it is probably worse. Not blaming corporate or anyone in particular, it
I remember that the police had requested to park at the dairy farm very early. I looked it up and it is in the dispatch log at 13:49 on 10/15. It was at the Anderson Dairy at 1312 Highway 8. The buildings & house there were searched and cleared. It is page 6 of the dispatch log.

I also noted the dairy reference. There was no hint of where, could have been MN and nothing to do with this at all, but no one ever heard from him afterward. Some things as someone said just put your instincts up. There may be no relation at all, but there sure are some coincidences, however, if a person is looking for them, perhaps we would find them everywhere. Like with the Miami thing. And the PT. Maybe the desire to find her safe lends to it all.
 
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Just catching up on this today. Interesting post on the Jennie O plant. Makes me wonder how thorough their background checks are. I wonder if they do drug tests on part-time employees? With all the meth heads and sex offenders in the area, I would hope they would do a background check AND drug test on ALL employees (full time and part time). I worked in an office and they did a background test and a drug test! A co-worker had an old DUI on their record and that person was suspended for two days for "investigation purposes" before they were allowed back to work!! This was because they did not list it as a criminal offense when hired since the DUI was so old. For such a small town, Barron has a high rate of crime, meth heads and sex offenders. From the outside, it looks so serene and nice.
 
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