AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #28

[gipsypup]

I'm having problems adding a quote here, but to answer JRW...
Yes, there is a hotel at the casino. I know it is on the casino property but I'm not sure if its actually connected to the casino building or located on the property somewhere near the casino. The reviews on the hotel and the property are quite interesting. I wonder how good the security actually is around the hotel and especially around the outside area.

 

[Celt1997]

Does anyone have a link to the picture of the front of the house from the painting company? I tried to find it in the media thread and could not locate one. Thanks in advance.

 

[aliensporebomb]

I am thinking the phone disconnected on its own. Bad signal or dead battery possibly.

I also believe this hypothesis - she'd been on phone calls with both her sisters before and I suspect it may have been on the charger recharging after a days use - someone was able to make a cell call to 911 but the phone may have not had much of a charge. It would be nice to know what type of phone she have to get a feel for its typical battery life. I work in IT and deal with a lot of people with phones and some phones justifiably have a reputation of having poor battery life.

 

[Ragnarok]

Does anyone have a link to the picture of the front of the house from the painting company? I tried to find it in the media thread and could not locate one. Thanks in advance.

My understanding is the painting company removed the pictures.

 

[Seahorseladydi]

I am never here anymore due to lack of updates. So I apologize if this already has been shared. The front door we all thought was the front was actually the patio door. See the pumpkins...

Edited after I got on my computer. Not claiming this to be fact. The only similarities is the decals on the windows, which could just be on both doors. The wood frame on the photos are not the same though. So it makes me question...

These could very well be the same door. The one they are carrying out is just painted. The one in the other photos could be from a previous year. JUST A THOUGHT...I’m just trying to throw other ideas out there too.

 

[Mistermagoo]

My understanding is the painting company removed the pictures.

That pick is also from the painting company

 

[Celt1997]

I am never here anymore due to lack of updates. So I apologize if this already has been shared. The front door we all thought was the front was actually the patio door. See the pumpkins...

Edited after I got on my computer. Not claiming this to be fact. The only similarities is the decals on the windows, which could just be on both doors. The wood frame on the photos are not the same though. So it makes me question...

Is there a source for these images? First I've seen them.

 

[Thekt]

Mine isn't even on the door. Half the time people don't see it and they knock. But I still see them!

Wow! Great view. Where is yours attached?

 

[spiderbud]

Alright I'm thinking outside the box on this one, literally....

5 feet in the house...perp shoots James, Denise (be in another room or bathing) hears the gunshot, calls 911 in the bedroom/bathroom and LEAVES the phone... Denise makes a run for Jayme's room and is killed. Jayme enters the living area from her bedroom and makes a break for the patio door and escapes outside before being caught? EDITED-Perp exits and gives chase outside. Another reason for lack of evidence...thinking out loud

This is one scenerio that comes to mind and could work with the evidence of 5feet. Not sure if it was mentioned in the report but where was the dog found?

 

[aliensporebomb]

Question for anyone with a Ring doorbell: Do you think a Ring doorbell would have helped in this case, by clearly recording the perp who came to the front door? Or would the criminal just kick and destroy the doorbell along with kicking down the door?

If a Ring doorbell is immediately destroyed is a useful video retrievable?

I'm told yes because the data is stored in the cloud somewhere and so if the device is destroyed the data still exists. The approach of the perps would have been recorded.

 

[deugirtni]

I can't read all the posts in this thread, it's just too huge for my timelines.. but.. the article I read last night.. have you guys talked about this?

"According to the family Denise and Jayme were 'inseparable' but they describe a certain disconnect between James and the rest of the family.
He often arrived at events in a separate car as he often left early while Denise would be the last to leave."

Is it possible......... as a potential theory to consider...... that something...... way late at night.... after Jayme was asleep in bed...... the husband/dad got home (from wherever.. whether work, casino, friend's, unknown..)... late... and he and the wife got into it.. 'where have you BEEN??'.. blah blah... a big fight erupts.. husband shoots wife... Jayme goes to her, calls cops.. dad drops the gun and can't believe what he just did.. Jayme grabs the gun and shoots dad.. takes off, has the gun with her..

Of course, that doesn't explain how she got away. on her own, for so long, without being picked up/reported. Doesn't explain where did that gun come from (unless dad happened to have an unregistered gun in addition to his other registered guns?? that could very well be??);

Or.. you know.. other potential 'story lines' come to my mind too.. something with potentially dad coming home perhaps intoxicated (we've heard he likes to drink while watching games, right? so why not other times as well?) very late, while the females are asleep, didn't have his house key, bashes in the door, and then did something bad to the girl, perhaps in his intoxication, and mom catching him... and mayhem erupts as above, except opposite... and same outcome as above.

If Jayme took off on her own by foot, it would explain lack of seeing potential get-away vehicles.. is it possible she went to someone she trusts and they took her out of state or something? Or saw someone driving by that she knew and waved them down and hopped in and went out of state, etc.

Also, did we know that both spouses had been previously married?

"Jennifer said: 'They had both been married before but there was no bad blood there.'"

And I suppose this is out of the question? Or even the other way, that James could have been having an affair?:

"Both she and Suzy dismissed the suggestion, circulating locally, that Denise was having an affair and that a scorned lover carried out the attack after she called it off."

All quotes from this article: Police say kidnapped Wisconsin teen and her parents' killer was in house for FOUR minutes | Daily Mail Online

 

[JaneEyre]

I can't read all the posts in this thread, it's just too huge for my timelines.. but.. the article I read last night.. have you guys talked about this?

"According to the family Denise and Jayme were 'inseparable' but they describe a certain disconnect between James and the rest of the family.
He often arrived at events in a separate car as he often left early while Denise would be the last to leave."

Is it possible......... as a potential theory to consider...... that something...... way late at night.... after Jayme was asleep in bed...... the husband/dad got home (from wherever.. whether work, casino, friend's, unknown..)... late... and he and the wife got into it.. 'where have you BEEN??'.. blah blah... a big fight erupts.. husband shoots wife... Jayme goes to her, calls cops.. dad drops the gun and can't believe what he just did.. Jayme grabs the gun and shoots dad.. takes off, has the gun with her..

Of course, that doesn't explain how she got away. on her own, for so long, without being picked up/reported. Doesn't explain where did that gun come from (unless dad happened to have an unregistered gun in addition to his other registered guns?? that could very well be??);

Or.. you know.. other potential 'story lines' come to my mind too.. something with potentially dad coming home perhaps intoxicated (we've heard he likes to drink while watching games, right? so why not other times as well?) very late, while the females are asleep, didn't have his house key, bashes in the door, and then did something bad to the girl, perhaps in his intoxication, and mom catching him... and mayhem erupts as above, except opposite... and same outcome as above.

If Jayme took off on her own by foot, it would explain lack of seeing potential get-away vehicles.. is it possible she went to someone she trusts and they took her out of state or something? Or saw someone driving by that she knew and waved them down and hopped in and went out of state, etc.

Also, did we know that both spouses had been previously married?

"Jennifer said: 'They had both been married before but there was no bad blood there.'"

And I suppose this is out of the question? Or even the other way, that James could have been having an affair?:

"Both she and Suzy dismissed the suggestion, circulating locally, that Denise was having an affair and that a scorned lover carried out the attack after she called it off."

All quotes from this article: Police say kidnapped Wisconsin teen and her parents' killer was in house for FOUR minutes | Daily Mail Online

Yes, we knew they were both previously married. But no, I don’t believe that with the FBI involved that they would not have figured out such a scenario by now. Nor do I believe that Jayme could have shot her “knight in shining armor” on the spur of the moment.

 

[Seahorseladydi]

I am really starting to wonder why NONE of Jayme’s friends have come forward and talked about any of this, or even really much about Jayme!! It’s been almost TWO months and still all of her friends are so hush, hush. This is just SO ODD for a missing 13 year old. Usually their friends are talking to everyone... they are chatter boxes!!! Yet here, we have crickets..........

 

[Rubiconbob]

I have a doorbell camera integrated with my home security system. It records any activity based on your selection criteria ie, motion activated, ring activated, etc. Any data recorded is stored in the 'cloud' so even if the perp disabled or destroyed it, what was recorded up to that point is recoverable.

I would think if circuit breaker switched off he could avoid doorbell camera or any lights...then Night vision googles..kick in door ... then turkey shoot begins..

Does ring camera capture highway or overlap highway .. hope to goodness somebody does close by?? And got perp coming / going ..

 

[JRW]

I can't read all the posts in this thread, it's just too huge for my timelines.. but.. the article I read last night.. have you guys talked about this?

"According to the family Denise and Jayme were 'inseparable' but they describe a certain disconnect between James and the rest of the family.
He often arrived at events in a separate car as he often left early while Denise would be the last to leave."

Is it possible......... as a potential theory to consider...... that something...... way late at night.... after Jayme was asleep in bed...... the husband/dad got home (from wherever.. whether work, casino, friend's, unknown..)... late... and he and the wife got into it.. 'where have you BEEN??'.. blah blah... a big fight erupts.. husband shoots wife... Jayme goes to her, calls cops.. dad drops the gun and can't believe what he just did.. Jayme grabs the gun and shoots dad.. takes off, has the gun with her..

Of course, that doesn't explain how she got away. on her own, for so long, without being picked up/reported. Doesn't explain where did that gun come from (unless dad happened to have an unregistered gun in addition to his other registered guns?? that could very well be??);

Or.. you know.. other potential 'story lines' come to my mind too.. something with potentially dad coming home perhaps intoxicated (we've heard he likes to drink while watching games, right? so why not other times as well?) very late, while the females are asleep, didn't have his house key, bashes in the door, and then did something bad to the girl, perhaps in his intoxication, and mom catching him... and mayhem erupts as above, except opposite... and same outcome as above.

If Jayme took off on her own by foot, it would explain lack of seeing potential get-away vehicles.. is it possible she went to someone she trusts and they took her out of state or something? Or saw someone driving by that she knew and waved them down and hopped in and went out of state, etc.

Also, did we know that both spouses had been previously married?

"Jennifer said: 'They had both been married before but there was no bad blood there.'"

And I suppose this is out of the question? Or even the other way, that James could have been having an affair?:

"Both she and Suzy dismissed the suggestion, circulating locally, that Denise was having an affair and that a scorned lover carried out the attack after she called it off."

All quotes from this article: Police say kidnapped Wisconsin teen and her parents' killer was in house for FOUR minutes | Daily Mail Online

Some very good alternate ideas. I've been curious why Jame's family is so quiet... Denise's family is also very quiet considering the circumstances.... if it was my sister or brother and niece I would be much more vocal and trying to bring that girl home..something just odd with all of this

 

[Rubiconbob]

I can't read all the posts in this thread, it's just too huge for my timelines.. but.. the article I read last night.. have you guys talked about this?

"According to the family Denise and Jayme were 'inseparable' but they describe a certain disconnect between James and the rest of the family.
He often arrived at events in a separate car as he often left early while Denise would be the last to leave."

Is it possible......... as a potential theory to consider...... that something...... way late at night.... after Jayme was asleep in bed...... the husband/dad got home (from wherever.. whether work, casino, friend's, unknown..)... late... and he and the wife got into it.. 'where have you BEEN??'.. blah blah... a big fight erupts.. husband shoots wife... Jayme goes to her, calls cops.. dad drops the gun and can't believe what he just did.. Jayme grabs the gun and shoots dad.. takes off, has the gun with her..

Of course, that doesn't explain how she got away. on her own, for so long, without being picked up/reported. Doesn't explain where did that gun come from (unless dad happened to have an unregistered gun in addition to his other registered guns?? that could very well be??);

Or.. you know.. other potential 'story lines' come to my mind too.. something with potentially dad coming home perhaps intoxicated (we've heard he likes to drink while watching games, right? so why not other times as well?) very late, while the females are asleep, didn't have his house key, bashes in the door, and then did something bad to the girl, perhaps in his intoxication, and mom catching him... and mayhem erupts as above, except opposite... and same outcome as above.

If Jayme took off on her own by foot, it would explain lack of seeing potential get-away vehicles.. is it possible she went to someone she trusts and they took her out of state or something? Or saw someone driving by that she knew and waved them down and hopped in and went out of state, etc.

Also, did we know that both spouses had been previously married?

"Jennifer said: 'They had both been married before but there was no bad blood there.'"

And I suppose this is out of the question? Or even the other way, that James could have been having an affair?:

"Both she and Suzy dismissed the suggestion, circulating locally, that Denise was having an affair and that a scorned lover carried out the attack after she called it off."

All quotes from this article: Police say kidnapped Wisconsin teen and her parents' killer was in house for FOUR minutes | Daily Mail Online

It has never been confirmed but think the door was shot through.. that and the fact the gun is missing..

Otherwise domestic argument fits...

Less than 12 months ago.. same town dad offed wife and daughter then himself.. probably cops thought not again..

Door / no gun / but won’t discount anything with this little info

 

[JRW]

I am really starting to wonder why NONE of Jayme’s friends have come forward and talked about any of this, or even really much about Jayme!! It’s been almost TWO months and still all of her friends are so hush, hush. This is just SO ODD for a missing 13 year old. Usually their friends are talking to everyone... they are chatter boxes!!! Yet here, we have crickets..........

I agree!! I feel like everyone is being too quiet!!! Friends... Family.... Community Members...

 

[Oakland CA]

I agree!! I feel like everyone is being too quiet!!! Friends... Family.... Community Members...

Community probably following the instructions/suggestion, from sheriff's original town hall meeting, that no one discusses or says anything to anyone..especially media.

 

[human]

I agree!! I feel like everyone is being too quiet!!! Friends... Family.... Community Members...

Do you think they may be terrified of the unknown?

I also have seen in other cases when the perp is revealed, people knew a lot but were not talking except to LE.

I imagine if had anyone who actually lived in Barron on here, we still would not know anything as nothing is allowed unless MSM.

I bet there is a lot of talk in Barron. We just do not know what it is

 

[FruitSnack]

I am really starting to wonder why NONE of Jayme’s friends have come forward and talked about any of this, or even really much about Jayme!! It’s been almost TWO months and still all of her friends are so hush, hush. This is just SO ODD for a missing 13 year old. Usually their friends are talking to everyone... they are chatter boxes!!! Yet here, we have crickets..........

I would not let my daughter go on the news and talk. if the town knows as much as we do, the parents are probably scared to let their kids out ot sigh, no less put them in front of the camera