CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #6

[Elizabeth Lavenza]

Except he isn't being questioned. He has refused to be questioned by the popo so far.

"They say officers have been in touch with the Teller County Department of Human Services regarding Kelsey Berreth’s young daughter." I guess I'm just speculating but I'm guessing it's for care of the child while he's being questioned.
Police: Human Services Contacted In Regards To Missing Mother’s Baby

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

 

[Irmese]

Even with another woman, there is no motive.
Just look at it from a conventional standpoint.
Two people get together and there is pregnancy. Happens. Mom is religious. There is a kid. They move close, both are in kid's life, both carry on with lives/careers, there is a formal/informal parenting plan, no marriage officially on the way, they live separately. There is no divorce in case of another woman. Both participate in child rearing. No domestic violence.
No reason to kill, in my opinion. Anything can be resolved. The guy is spending more money on a criminal lawyer now than he would have spent on any family lawyer.

We don't know PF's motive, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I doubt if it's another woman, unless it's his mother. I think he was just too much of a coward to tell her he didn't want to get married and end the relationship. The baby was a complication. He probably didn't want people to think he was a bad dad by dumping the mom. She may have said if he broke up with her, he would not see the child anymore. He decides to get rid of KB, then he will have the child, which makes him look like a victim to gain sympathy. MOO.

 

[MtBab]

Does PF have any land, hunting cabins, land leases near Gooding? I’ve seen comments that he’s a hunter...does he have a cabin/spot he frequents. Does he have friends, do they know?

 

[spammie]

Oh no, it just occurred to me that PF saying they broke up is very akin to Watt's lies about "we had an emotional conversation" and telling people they had decided to separate.

Moo

This is eerily similar to CW case, only the baby is still alive.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

Respectfully, I disagree. LE has to go by their standard operating procedure. They had enough info that a judge gave them a search warrant. If they find any evidence, the investigation proceeds in that direction. If they find nothing, the investigation proceeds in another direction. If PF truly has nothing to hide, it won't be that big of a deal, in the long run, because if nothing is found there, it helps rule him out, IMO.

I get the whole process thing.

It is just doubtful a crime occurred there, or a body is hidden there .... which is what the media seems to be posturing.

LE needs to locate the one other player in this mystery. And that person will only be found by talking to people who knew these two.

Not by poking hay bales and looking in barns.

 

[esayer]

35 acres is a small area to me, maybe 2,000 feet by 1,000 feet. I could walk around the perimeter in 20 minutes.

wat (my parents have 10 acres and it is huge to me lol.)

 

[ericasf]

I wonder if PF took a bus to Idaho....

That would leave a trail too but not as big of one. Not many pictures shown of PF either in the media for people to see either.

 

[leighmarker]

multi-jurisdictional task force is searching the 35-acre property of Patrick Frazee, who has NOT been ruled out as a suspect in Berreth’s disappearance. <modsnip - rumor from blog>
The police chief spoke to the public just hours after a search warrant was executed on the property belonging to Kelsey's fiance Patrick Frazee. Police said they could spend up to three days searching the property. Information on why the search warrant was obtained is sealed off from the public. 11 News was just outside the property when they saw Frazee's vehicle towed away.
According to KKTV NEWS channel 11 news

 

[alucardsdream]

That would leave a trail too but not as big of one. Not many pictures shown of PF either in the media for people to see either.

There haven't even been any sightings of KB reported, at least not that I'm aware of. It seems kind of unusual for a case like this.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Another thought exercise.

If you think that the most likely scenario is that she went with PF and came into foul play, how many people do you think are involved in covering it up.

And why?

 

[BRRI]

That would leave a trail too but not as big of one. Not many pictures shown of PF either in the media for people to see either.

Right and toss on a hat, winter coat...he’s a tall white guy in Colorado, you know? If the driver wasn’t paying extreme attention, or drives daily, he or she may not remember.

 

[leighmarker]

Quite true

But, we must balance that with the likelihood PF is a hunter. All hunters know how to detect and dispose of attire with blood ... that stuff messes hunting up. He is not likely to have tossed his Jean's in the barn, to be found and used later.

Yes, the truck is good evidence.

After that, there is not likely much else.

30 acres is a small place ... 20 LE guys can search it well in 4 hours ... not 3 days.

I personally do not think 30 acres is small. I hope they look through every door and cabinet...EVERYWHERE

 

[Deleted member 155000]

There haven't even been any sightings of KB reported, at least not that I'm aware of. It seems kind of unusual for a case like this.

That’s a good point. A reporter should ask LE about how many tips or possible sightings have been called in.

 

[leighmarker]

We don't know how she got there but it would appear that she made it home if it's true that FP picked up the baby at her house.
In regard to the baby it is up to the father to decide if he wants the grandmother to see her. Considering the circumstances, it seems very unusual that he didn't let the grandma see the baby. He could have stayed there with her and let her hold her and spend some time with her granddaughter. What would be the harm in that? Considering what this mother is going through with her daughter missing it would be the natural thing to do.

Completely agree.

 

[LietKynes]

wat

Ikr ?
35 acres is enough space to conceal someone.
I'm leaning towards someone having "help" if harms' been done.
It's doubtful she's on or near his mom's property... I mean -- if PF is innocent, think about how that would look ?
Haven't heard much about PF's dad, so maybe he's not in the picture ?
And if mom is disabled (earlier in this thread, it was mentioned that PF had to care for her) ... how is she able to look after PF's child ?
Say he gets arrested... is this mother capable of caring for the baby ?
A legit. question; imo.

Nothing that's not on the below link.

I just ASSUMED (again, sorry!) the baby was being taken elsewhere because directly below the video it states "They say officers have been in touch with the Teller County Department of Human Services regarding Kelsey Berreth’s young daughter.".

Police: Human Services Contacted In Regards To Missing Mother’s Baby

What worries me is that sometimes in extreme stress... people do the worst to their own kids.
I'd like to see that baby at least with social services while this search continues.

 

[alucardsdream]

That’s a good point. A reporter should ask LE about how many tips or possible sightings have been called in.

Most of the high profile cases I can think of had a least a few sightings. Of course, it usually wasn't the person they were looking for, but at least it meant that people were keeping an eye out for someone looking like the missing person.

 

[LietKynes]

There haven't even been any sightings of KB reported, at least not that I'm aware of. It seems kind of unusual for a case like this.

SABBM

Good post !

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Hi friend!

Have you read any news about evidence found in the red truck or a reward?

The Woodland Park Police Department is still working on establishing a reward for information leading to the location or the safe return of KB.

That is as far as today’s press release goes.

No haven’t read anything regarding evidence found in the red truck.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

wat (my parents have 10 acres and it is huge to me lol.)

On my 200 acre ranch, heavily forested, I discovered a concealed dead body in 1 hour.

It was a neighbor.

The trees talk