CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

[DexterMorgan]

It was just an honest question. And I said in my post I didn’t believe deaths from domestic violence were accidents either. I was literally thinking of honest accidents and that I might have missed something.

Im sorry my friend. I guess I was just having a moment and jumped off the possible that others may actually be considering possible.

So it really wasn't directed at you. Because my intent was to cease and desist with a possibly accidental domestic violence from others that may have tried to offer that plausible theory here.

So I am truly sorry once again if it seems like I was gunning at you. My bad.

 

[PommyMommy]

Have the police gone over her home with luminal, etc. They checked is place but why not hers. They allowed the mom and brother to go in there obviously because the brother said the only thing missing was her purse and cellphone. That doesn’t sound like a cordoned off crime scene to me.

Her mom and brother were there for the wellness check.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

Maybe they have but so far aren't sharing that info with us. Just like the grocery store video. I'd like to see more. Wouldn't you?

Sure, I would like to see more. But they seem to be focused on PF's land right now, not the neighbors townhomes. JMO

 

[LVatty10]

As it appears, PF is involved in this up to his neck. What's to prevent his attorney from providing alibis for the three days after Thanksgiving. Example: He was at a family Thanksgiving dinner until 9pm. Friday he was cutting wood with friends, then at Joe's Bar until midnight. Saturday working horses with a group. Sunday spent in CO Springs with his LE family. Baby is either with him or in care of his family.

Can one of our attorneys here advise us why the attorney isn't doing something to ease the public scrutiny of his client? I know one does not need to prove their innocence, but Kelsey is missing and if he's innocent, he holding up resources.

This isn’t a legal answer. But when I am representing a client under public scrutiny and I am not waging a PR campaign or having my client give interviews/make public pleas for help, then generally speaking it’s for one of two reasons: (1) LE or other authorities have advised to go along with the scrutiny with the hopes of putting the real perp at ease to make a mistake, or (2) I do not believe there is much my client can say to ease public scrutiny. As the saying goes, if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.

In my experience, most are too upset/enraged/emotional to endure public scrutiny for long if its undeserved. Again, this isn’t a legal opinion. Just my experience representing clients.

 

[Mom24]

Townhouse

I do not know the difference between half-eaten and one bite

As to being seen together ... the county has only 24,000 people ... the area only has a few restaurants ... and no reporter has yet located anybody that has said "beautiful couple, they came in on Tuesday nights"

We have established they did live apart and had completely different travel/social circles

It's been said there were cinnamon buns leftover, not a half eaten bun.
We don't know that reporters have canvassed the local eateries to get statements.
While they lived apart, we have nothing to indicate that they had "completely" different travel or social circles, unless you have information to the contrary that you can point to? I haven't seen that stated by anyone anywhere.

 

[Ccging]

Or a reward.

Doubtful he put up the reward, we would for sure see a statement from his lawyer on it if he had.

 

[worreewart]

The search warrant was based on more than just the fact that PF was the last person to see her. If that were the case, they could have had a warrant much sooner.

"During a press conference Friday, De Young said there were “a number of other things” done up through Thursday night that led to a judge signing off on a search warrant of Frazee’s home."
Authorities search home of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth’s fiancé for 2nd straight day

Has anyone heard if he got back his truck yet?

 

[PommyMommy]

I don’t know if this has been mentioned but doing a name check on PF in FB I saw that either today or yesterday he put a message up selling his cattle for 1000.00 each. I counted 20 cows in one picture of his “spread” That would amount to 20,000. Perhaps that’s how he intends to pay for his lawyers fees.

Will you please link the post? TIA
MOO

 

[esayer]

I wonder about that. We've heard she said that, but her mother steadfastly maintains that they were a loving couple who were still engaged.

TBF, I live 20 minutes from my parents, and talk to them 2-3 times a week, and they have no idea about my relationship.

 

[katydid23]

I get it but if the suspicion is that PF had something to do with her being missing, wouldn’t that be a concern for the baby’s welfare?

I am pretty sure they are concerned. But they cannot just go in and take the baby. yet. Josh Powell had custody of his boys, even after he told that ridiculous story, of tasking them camping at 2 am, in a blizzard, on a Sunday night, but he forgot it was Sunday night and he had to be at work in the morning. Oh, and he said his wife said that was a fine idea, no problem. EVERYONE knew that was a bogus story, but he was allowed to keep the kids with him.

 

[insearchoflight]

What if the treat she made was for company she was expecting after she dropped off baby girl? Seems like something a woman would do for an expected date!

Heck no those rolls need to be eaten fresh from the oven

In all seriousness, the rolls have been debated and I think the thing I glean most from them is that she planned on coming back home otherwise would not have left them sitting out.

 

[fraudqueen]

Good point.

Hadn't heard about Mom, what does she do? I did read about the brother and uncle. A definite law enforcement family.

 

[Mom24]

Her mom and brother were there for the wellness check.
MOO

So her mom and brother were there for the wellness check?

 

[SharonNeedles]

I feel similar however, I believe it’s been said here that KB’s Mom said KB and PF broke up around Thanksgiving? We don’t know if this is confirmed.

Oh I know what was said. It differs substantially from what I believe.

 

[MtBab]

DHS does not have evidence that her safety is at risk.
MOO

I am pretty sure they are concerned. But they cannot just go in and take the baby. yet. Josh Powell had custody of his boys, even after he told that ridiculous story, of tasking them camping at 2 am, in a blizzard, on a Sunday night, but he forgot it was Sunday night and he had to be at work in the morning. Oh, and he said his wife said that was a fine idea, no problem. EVERYONE knew that was a bogus story, but he was allowed to keep the kids with him.

Wow, this is so sad and has to be unimaginably difficult for her family.

 

[esayer]

Most people have a public Pinterest board but a private Instagram account unless they are aiming to become a public Instagram “influencer” (think a Kardashian) and promote brands to their followers.

Or if you're an artist it's good for getting your work out there!

 

[ZsaZsa]

His mother?

Retired Deputy Sheriff from what I have read in several places.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

So ... what have we got?

(1) An empty townhouse
(2) Half eaten cinnamon buns
(3) Two people that folks do not recall seeing together
(4) A beautiful hard working mother that vanished
(5) A ping in Idaho
(6) with a handful of photos and a shopping cart video

We do not have a crime, crime scene, body, motive, timeline, evidence ... or even a plausible explanation.

Yet ... we know who is guilty

What did I miss?

(7) young mother Kelsey unexpectedly disappeared and didn't take her toddler
(8)PF and his family are not witnessed posting missing person fliers on social media or elsewhere
(9) PF and his family did not plead to news media for people to search for Kelsey (PF's fiancee)
(10) PF and his family did not attend the press conference or the vigil
(11) PF told LE and Kelsey's family that Kelsey went on trip to visit family in WA without her toddler
(12)Text message from Kelsey's phone unprofessionally (without giving any notice) told her employer she was going on an immediate vacation
(13)No text message from Kelsey's phone went to her mom or grandmother to tell them she was coming to visit them and without her toddler
(14) Kelsey's makeup, toothbrush, and suitcase were not taken on her alleged vacation
(15) Food which would rot was left on the counter while Kelsey allegedly went on an unexpected vacation without her toddler
(16) A judge required probable cause to sign LE's search warrant for PF's home
(17) Kelsey's aunt posted that Kelsey and PF had very recently broken up

Did I miss anything?

 

[1&2&3]

But half his family is in LE..... his brother, his mother.

This might be one reason he quickly lawyered up - the family LE advised him.

Are the LE family members in local or close communities? What are their titles? Could this be a detriment to the case with advice or knowledge of the law being passed down to PF?

From what we have seen, LE along with outside agencies have been on top of the search. Small communities stick together with neighboring communities and this being rural and a Holiday, it is likely no one saw him after picking up the baby. Where was his mother on Thanksgiving and Friday?

I can’t imagine he was stupid enough to bury her on his property. JMO

 

[haven71]

Im sorry my friend. I guess I was just having a moment and jumped off the possible that others may actually be considering possible.

So it really wasn't directed at you. Because my intent was to cease and desist with a possibly accidental domestic violence from others that may have tried to offer that plausible theory here.

So I am truly sorry once again if it seems like I was gunning at you. My bad.

Im sorry my friend. I guess I was just having a moment and jumped off the possible that others may actually be considering possible.

So it really wasn't directed at you. Because my intent was to cease and desist with a possibly accidental domestic violence from others that may have tried to offer that plausible theory here.

So I am truly sorry once again if it seems like I was gunning at you. My bad.

No bad feelings here. Just clarifying where I was coming from.

I totally get what you’re saying.