GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #67

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Shannon Watts (strangled) & daughters Bella & CeCe (smothered)by Chris Watts. Watts pleads guilty and gets life without parole!


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Sad news ...

husband of the missing Frederick family has confessed to killing them and officials believe they know where the bodies are.

Husband of missing Frederick mom of 2 detained Sources: Husband of pregnant Frederick woman detained, has confessed to killing her and 2 daughters


CO - MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION - - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4

Link to WS post with 3 videos of CW's interviews

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I have just been putting together this list of 'potential' difficulties that CW 'may' have faced in childhood. This information is gleened from the information we have discussed so far. Please feel free to correct any information that maybe incorrect or add your own opinion/findings etc. Obviously we do not know these things definitively happened to CW, so they are suggestions of his potential upbringing (rather than fact).


Family enmeshment:

Signs we know of:
Mother over-involvement in CW life and relationship with SW.

Mother disrespects and undermines others beliefs/parenting techniques and boundaries (eg nut incident, comments about SW as a mother)

Power games with them both (e.g. wedding planning, not attending wedding or children's parties, nut incident),

Their identity as a family may be built upon their children’s success. Eg their talk on his past achievements (eg sports, nascar).

Threatened when CW married and moved across the country (eg CW responsible for dads increase in drinking, their comments about SW)

CW may have taken on a caretaker role towards RW’s drinking

Family dynamics look like they were built on power and submission, rather than equality and respect.


Effects of enmeshment on an adult: A failure to adequately develop an individual sense of identity and self-esteem, A difficulty regulating one’s own emotions, feeling controlled by others causing them to emotionally withdraw, negatively affect on relationships, difficulty developing appropriate and balanced friendships and difficulties with trust outside immediate family, fear of intimacy as relationships seen as emotionally draining, may seek out relationships in which they are responsible for caring for a partner, repeating what was learned in childhood.


Fathers substance abuse issues:
The nature of substance abuse can reduce a child's experience with making friends, so later they may have difficulty with intimate relationships. CW does have issues in these areas

Addiction tendencies may be familial -both socially modelled and possible genetic trait?

Impact of growing up with this: overlaps with enmeshment traits, particularly around loss of identity, feelings of responsibility, used to playing the role of the caregiver, may have an excessive need to be in control in order to balance out the chaos in their lives. Or they may constantly need approval, to reassure themselves that they have value. Some become aggressive.


Attachment
Mrs Watts described as cold and overbearing. Although its reported he has a close relationship with his dad, he will still be impacted by his relationship with his mother. There are numerous issues that arise from having an in-secure attachment.


Social modelling
His family have socially modeled the following:

Women are domineering.

Men avoid to cope, rather than confront (eg Dad used substances as a form of escape most likely).

Unkind behaviour towards others

No respect for personal boundaries



Social and emotional development

Guaranteed CW grew up in an invalidating environment.

Emotions likely to not be acknowledged let alone expressed, which is a huge issue as this causes someone to lack emotional awareness and stunts development.

Love and kindness probably 'rewarded' only when doing something right. Therefore, love becomes associated with doing what someone else wants, not inherently given. This will be linked to wanting to be seen as ‘good’.

Socially he had few friends and lacked a dating history. The question remains why was that? Lack of interest, fear of parental opinion? Etc. This isn’t always an issue, however in this case it is suggests why he was so excited by the prospect of the affair he was having and the thrill he was getting from this.

Supposedly his sister was 'naughty'. This may be a sign of issues at home (although cannot definitely say this). However, children take up roles in a family. CW has taken up the 'good' boy role, which would be a partial contributor to why he wants to save face and be seen as ‘good’


Empathy

Others say he was kind and caring

Seems empathic towards NK. Why? (Concerned about her being dragged in to the case).

Important to differentiate between empathy and sympathy. Psychopaths and sociopaths use empathy (not sympathy) to learn about a person and use this in a self-fulfilling manner (eg for their own purpose).

Psychopath vs sociopath – no criminal history that we are aware, indicates CW is not a psychopath, but rather a sociopath.



** There is obviously a lot more that can be added to this””
 
Hi all - thank you all for your patience while the thread was closed. It's amazing how much time it takes to scan each quoted post and response to ensure the thread is compliant with our TOS.

Going forward, zero tolerance, discussing the following topics will earn you an all-expenses-paid trip to the observation deck. Will it be 8 days? 3 days? 17 days? Spin the wheel to find out.
*insinuating blame on a MURDER VICTIM for their own MURDER
*advertising your use of the "ignore" function
*generalizations about other posters (ex. "all of a sudden everyone is victim blaming")
*discussion of other members' information (ex. join date, new to the thread, etc)
*nuts or bowls of nuts or ice cream or nutty ice cream or... :confused:
*responding to literally any of the above, in any fashion, including "mods said not to talk about that".
 
Tortoise said:
Could we have clarity on the last item on your list please. This was a major turning point and could have been a catalyst for what CW did. His father blocked him on facebook after that incident. It's in discovery and it's in MSM.

Can we have clarification as to why it is off limits please, because a rift between CW and his own family is massive. His dad was his hero - he said this to investigators and Shanann said that to Addy too (it's in her phone conversation with the investigators). He may have chosen his relationship with his father over Shanann and his children. His family didn't celebrate Cece's birthday because of it, and CW didn't even think his father could facetime with the girls because they would tell Shanann. Shanann had every right to have his family blocked from seeing the children after that which would feature in any custody arrangement going forward.
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My suggestion is: direct quotes from MSM/discovery docs are fine (assuming they can be linked from an approved source), general discussion of an incident related to a nut allergy is okay, and speculation about this causing a rift/catalyst within the family is okay. What I would suggest steering clear of are things like debating if it was nuts or ice cream, who was or wasn't allergic, how severe the allergy might have been, what parents should or shouldn't know or do in relation to nut allergies.
 
Hey Everyone,

Watts thread is open again.

As long as you discuss the case and not each other and the discussion remains within our terms of service, this thread will be open for as long as you want.

On the last thread, you all started fighting with each other. It because about some of you being right and proving the other poster wrong.

It is easy to say "ban 'em". Well yes, we can but that also creates a lot of work for the mods. So come on OK? Just stick to the topic and to terms of service there will be no problem.

Tricia
 
I have seen a bunch of LE interviews with different witnesses released. The one with CW's coworker Anthony Brown was heartbreaking. He sounded more emotional and heartbroken than CW ever did.

The latest phone interview with NK made my ears hurt as she droned on even more about macros.

One question I had was regarding the interview with CW's neighbor's daughter who baby-sat for Bella and Celeste that Saturday night. She is a MINOR, yet all her personal information was released. How is it that her information wasn't redacted? Is it because when requests are made under FOI by pedestrians, it typically isn't published for public consumption? And when actual real journalists with ethics and standards and affiliations publish info, they follow the standards and take steps to redact sensitive information, or in this case personal contact information for a minor? Now in this era, we have media channels such as these terrible, unscrupulous podcasts and youtube channels who can access the same information and publish it for the masses using NO discretion and no standards and no one policing. I guess that's just the way it is, but it just seems wrong.
 
I did read that about NK entering witness protection. If true, how is that not kept, oh I don't know, confidential? The whole thing is so bizarre, especially after the whole Glamour shots photo shoot. But I will be thrilled if she just goes off somewhere to quietly live her life.
 
spangled said:
Apparently NK is under witness protection and changing her name

Killer Chris Watts' mistress 'is in witness protection' | Daily Mail Online

"Said it would be hard for her to go out in public 'for years' due to threats
Chris Watts' mistress is in witness protection hundreds of miles from home and will be given a new name and identity, it has been reported. "
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How can she be in witness protection if she’s not a witness? There won’t be a trial for her to be a witness at. And by who and why would this be announced??? They might as well just list her new name and address.
 
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