Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #37

[Pharmasgirl]

She was in the right place at the right time.

And Henry, of course.

As they say - Timing is everything

 

[Mom24]

Speaking as to how we helped a survivor of a sexual trauma, but never a kidnapped recovered long term survivor..
They would have already drawn blood for the most sensitive blood pregnancy test, as well as the sexually transmitted diseases which are detectable through blood more reliably than other fluids. Likewise, a rape kit taken using forensic protocols with a female LE officer present to start legal chain of custody would be done for forensic testing. ( Some depts. still have no or minimal female officers and the GYN. specialist who performs the exam will be the one who seals and initials the rape kit along with starting the paperwork which accompanies the kit.)

A separate pelvic exam ( uses different standards of specimen collection and handling and goes to the hospital lab for testing quickly) using her cells and fluid from the exam will be cultured to check for the less serious STIs. The doctor would also check for the earliest symptoms of pregnancy, which show up on a pelvic exam after 6 weeks but well before 12 weeks, but are presumptive signs, not diagnostic.
She may or may not have been given a Rx for precautionary antibiotics, but some doctors do start the ones most likely to treat a wide variety of STIs rather than let them grow until the lab testing has finished.

This is my experience. That of other nurses may vary. She likely was mildly sedated for the invasive processes due to her age and overall trauma.

They'll usually also give a bolus of antibiotics and fluids, which is why I wasn't surprised she was kept overnight.

 

[StarEyes]

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I’m sure LE will track down at least some of his friends. I’d imagine JPs friends might want to stay on the down low and not be in the press. They’re likely horrified at what he’s done. jmo

 

[Lillymac]

It's a crime that's fraught with a lot of potential misses and it's aggressive, highly aggressive.
It would be like making a wedding cake if you've never baked or even cooked before. It's doable, but highly unlikely.
To go from a quiet, never in trouble kid to this is a jump. No aggression reported from his school, in other words he wasn't used to "taking on" another person. It's reported he did some wrestling early on, and that would give him some confidence in being physically aggressive with another person, but it wasn't an activity he did for years. He broke into someone's private home, while they were home. Two adults. Not an elderly couple, but two adults who were both ambulatory. Guns in the homes in most places in that area. He'd stand more of chance of getting shot than being successful, he didn't hesitate, he was quick and methodical, he didn't have an issue with being in an unfamiliar home with two adults who were armed. Yet he was a quiet kid in school who never got into trouble.
Let that sink in, he never got into trouble. No trouble. He didn't invade people's personal space, he didn't sit at the back of the room carving his initials in the desk, he didn't peep into windows, he didn't steal things off his teacher's desk, no pushing or shoving, no aggressive behavior or boundary issues.
Each thing he did was crossing a boundary, breaking into a home, shooting the residents, grabbing their child, evading the police, holding her hostage for months. Each of those actions were crossing a boundary, a huge boundary, and yet he did it having never crossed any boundaries before other than siphoning gas once? I'm not buying it, IMO.

Maybe he had done all those things in his mind. This time he decided to act on it! jmo

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

I am wondering why a lot of posters shocked it was his first serious crime. He was only 21.

Great post!

and we could also add the word Known to that sentence as in “it was his first Known serious crime.

 

[Bravo]

I think he had tons of practice with this crime. Perhaps years. In his head.

 

[Tim Constas]

I think that's where he messed up because that's where social interaction comes in. Did he get overly confident. Did Jayme outsmart him (socially). Or was it something like 'equipment failure'. We don't know.

IMHO she'd gained his trust and she wasn't secured this one time. I'd be willing to bet that was her very first opportunity at a reasonable chance of escape.

 

[WiseOwl]

For those of you who didn't catch WS'er @Moonsie's incredibly accurate profile of the perpetrator when it was first posted (less than two weeks after Jayme's abduction), here it is........

WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #14

- no drugs/alcohol...very fit (can kick in a door)
- loner, very little contact with anyone (why there are no people coming forward about a change in behavior etc)
- survivalist/minimalist (no problem living in the north woods)
- hunter (saw Jayme as his “prey,” planned the surprise nature of the attack)
- mapped this out over an extended time (stalked home, knew patterns, knew community, knew routines etc)
- worshipped Jayme from afar/no prior interaction with family (perhaps had initial chance sighting at school, running in park etc which grew into an obsession)
- technology averse (preferred cunning, wits, camouflage, hunting psychology etc instead of SM)
- unemployed/lots of time to study Closs home stealthily (may have stalked home unnoticed on multiple occasions)
- “bad” or no relationship with own parents (so no reservations whatsoever about killing parents of Jayme)
- not angry/focused and methodical

With the greatest respect to yourself and Moonsie, how do you know any of this profile is accurate? We have only known about Patterson for the last 3 days so where is the factual evidence to back all of this up? It could well turn out to be an accurate description of him but we hardly know anything yet, it's all just assumption.

 

[ludakristen]

I think it's totally possible this is his first crime. Others have made similar comments so I can't take credit, but I agree with the idea that this is more like a high schooler carrying out a school shooting than it is like other big kidnapping/sexual assault (assuming that's what happened) types of cases.

My opinion is he spent time on the internet. I know he didn't have a social media presence, but I bet he spent a lot of time on sites like Reddit or 4Chan or other underbelly areas of the internet that really breed this sense of entitlement in young men, especially young white men, to think that the world owes them: a job, an income, comfort, sex from a beautiful woman, etc. And that sense of entitlement manifests into "taking what is rightfully theirs."

This is all IMO, JMO, etc etc.

 

[Bodhi]

You know, they did say this, but I wonder if that's true. Jayme wasn't all that far from the house, and dog lady was walking on the road. They never said they saw him, yet he would have had to drive by twice if he'd gone home, discovered her gone and headed back out. Maybe that was one of those special option Taurus' with the invisibility package!

If Patterson had an invisibilty package, he wouldn't have been stopped by law enforcement.

The road is a 2-mile long loop, and Patterson's house was near the middle of the loop. It's possible Jayme knew which way he went when he left the house and went the other. Or she got lucky and chose the way he didn't take.

Some of the early reports in the MSM said Jayme spotted the woman walking her dog and approached her from near a cabin close to where she had been being held. It may be one source was unclear and others repeated it. But it made me wonder if Jayme went to the closest home to seek help but no one was there. She may have been simply moving on when she spotted the woman or she may have been using the cabin to hide behind while deciding what to do next. My point is that we don't know how long it was from when Jayme left the house until she approached the dogwalker.

 

[ludakristen]

If Patterson had an invisibilty package, he wouldn't have been stopped by law enforcement.

The road is a 2-mile long loop, and Patterson's house was near the middle of the loop. It's possible Jayme knew which way he went when he left the house and went the other. Or she got lucky and chose the way he didn't take.

Some of the early reports in the MSM said Jayme spotted the woman walking her dog and approached her from near a cabin close to where she had been being held. It may be one source was unclear and others repeated it. But it made me wonder if Jayme went to the closest home to seek help but no one was there. She may have been simply moving on when she spotted the woman or she may have been using the cabin to hide behind while deciding what to do next. My point is that we don't know how long it was from when Jayme left the house until she approached the dogwalker.

Right, also, she was apparently cold (neighbors who took her inside said she asked for a blanket and seemed cold, no coat or gloves). Maybe she had been outside hiding from him for a while, too.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Wanted to share this. I copied in pasted for those that can not read from the link. I apologize if it has already been posted:
Ex-kidnapping victim: Jayme Closs needs space, time to heal

Ex-kidnapping victim: Jayme Closs needs space, time to heal
Katie Beers was abducted, kept in concrete bunker 26 years ago

Updated: 11:33 AM CST Jan 13, 2019
Jayme Closs had been found alive in rural Wisconsin nearly three months after police say a man shot and killed her parents then abducted the girl from their home.

"She is going to have to grieve the loss of her parents and also come to terms with the fact she was abducted, escaped and whatever (other) hell she went through," said Beers. "And it's not going to be easy."
Beers knows that better than most.

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Thanks for posting. BEST ARTICLE/ ADVICE EVER. I hope everyone who speaks to any victim anywhere reads this before they open their mouth.

 

[Ibiz]

Becky's School of Dance says Jamey attended classes in their facility.
There's also a place called Tactical Escape 101, a gaming facility in the same center.
Maybe

Becky's School of Dance


Google Maps​

Very interesting... to say the least.

 

[Lillymac]

I think it's totally possible this is his first crime. Others have made similar comments so I can't take credit, but I agree with the idea that this is more like a high schooler carrying out a school shooting than it is like other big kidnapping/sexual assault (assuming that's what happened) types of cases.

My opinion is he spent time on the internet. I know he didn't have a social media presence, but I bet he spent a lot of time on sites like Reddit or 4Chan or other underbelly areas of the internet that really breed this sense of entitlement in young men, especially young white men, to think that the world owes them: a job, an income, comfort, sex from a beautiful woman, etc. And that sense of entitlement manifests into "taking what is rightfully theirs."

This is all IMO, JMO, etc etc.

And to add, this is common practice is some cult religions (Elizabeth Smarts captor). Others I won't go into.

 

[ilovechili]

You know, they did say this, but I wonder if that's true. Jayme wasn't all that far from the house, and dog lady was walking on the road. They never said they saw him, yet he would have had to drive by twice if he'd gone home, discovered her gone and headed back out. Maybe that was one of those special option Taurus' with the invisibility package!

This one I am not sold on either. First of all in the morning press conf, it was said just the opposite, the Douglas County Sheriff answered that question that he did not think when they stopped him that he knew or was out looking for her. That afternoon/evening, we started hearing the opposite.

And with media, the dog lady has been walking on the road and the latest I read is she had completed the loop and was at the end of her own driveway. I guess both things can be true... I have read Jayme walked up to her and that she ran.

So I guess in the initial ways of media and even LE just getting information coming in fast, we have the usual unknowns and seemingly different accounts.

To me, if he knew she was gone, he had to drive one way through the loop back to the home or how would he know she was gone? As you said, an invisible car I guess, he would have at least passed the dog walker one would think... I wonder where he was arrested, on his own looped "subdivision" or elsewhere? That would probably tell us...

While far more information was forthcoming than has been put out in this case, I think there is still a bit of song and dance, for the right reasons probably, but there still is one.

 

[Julia966]

You know, they did say this, but I wonder if that's true. Jayme wasn't all that far from the house, and dog lady was walking on the road. They never said they saw him, yet he would have had to drive by twice if he'd gone home, discovered her gone and headed back out. Maybe that was one of those special option Taurus' with the invisibility package!

If she was walking out of the woods when Mrs. Nutter saw her, she couldn't have been out of the house for long, then an 8 minute walk to the other house. JP was picked up about 30 minutes later, 10 minutes after police arrived at the house. So, there's a window there, plus the street is a loop with two entrance/exits onto the main road. He may not have returned until she was already in the neighbor's house.

It is good timing, though. The sheriff was very careful not to comment on things he was unsure of, so the fact that he said it definitively makes me think it must be right. JP must have told them, I suppose.

 

[ArizonaNative]

With all due respect, that’s not true for many sexually abused people. I’ve always had great empathy both before and after my rape. It’s actually helped me to speak with rape survivors and be a mentor. I had an incident as a child as well. I know a lot of people abused at all ages. While I’m sure that can be true of a few, it’s not the norm. I see Jayme maintaining empathy as well. She’s strong and has been taught good morals and values. jmo.

Of course, there are many factors to consider, everyone has different experiences in life that make them who they are, many overcome tragedies and develop even more good qualities than they had before abuse, neglect or a traumatic event.

I’m posting as a person that has knowledge and expertise along with my own tragic experiences. I don’t need to add those details here. This discussion is about Jayme, her victory and the outcome of this tragic situation.

 

[Rosiebones]

Can you imagine how much courage it took to leave a house with no coat, mittens, hat or shoes that fit and maybe no socks? Out into a northern Wisconsin winter late in the afternoon when you don't even know where you are or who may take you in? She ran the risk of being outside all night or at least for many hours. To know that you had to stay on the road because the snow is so deep that you can't cut across a yard or a field. She is a remarkable child !!

 

[Mistermagoo]

I thought speculation and talk of SA was off the table here. Did I miss something??

I am the one who brought up. I was just pointing out that SA charges have not been made against him yet. If that is against the rules, I apologize, I guess I may have missed that in the rules. In my defense, I still have not read my cell phone contract either.

 

[Julia966]

An actual mastermind would have actually secured his prisoner before heading out to meander around the tundra. If not for that rocket scientist move, we still wouldn't know where Jayme is.

I've never held someone captive, but I'm guessing it gets tiresome after a while to do everything necessary to secure the person when you head out for a bit. If she hadn't given him much trouble, over time maybe he thought it would be OK to not do one or two of the things.