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Let me fix that. Thanks. Any other corrections?I believe the date was 12/18.
Let me fix that. Thanks. Any other corrections?I believe the date was 12/18.
- Nov 22 - KB was last seen on the Safeway surveillance video about 12:27 p.m. KB’s purchased items for dip and flowers at Safeway. KB was next seen in her car on surveillance video from Williams Bros Furniture, at 12:37
Wow, a nice little family gathering outside, just before the monster killed her. Ugh.Not sure how to fit this video capture in, but it's there:
Sam Kraemer @SamKraemerTV
State gives him another still of that neighbor’s surveillance. He says it shows Berreth, Kaylee, Frazee & her flowers out front of Kelsey’s door around 1 p.m. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
8:42 AM - 19 Feb 2019
I don't think PF wanted KKL in his life as a partner.
She was just a useful submittant to him to use for his purpose. I'm sure they had some sort of Dominant/Sub sexual chemistry that he was manipulating to use her for removing KB.
She may have thought this was going to bring her a relationship and a life with him, but that was a huge and desperate mistake on her part.
And you have just defined a relationship with a Narcissist. The features are striking in their classic behavior. Love bombing, isolation, the degrading, the manipulation.
If you are unfamiliar with how a Narcissist thinks and behaves, this site might have some articles worth reading about. Once you have experienced this, you recognize it Instantly.
Knowing the Narcissist
What time was the Thanksgiving meal?
Agreed. He also likely believed her helping physically (finally) in some way would assure her silence in the future when the bricks hit the fan. WRONG. Such a horrible human being he is. Glad he is where he belongs, and I hope he is absolutely miserable.I agree. Especially with how hard he pressed her to do the actual killing. I firmly believe she was just a tool to rid him of KB, without him having to do it himself.
But she kept “failing ”.
He got mad, did it himself, and could’ve cleaned it up himself.. but told her to do it.
I believe that’s very telling.
A punishment for her failure?
Knowing she would not get there for two days?
Big risk to take with the scene that must have been at KB’s townhouse.
That was a message that she was not getting out of it. He had her.
He would had to have been very confident that she would not then call the police and direct them to that bloody murder scene.
He knew he had her. he just didn’t want to keep her. IMO
Being that she is a divorced woman, KK is extremely worried about what her ex husband thinks. Why?? She does a lot of the CMA with people.
CL didnt seem to know about the current affair and seems like after LE visit he has washed his hands of her.
Knowing she would not get there for two days?
Big risk to take with the scene that must have been at KB’s townhouse.
That was a message that she was not getting out of it. He had her. IMO
Absolutely, getting her hands dirty was part of keeping her quiet… Or so he thought.Agreed. He also likely believed her helping physically (finally) in some way would assure her silence in the future when the bricks hit the fan. WRONG. Such a horrible human being he is. Glad he is where he belongs, and I hope he is absolutely miserable.
- Adams says he talked to PF’s brother, a Colorado Springs police officer as part of the investigation. Sean (unsure of spelling) says he saw PF on Nov. 22 & didn’t describe anything as suspicious that day. It doesn’t say exactly when PF arrived for Thanksgiving. Sean says he got there around 2:30 p.m., and that PF arrived a little later. He had baby K with him. Defense says PF’s brother would be aware of things out of the ordinary. since he is a CO Springs police officer. Prosecution says Sean and Patrick have estranged relationship.
Good. The cam pic shows PF, KB, BabyK and flowers standing at KB's door around 1pm. I'm a bit confused as that's when PF is at Walmart. I'm guessing it's when KB came home from Safeway and PF was there to meet her. Before his trip to WM?
I hope you don't mind, but your post also caused me to ponder a couple of things.
First of all, she went in September to bring Kelsey coffee with her aunt in the car. I mean, didn't the aunt find this strange, going to a woman's townhouse to bring coffee to someone she (the aunt) has probably never met herself? What excuse would Krystal have given this aunt to randomly bring over some woman a coffee, when clearly the woman could have made her own at home or got her own if she wanted to? I really would love to know from the aunt herself, what excuse Krystal used on that day.
I wonder, if she hadn't switched vehicles with her friend to do the clean up, would she have brought Kelsey back in her truck to Idaho and placed her body somewhere in the woods? Was she going to do it at first, but had one tiny bit of a moment of guilty conscience, and told Patrick, after putting a bullet through Kelsey, that she didn't want to take the chance of her friend getting into trouble with DNA evidence in her car?
Now, this leads me to wonder- Krystal mentioned cleaning stuff and bringing it to Patrick's to burn. Did they get a search warrant to check and see if there was any DNA of Kelsey's in this friend's car? Or any evidence in the car of something dropped and stuck under the mats or between the seats, such as a cleaning rag, paper towel, etc?
I forget how far away in terms of driving time she lives from Patrick, but for a woman who was scared to death of him, she sure had an immediate out, if she had just called the cops and said she thought he killed his girlfriend and tell them that he asked her to clean it up. They would have nailed him right away, but no, she still drove down, cleaned and burned things, went back home, and burned more things in her front yard.
There are conflicting reports about the furniture store camera footage. Is your information from the affidavit?
- Between 12:54 p.m. - 1:17 p.m. PF was seen on Walmart & Williams Furniture Store surveillance, and on Arlo camera by KB’s neighbor caught KB, baby K and PF at KB’s door at 1:34 p.m.
Yes -- it seems that KK's children should have more fear of their mother than of PF!I just can't believe the gall and balls of these two, burning Kelsey's body in SF's front yard and burning Krystal and Kelsey's phones in the front yard of the ex-husband. It truly boggles my mind, how brazen they both are! I feel bad for Krystal's ex husband- imagine being married and having children at one time with this woman, only to have her burn things of her lover's girlfriend in his front yard. I hope and pray he kicked her tail out of that house, for his sake and most importantly, the children's sake. Those poor kids.....ugh! I can imagine the awful torment they're going to suffer for years to come from their peers about their mother.
There are conflicting reports about the furniture store camera footage. Is this from the affidavit?
UPDATE: Patrick Frazee facing new charges after preliminary hearing
The phone call/recording between Adams says surveillance video shows a car matching that of Berreth's driving toward her town home on the day she went missing. Video is from a furniture store near her town home.
In all the details of KB's Pinterest, her visit to a Seventh Day Adventist center for depression, of her (apparent) limited discussion of the real issues with her mother, I get a terrible sense of passiveness.
I don't know if that is what her faith guides her to, but I don't get a sense of a major decision to leave PF, to secure Baby K, to remove herself from the WP area.
Of course, we are now looking at everything in the retrospective scope, seeing the building danger that was around her since September, when the first plots on her life were created.
But, I feel a terrible, sad passivity in her acceptance of issues with PF that were severely troubling her. I also feel terrible that there wasn't someone close to her to sense danger and get her out of there.
KK admitted to using KB's phone while it was in her possession. All part of the ruse that KB was alive and wanted time alone.Based on information that has been reveled so far, do we know why there was a 16min+ call on 11/24 from KB’s phone at 8:32 am? That’s a fairly long call...wondering who actually made the call, from where and to whom and what was that conversation? JMO