GUILTY TN - SLP, 14, found alive, Madisonville, Monroe County, 13 Jan 2019 #6 *ARRESTS*

I think SP's action(s) and reaction(s) in the video will go to show that this was not a new or unusual event to her. It will display a lack of shock and a knowing of what is going on. A jury will realize she had been being raped for some time. jmo

That is my thought. That it can be used for other charges and if not put away for life, others can be added and this can be used to add time. Or maybe to word it better, it is my hope.
 
We all agree on the same outcomes; the hope that the victims that are found safe do great, overcome and rise above what these creeps did.

I would also counter in one sense. We have seen discussion but probably far from all of it. Each side is using what works in their interest at this time, prosecution and defense.

She most definitely is a minor; he most definitely is twice her age. She also could not consent to my knowledge to a HIPPA consent or knowledge she had sexual contact with someone in the past three to five days or two weeks. I guess we will learn or we will never know how that was allowed to be stated or if a parent or authority granted the right. On the other hand, with regard to a crime (an atty could answer) maybe none of same is needed.

Yet as far as making the tape, we have no idea if there was a prior exchange that she tried to get stepdad arrested maybe before, or in GA (by the way the date of what we know as their first exchange she was still in GA) but failed because of lack of proof for a discussion of what she needed for positive proof; what he needed to be able to help, etc.

In no way is that a defense of him, it is just saying that why was the conversation we have seen considered proof? Where is the convo before it jumped into my stepdad is molesting me? I know times have changed but one does not generally approach a stranger and just come out with that first. Hey, hi, my name is so and so and I don't know you but my stepdad is molesting me again I don't know you but will you drive all these miles and help me?

NOT in any way whatsoever putting this on her; I THANK GOD she is alive and safe. And in no way is a minor at fault, both men are. But I am saying with regard to BR there is more to this. With regard to JRP not sure if anyone wants to know how much more there is and how many real charges this CREEP deserves.

These are the sticking points for me.

I would add to this there had to be conversation regarding where she was, where to pick her up, time and place, how and when.
 
I have to counter point here LOL.....
SP is 14 and unable legally able to consent to any of the acts BR is charged with. Period. We can't dictate morality, but we <society> can darn well dictate legal consequences of those acts if found guilty.

SP could have 'thought' in her mind BR was her friend, knight in shining armor, any and all of that. But she's a 14 year old child of sexual abuse, apparently suicidal and desperate. BR took advantage of a very vulnerable SP, perhaps she couldn't recognize it bc of the traumatic victimization she has suffered at the hands of RP.

SP reiterated to BR a few times that she did not want to make that tape, did not. He insisted she do it, withholding 'help' if not complying, instead of choosing almost any other option available that would occur to anybody I know UNLESS there were ulterior motives.

SP is the victim here, a victim of both RP and BR. I fear for her ability to overcome the physical and psychological damage inflicted on her by them, and any other person who knew who did nothing to help her.

Keeping the hope for a brighter future and recovery for SP always.

ETA: MOO
Hellz bellz yes! For argument sake let's say BR didn't feel comfortable calling LE directly when SLP confided she was being raped by RP. So he thinks she needs "evidence."

SLP sends an audio recording but BR is so stupid he thinks it's not enough because RP didn't actually come out and admit he'd been raping her even though everything else he says is incriminating enough for charges.

He presses SLP for video and she complies. But again, BR is too stupid to contact LE to say he's been sent a video of a minor being raped; instead he determines it's "too blurry" so he drives to Tennessee and picks up SLP. Once she's in WI he decides that he'll make a package to send to the FBI. They drive to MO to mail it so he can't be traced. Instead of contacting LE after the package is mailed he chooses to hide SLP in his basement bedroom. LE knocks on his door and asks if SLP is there. He lies and says no. LE comes back later and finds SLP.

There are TN cases where arrests are made, charges are brought with the accused being convicted based on minimal evidence and statements by the victim. I posted one recent one upthread. But BR somehow is too dense to grok anything other than "we need video of you being raped."

The young woman in my earlier link contacted LE two years after her assault and her adopted father is going to prison. BR cannot be so stupid as to not get on the frikkin' computer and research what took me less than a minute to find.

Sorry, this man is a predator. The end does not justify the means. It's not a "good" thing he took SLP; just because it ended RP's sexual abuse it doesn't mean BR acted wisely or out of concern. He didn't make moral decisions he made selfish ones.

I'd like to know how many times he viewed that video. IMO anything more than once is despicable. MOO.

End of rant.
 
Jumping in with my 2 cents now that I am all caught up.

I am disappointed BR hasn't been charged with SA (assuming it happened like the DA said it did). And I am pissed 'daddy not-so dearest' only has one charge. BUT I thought LE was dropping the ball earlier in the case, and turned out, they were connecting the dots and making connections. So I am just hoping and praying they will find enough evidence to charge both men with more. Mainly I want 'daddy not-so dearest' to be charged with the previous rapes of SLP. I think knowing he was held accountable for the years of hell he put her though will be important to SLP as she heals and moves on.
 
I would add to this there had to be conversation regarding where she was, where to pick her up, time and place, how and when.

You make some really valid points in trying to voice your feelings on BR. For me it came down to the common sense that @gitana1 explained. And not that my opinion is more right, or wrong. I just like to try to give benefit to the perps (innocent until guilty) until I see the line get crossed.

I really wanted BR to be that heroic figure. But how he treated that little girl in those (partly) released conversations just killed me. She was begging, and pleading, to not have to video her own rape.

Even if it was the second time that SLP was being raped, it was two times too many for this molested (most of her life!) girl. I cannot fathom the actual reality of her childhood. As others have said, she never had one.

If SLP can ever find the strength to forgive either of them; at that point I will follow HER lead. Only then IMHO.

BR would never have reached hero status, once he had that tape. The tape that was clear enough to put RP in jail. Yes, the blurry tape that, "A Cup of Coffee", HAD to make. Because BR said so. The evidence, and basement-hiding, specialist. That's the real Catch-22 here. Would the previous recording, and her life history, have been enough? Did she really HAVE to endure one more rape?

Oh man, I hope I'm not offending you, or anyone at all, with being so opinionated about these two monsters. My apologies if any offense has been taken :)

ETA: Punctuation forgot "..."
 
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You make some really valid points in trying to voice your feelings on BR. For me it came down to the common sense that @gitana1 explained. And not that my opinion is more right, or wrong. I just like to try to give benefit to the perps (innocent until guilty) until I see the line get crossed.

I really wanted BR to be that heroic figure. But how he treated that little girl in those (partly) released conversations just killed me. She was begging, and pleading, to not have to video her own rape.

Even if it was the second time that SLP was being raped, it was two times too many for this molested (most of her life!) girl. I cannot fathom the actual reality of her childhood. As others have said, she never had one.

If SLP can ever find the strength to forgive either of them; at that point I will follow HER lead. Only then IMHO.

BR would never have reached hero status, once he had that tape. The tape that was clear enough to put RP in jail. Yes, the blurry tape that A Cup of Coffee HAD to make. Because BR said so. The evidence, and basement-hiding, specialist. That's the real Catch-22 here. Would the previous recording, and her life history, have been enough? Did she really HAVE to endure one more rape?

Oh man, I hope I'm not offending you, or anyone at all, with being so opinionated about these two monsters. My apologies if any offense has been taken :)

No offense taken whatsoever. And I am not defending him if that is the case whatsoever (BR). I am trying to find the words that can explain what I mean without violating TOS and to make my thoughts clear. It is difficult to do so which is why you see me somewhat dancing around it.

Gitana did a very good job of taking every bit and showing the pattern. It swayed me and my mind is open to that is exactly what he was doing. However, I also know it is what we often do not hear that affects context.

Where is the conversation of getting to know each other? Where is the detail of when, how and where?

In no way do I mean it is okay but she is out of there. RJP is in jail. On a high bond. It worked.

There is much of the conversation missing though. Even so, I get she is a minor and he is not in any way shape or form. He is twice her age.

I do not know why it is I feel so strongly about this. But I do. Yet I am undecided and will wait to see. If indeed we ever do find out. On a scale of 1 to 10 RJP exploded the scale. On this guy I am undecided so far.

I have no knowledge of him holding her hostage so I must have missed something.
 
Jumping in with my 2 cents now that I am all caught up.

I am disappointed BR hasn't been charged with SA (assuming it happened like the DA said it did). And I am pissed 'daddy not-so dearest' only has one charge. BUT I thought LE was dropping the ball earlier in the case, and turned out, they were connecting the dots and making connections. So I am just hoping and praying they will find enough evidence to charge both men with more. Mainly I want 'daddy not-so dearest' to be charged with the previous rapes of SLP. I think knowing he was held accountable for the years of hell he put her though will be important to SLP as she heals and moves on.

I too want *daddy dearest* made an example of. Or not so dearest as you say. Maybe made an example of is the wrong term. I want him charged with this child never having a chance at a normal life from what we know of from her youngest most formative years. I do not know that it will make any perp think twice but it would show SP that there is justice and she can count on it.
 
I think both RP and BR should be charged to the fullest for their crimes. RP's crimes do not justify BR's crimes in any way, shape or form. They are both perverts and they both raped SP. They each need to stand on their own for the crimes they committed against her. There is zero justification. Zero. We should stay focused on that. jmo
 
No offense taken whatsoever. And I am not defending him if that is the case whatsoever (BR). I am trying to find the words that can explain what I mean without violating TOS and to make my thoughts clear. It is difficult to do so which is why you see me somewhat dancing around it.

Gitana did a very good job of taking every bit and showing the pattern. It swayed me and my mind is open to that is exactly what he was doing. However, I also know it is what we often do not hear that affects context.

Where is the conversation of getting to know each other? Where is the detail of when, how and where?

In no way do I mean it is okay but she is out of there. RJP is in jail. On a high bond. It worked.

There is much of the conversation missing though. Even so, I get she is a minor and he is not in any way shape or form. He is twice her age.

I do not know why it is I feel so strongly about this. But I do. Yet I am undecided and will wait to see. If indeed we ever do find out. On a scale of 1 to 10 RJP exploded the scale. On this guy I am undecided so far.

I have no knowledge of him holding her hostage so I must have missed something.

Riding in the trunk of his car? How special of him
 
I think both RP and BR should be charged to the fullest for their crimes. RP's crimes do not justify BR's crimes in any way, shape or form. They are both perverts and they both raped SP. They each need to stand on their own for the crimes they committed against her. There is zero justification. Zero. We should stay focused on that. jmo

Absolutely agree 100%! However, and I usually detest a however, we need to remember the various shades of opinions. I may not agree with those that would forget that first criminal complaint. The shocking revelation that it was clearly RP, raping his fourteen (14) year old daughter. Clear enough to allow an arrest warrant to be finalized. With the rapist in prison, awaiting a trial.

When I realized that BR watched what he made SLP video, and brought SLP to his basement, with nary a worry of her quite fragile state, yeah. He was no hero in my book. A hero would have gotten her to the FBI immediately. He chose not to do so. A hero would have made sure the FBI was made aware of her fragility. Immediately. Now remember, this is all IMHO.

And some might still allow something in those actions not to register. It's all human perspective. Nearly numbed by these horrors. Or perhaps not, we do seem capable of hardening ourselves.

It's survival.

Luckily, SLP chose survival for herself. She saw the lesser of these two evils. Someone previously mentioned that sentence. It stuck in my brain cells.

SLP, quite like Jayme, and I hope okay to write her name out, just to thank the heavens, saved herself. Really, truly, made sure she survived.

These are some mighty brave young women! And I certainly hope they keep on surviving. One day at a time, one week, one month, one year... and wayyyy beyond. May they live long and prosper :)
 
Riding in the trunk of his car? How special of him

Point made but I would like to hear that it was his idea and his only. It is quite clear she did not want to be found or risk going back home either. JP in the JC case removed the way out of the trunk. Has it been said here that SP could not get out on her own if necessary? To me it makes a huge difference. There is also the possibility I have missed those details because I am behind on some threads with the events this week. I can also say I seriously doubt she was in any trunk in WI for very long in those particular weeks of winter. Did he not pick her up and head right to WI? Do we even know for that matter?

Again, if it comes out that this was him, and she had no choice nor say in the matter, I am on the very same page as you. He is the adult twice her age. There is the possibility, however, that she was scared to death to be seen or tracked down until her package was looked at and RJP arrested and was unsure if he even would be or whether he would be out on bail.

I know what I sound like and am well aware of it. You and I generally agree on most cases. I keep seeing gray here for some reason. And not black and white here so far. I am therefore keeping my mind undecided on this one. I have never seen myself the wheels of justice work as quickly as they sometimes need to because we have such bureaucratic bs, and I would think in your profession you have seen that. I would love to believe he could have just run her to the nearest hospital and all would be good forever after. Have you ever had someone harm you and then come to know that person is out on bail or worse not arrested at all? The fear is indescribable. I rarely go there but I will say on this one remark this is from personal experience and I was an adult, not a child.

RJP though we can run wild with--I have my mind entirely made up there and have convicted him. I give him more time and circumstances than the law likely allows.

A pretty well known attorney took this case for some reason. From the little I know, I do not think BR and his family even if they wanted to have the funds to pay for same. I think he sees gray. Just speculating though and I have no true knowledge.

Or maybe I was just due to take an unpopular opinion :D

Yet I truly do not have one. I am about 50/50 with WI man. And am more than willing to convict him or acquit him as the case rolls on. Or to sentence him appropriately.
 
Jaycee Dugard was a lot younger but later she did continue to stay with her perp even working in his business and meeting with customers,

Then there is Elizabeth Smart.

To say that she was free to go is very far from the truth. She has no clue about anything in life with males. She has been tormented all of her life.

Would you put someone in a trunk if they begged you to? She could be under a blanket in the back seat.

The trunk is used to intimidate and show power and control. She could even wear a big hat or scarf to cover a lot of her face,
 
Jaycee Dugard was a lot younger but later she did continue to stay with her perp even working in his business and meeting with customers,

Then there is Elizabeth Smart.

To say that she was free to go is very far from the truth. She has no clue about anything in life with males. She has been tormented all of her life.

Would you put someone in a trunk if they begged you to? She could be under a blanket in the back seat.

The trunk is used to intimidate and show power and control. She could even wear a big hat or scarf to cover a lot of her face,

I get you completely and almost did not see this post.

I have put someone in a trunk that begged me to. They did not want to pay at the drive-in theater.

Do we know when this was? I don't so I will claim ignorance. If it was when they were mailing the tape for instance, or getting it to the feds, a mailbox is federal and the feds are as well. The fear may well have been cameras and reviewing tapes once the feds saw the package. A blanket in the back seat would be a dead giveaway as would a huge hat or anything. I mean seriously, people try to hide booze under a blanket, etc., a wise cop it is the first place they look. A live person? They would, if they had footage, narrow it down. The trunk is the only possible area a camera may not catch. And the only place if stopped, they may not look without cause. No offense intended.

I in no way think I am necessarily right, however, for some reason there are not dead to right details as there are with *daddy dearest*. And if there were, I would think we would have heard a few more, as well as have seen the further charges speculated about and mentioned.

That being said however, if he is anything like her father or JP in the other case, etc. I hope he ROTS. I want no one to make any mistake about that, if it is the case, I hope he does. I just know I would need a bit more before I could be sure of that if I was on a jury right now. And for that reason, it is something for the prosecution to realize as well. If it is the case, then bring it on and he deserves it.

JRP on the other hand, as stated, no problem. I want to put him away for ten lifetimes just for the dog. For her, I will not even say what I would like to see as it would probably violate TOS.

ETA By *father* I mean the stepdad and not the bio dad I wish to clarify.
 
Point made but I would like to hear that it was his idea and his only. It is quite clear she did not want to be found or risk going back home either. JP in the JC case removed the way out of the trunk. Has it been said here that SP could not get out on her own if necessary? To me it makes a huge difference. There is also the possibility I have missed those details because I am behind on some threads with the events this week. I can also say I seriously doubt she was in any trunk in WI for very long in those particular weeks of winter. Did he not pick her up and head right to WI? Do we even know for that matter?

Again, if it comes out that this was him, and she had no choice nor say in the matter, I am on the very same page as you. He is the adult twice her age. There is the possibility, however, that she was scared to death to be seen or tracked down until her package was looked at and RJP arrested and was unsure if he even would be or whether he would be out on bail.

I know what I sound like and am well aware of it. You and I generally agree on most cases. I keep seeing gray here for some reason. And not black and white here so far. I am therefore keeping my mind undecided on this one. I have never seen myself the wheels of justice work as quickly as they sometimes need to because we have such bureaucratic bs, and I would think in your profession you have seen that. I would love to believe he could have just run her to the nearest hospital and all would be good forever after. Have you ever had someone harm you and then come to know that person is out on bail or worse not arrested at all? The fear is indescribable. I rarely go there but I will say on this one remark this is from personal experience and I was an adult, not a child.

RJP though we can run wild with--I have my mind entirely made up there and have convicted him. I give him more time and circumstances than the law likely allows.

A pretty well known attorney took this case for some reason. From the little I know, I do not think BR and his family even if they wanted to have the funds to pay for same. I think he sees gray. Just speculating though and I have no true knowledge.

Or maybe I was just due to take an unpopular opinion :D

Yet I truly do not have one. I am about 50/50 with WI man. And am more than willing to convict him or acquit him as the case rolls on. Or to sentence him appropriately.
ilovechili, first I want to make it clear that none of my continuing ranting is leveled against you; it's important to me that you know I'm just really down on BR (and of course RP) and I respect your ability to keep an even keel while we don't yet have all the info.

Part of my anger at him is because he knew SLP was in a tough spot and I agree that it would have been almost impossible for her to reach out to anyone else. She was newly located to a rural setting and further isolated because she was being homeschooled so who exactly would she reach out to? Her mother says she wasn't aware and while I don't buy it or why SLP wouldn't have told her, right now we don't really know.

And, I can see where maybe SLP bugged and begged BR to come get her. Heck, she may have been fine with hiding in the trunk, basement, whatever. She may even have had a crush on the guy.

But... she's 14 so in my mind any attempt to manipulate BR or talk him into coming to get her is totally irrelevant. She's 14 and he's 31 and should know better. He sure as hell knew enough to keep his own identity and actions from LE - that tells me he thought things through. Yet he went ahead with an odious plan.

I'll bet they exchanged pleasant messages prior to her revealing her situation. So what? I'll bet she felt comfortable with him. So what? He has 17 years of experience on her and due to the abuse she endured she may be "young" 14. So what? That doesn't change the facts.

I don't care what she said or did to get him to come get her. She was a child desperately trying to escape what only could be called a living hell. It's his actions that I abhor for which I cannot find any justification. He's right where he belongs and I hope he spends time in prison. Maybe then he'll stay off games meant for teens. Bah!
 
ilovechili, first I want to make it clear that none of my continuing ranting is leveled against you; it's important to me that you know I'm just really down on BR (and of course RP) and I respect your ability to keep an even keel while we don't yet have all the info.

Part of my anger at him is because he knew SLP was in a tough spot and I agree that it would have been almost impossible for her to reach out to anyone else. She was newly located to a rural setting and further isolated because she was being homeschooled so who exactly would she reach out to? Her mother says she wasn't aware and while I don't buy it or why SLP wouldn't have told her, right now we don't really know.

And, I can see where maybe SLP bugged and begged BR to come get her. Heck, she may have been fine with hiding in the trunk, basement, whatever. She may even have had a crush on the guy.

But... she's 14 so in my mind any attempt to manipulate BR or talk him into coming to get her is totally irrelevant. She's 14 and he's 31 and should know better. He sure as hell knew enough to keep his own identity and actions from LE - that tells me he thought things through. Yet he went ahead with an odious plan.

I'll bet they exchanged pleasant messages prior to her revealing her situation. So what? I'll bet she felt comfortable with him. So what? He has 17 years of experience on her and due to the abuse she endured she may be "young" 14. So what? That doesn't change the facts.

I don't care what she said or did to get him to come get her. She was a child desperately trying to escape what only could be called a living hell. It's his actions that I abhor for which I cannot find any justification. He's right where he belongs and I hope he spends time in prison. Maybe then he'll stay off games meant for teens. Bah!

This is an exceptional post and I cannot argue with it.

The same here Ms Marple, never any offense intended and I do not take any, never worry about that. I enjoy discussion and I myself do not know why in this case I am having such a sticking point. I ask myself that (and answer myself lol :D) all of the time.

If one looks at my posts, I say repeatedly he was twice her age and I also say repeatedly that I in no way am saying he does not deserve what he gets if certain things are the case. To date, I simply have seen nothing that proves anything to me. If the allegations against BR are proven, then I am right there with everyone and ready to see him pay. With *dad* I do not have that problem whatsoever.

Again, exceptional post. No offense taken and none meant in return. I will continue to ask myself why I feel this way, and I would stress again that the way I feel is 50/50, simply undecided. I do have reasons from a few things I have seen in my lifetime that perhaps play in but want to stay within TOS.
 
In all aspects of the case against BDR, the charges against him on the federal level and the decision not to charge on the state level(so far at least), anything that is based on proving intent or would require SP's testimony or corroboration is seeming not to happen.
 
In all aspects of the case against BDR, the charges against him on the federal level and the decision not to charge on the state level(so far at least), anything that is based on proving intent or would require SP's testimony or corroboration is seeming not to happen.

And IMO we need to keep an open mind on the great choices they are making, in protecting this child's rights. In keeping her from having to relive her recent past. In helping to let her reclaim her life. She is a survivor. A warrior, if you will. Oh gee I'm going corny here.

I think back to how we once treated our victims...heck we still don't treat them as well as they should be. WE, all of us on this planet, need to better improve our systems of Justice. To better recognize the traumas all of our victims encounter. And do whatever we can do to honor their strength. Their courage. Their methods of survival. Because they survived. And will continue to do so.

I may have hijacked your thoughts. My apologies if so. Your post just got me thinking. Scary, I know. Chuckle :)
 
I hope and would expect that charging authorities in both states and at both federal and state level are communicating and are pulling together charges for both men that have the best information for conviction. They only need ONE SA charge to put RP away for the rest of his life, and as much as I would love to see him charged for each and EVERY one of the assaults, that is just redundant in the eyes of the law and impossible to prove. The same goes for BDR, in my eyes, the federal charges can be proven, the possible SA charges as relates to the federal charge has such a level of intent to be proven that they are wisely IMO not going down that road.
Through all of this is a 14 year old girl, who in the eyes of the law cannot give consent for anything, but she may be giving her opinion very loud and clear and maybe someone is now listening. IMOO.
 
I get you completely and almost did not see this post.

I have put someone in a trunk that begged me to. They did not want to pay at the drive-in theater.

Do we know when this was? I don't so I will claim ignorance. If it was when they were mailing the tape for instance, or getting it to the feds, a mailbox is federal and the feds are as well. The fear may well have been cameras and reviewing tapes once the feds saw the package. A blanket in the back seat would be a dead giveaway as would a huge hat or anything. I mean seriously, people try to hide booze under a blanket, etc., a wise cop it is the first place they look. A live person? They would, if they had footage, narrow it down. The trunk is the only possible area a camera may not catch. And the only place if stopped, they may not look without cause. No offense intended.

I in no way think I am necessarily right, however, for some reason there are not dead to right details as there are with *daddy dearest*. And if there were, I would think we would have heard a few more, as well as have seen the further charges speculated about and mentioned.

That being said however, if he is anything like her father or JP in the other case, etc. I hope he ROTS. I want no one to make any mistake about that, if it is the case, I hope he does. I just know I would need a bit more before I could be sure of that if I was on a jury right now. And for that reason, it is something for the prosecution to realize as well. If it is the case, then bring it on and he deserves it.

JRP on the other hand, as stated, no problem. I want to put him away for ten lifetimes just for the dog. For her, I will not even say what I would like to see as it would probably violate TOS.

ETA By *father* I mean the stepdad and not the bio dad I wish to clarify.

Ah, I remember the drive-in trunk riders! :) And you now make me wonder if we will even hear any further details? The Federal Charges are what we are seeing. Anything beyond that might very well be overkill. Would adding another 10 or 15 years to his Federal Time really be justice? Which, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe to be 15-30 years?

Ah, intent. What were BR's intentions? What were SLP's? To escape her hell? To send the man that almost killed her spirit, to jail? Almost. She may have been suicidal. She did write those words. But she really did orchestrate her escape. Even if it was with an alleged pervert.

And I pray she keeps surviving. She really deserves a good life.

ETA: Spelling fix; where'd that 's' come from?
 

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