New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

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New Zealand to ban semi-automatics, assault rifles



#BREAKING: Military-style semi-automatic guns and assault rifles will be banned in New Zealand in the wake of the Christchurch mosque massacre.
If there was no political opposition to this kind of gun control in the past why didn't New Zealand's government take action years ago? Didn't they learn from Australia's example?

Wouldn't that kind of action by the leaders of the country prevented this horrific slaughter of innocent people?

Why did it take all of these deaths to get something done by New Zealand's politicians?
 
They have to consider the options.

Semi-automatic guns that hold seven-bullet magazines are unrestricted in New Zealand. Restricted semi-automatic weapons take a larger magazine. There is no restriction on buying magazines, so anyone can buy the larger magazines. With a small modification to the unrestricted weapon, it becomes equal to a restricted weapon.

If modification of the unrestricted weapon cannot be prevented, and if restriction on buying the larger magazine is not realistic, then the only option is to ban those weapons. Many countries have restrictions on ownership of weapons for good reasons - every once in a while, someone with one of those weapons goes nuts.
That's my question. Why weren't these weapons banned years ago by the goverment of New Zealand?
 
I really would like to know the answer to those questions.

I'm an American and have read numerous posts on other threads from people in other counties ask why things are the way they are in America after mass shootings.

This is no different.

This happened in New Zealand. It has shocked the nation.
That experience should not be compared to countries where mass murders are common.
 
We did have a couple of knowledgeable kiwi posters that could have answered all of these questions, but unfortunately we lost them during the “NZ must really suck” tirade that going on here.
That's a shame.

I get "the United States really sucks" all of the time and it doesn't scare me off.
 
This happened in New Zealand. It has shocked the nation.
That experience should not be compared to countries where mass murders are common.
I'm not comparing whats going on in New Zealand with anything.

I'm asking questions about New Zealand specifically.
 
It's a different perspective. If you think about for a moment, everyone in the USA believes that they live in the greatest country in the world. They think they are the only country in the world who knows their country is the greatest. Even the happiness scale shows the USA is #18, so not the greatest and no reason to presume that another view is incorrect.

An Australian madman went to New Zealand, bought a semi-automatic weapon, modified it to take more rounds, prepped himself with online lunatics, walked into a religious building, live broadcast with a go-pro head band and started shooting. He is clearly nuts.
Thank you Otto,thats it in a nutshell,NZ is more used to dealing with earthquakes,this is something that they ahve never dealt with before,like Australia with Port Arthur,the gun laws went into place and nothing like that has happened again,I pray we will be able to say the same for NZ.
 
Most people don't fear getting shot in the West. You are not free when your gov't controls what you see or what you say. That's just the truth to most people.

I fear getting shot all the time in CA. And not by gang bangers. I fear getting shot in church, at a political rally, at a crowded concert, a parade, a restaurant and definitely in my office, by some crazed, disgruntled person.

I think most Americans do. Just watch how people react when a firecracker goes off somewhere in a crowded area when it's not near Fourth of July.

Fear of mass gun death is part of our culture. Some people think arming more will prevent those deaths others think that will increase the odds of getting killed as more people on the edge become armed.

But why the heck are we debating what New Zealand does? They're very free there. Very. Free in many ways that we aren't. And if they chose to give up arms that's not the government taking away their freedom. That's them creating a social contract for the good of their nation.

But New Zealand isn't the US. We have a very unique culture here (my BA is in American Studies so I know it pretty well) and guns have been a part of it from the moment we became a nation.

Guns are part of our western mythology. They're part of our American identity. They're part of the fabric of our country, whether you like that or not and regardless of the ramifications.

Guns for many represent freedom, self reliance, independence, the little guy persevering over the tyrant, etc.

People in other countries don't realize how embedded guns are here and that as result, what happens in other counties regarding gun control is not going to happen here. If it didn't happen after Newtown it is not going to happen ever without fundamental changes to our national thinking.
 
That's a shame.

I get "the United States really sucks" all of the time and it doesn't scare me off.
The thing is RANCH, NZ is a beautful country with a wonderful peaceful population who are filled with empathy for their fellow citizens and that creates a harmonistic happy life. ‘Fact is NZ doesn’t suck. NZers are travellers and they see the world and then they come home. And when they get home they say “lucky us, we live in a sane and beautiful land and we also make a delightful cold climate pinot noir...we will live happily ever after in the land of the long white cloud. No, NZ does not suck. It’s taken a blow, but this country is really creating the definite guidebook on how to move on from somthing horrid like this with rational decisions made with conviction. Go NZ!
 
Why not?

Is New Zealand somehow immune from madmen domestic or foreign?

It's a small nation with a lot of social safety nets (socialist democracy) and a pretty unified society from what I've seen, so no. The things that tend to increase the risks of a madman opening fire aren't as apparent in NZ from what I've seen. Overall angst. Loneliness. Fear. Financial stress.

Not like here.

Edit: with not "without" social safety nets.
 
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The thing is RANCH, NZ is a beautful country with a wonderful peaceful population who are filled with empathy for their fellow citizens and that creates a harmonistic happy life. ‘Fact is NZ doesn’t suck. NZers are travellers and they see the world and then they come home. And when they get home they say “lucky us, we live in a sane and beautiful land and we also make a delightful cold climate pinot noir...we will live happily ever after in the land of the long white cloud. No, NZ does not suck. It’s taken a blow, but this country is really creating the definite guidebook on how to move on from somthing horrid like this with rational decisions made with conviction. Go NZ!
Post of the day.
 
Why not?

Is New Zealand somehow immune from madmen domestic or foreign?

Apparently not. An Australian madman (not the first) went to a foreign country and committed mass murder. He planned to attack a 3rd Mosque. Other criminals have been known to go to foreign countries to commit a murder (Joran v.d.Sloot). It happens.

This mass murderer went to a foreign country to commit mass murder because it was easier to obtain semi-automatic fire power. He could just have easily have gone to the USA.
 
One time I was chatting on an American Forum regarding our gun laws,they were quite horrified that our constitution never gave us the right to bear arms..I had to remind them that we started out as a penal colony,the Red Coats were not about to start handing out guns to us lol.
 
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