Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #13 *ARREST*

[Sammie1970]

Seems like the police have released as much as they are going to today ..wouldn't be suprised if that's not the last update today

The pattern so far is the police are releasing to public one step behind their own info so next step could be release identity when post mortem is completed? JMO

 

[JosieJo]

It's a terrible question but at this stage surely visible identification by a family member wouldn't be possible?

 

[JosieJo]

The pattern so far is the police are releasing to public one step behind their own info so next step could be release identity when post mortem is completed? JMO

True ..they may have felt the need to officially confirm female as it had been leaked

 

[Sera]

It's a terrible question but at this stage surely visible identification by a family member wouldn't be possible?

Most likely DNA or dental records IMO.

 

[Cherwell]

Formal identification is still yet to take place and we remain unable at this stage to confirm her identity.

Could this be as something as simple as keeping the media at arms length for now? Hoping it wont become a circus?

"Formal identification is still yet to take place" - there's really nothing more to read into it.

 

[Vermont24]

It's a terrible question but at this stage surely visible identification by a family member wouldn't be possible?

As I understand it, visual identification is secondary and usually done with closely-cropped images of distinctive characteristics rather than viewing the whole body in situ.

 

[Cherwell]

It's a terrible question but at this stage surely visible identification by a family member wouldn't be possible?

Not necessarily. There may be distinguishing marks, such as a birthmark or tattoo.

 

[Sera]

No new info in this article but BBC now also linking the body to Libby.

BBC News - Missing Libby Squire: Police find woman's body in water
Libby police find woman's body in water

 

[Miss_French]

I agree - the police state that "formal identification is expected to take place following the post-mortem", so they must have prepared somebody to do that.

Identification can be made simply by viewing a distinguishing mark such as a tattoo or birthmark.

'Formal identification' just means that certain criteria have been used to confirm an ID. There's no requirement for a relative, for example, to identify a body, especially if the circumstances of the death or immersion in water means the body isn't easily recognisable. If it's traumatic, the authorities may show NOK photos of clothing, jewellery or identifying marks, but DNA or dental records can suffice.

 

[Miss_French]

I believe that cold and salty water will protect the body more than fresh and warm.

It's the temperature that's crucial. Bacteria that cause a body to decompose are less active in cold water.

 

[Cherwell]

'Formal identification' just means that certain criteria have been used to confirm an ID. There's no requirement for a relative, for example, to identify a body, especially if the circumstances of the death or immersion in water means the body isn't easily recognisable. If it's traumatic, the authorities may show NOK photos of clothing, jewellery or identifying marks, but DNA or dental records can suffice.

Yes, but what I meant was that, from the wording, it sounds as though identification is imminent.

 

[TheCasual]

I don't want to make any sort of predictions on who the body is, but this doesn't feel good at all.

 

[Vermont24]

I don't want to make any sort of predictions on who the body is, but this doesn't feel good at all.

No. Everything feels somehow different today.

 

[Happylappy101]

Haven't had time to catch up with forum but seen the news. I hope their family and this case finally gets the closure it needs. Heart is so heavy today

 

[BrianJohnson]

No. Everything feels somehow different today.

The fact the Hull coroner has taken over the investigation clinches it for me, its Libby, think anyone thinking otherwise is overly optimistic

 

[KathyA]

Yes, but what I meant was that, from the wording, it sounds as though identification is imminent.

I think the subtitle in the HDM story is telling.

 

[Vermont24]

Haven't had time to catch up with forum but seen the news. I hope their family and this case finally gets the closure it needs. Heart is so heavy today

Glad to have you with us today.

Any idea if a more serious charge would affect PR's date in court down in Sheffield, please?

 

[Miss_French]

Yes, but what I meant was that, from the wording, it sounds as though identification is imminent.

I (mis?)read your comment as 'someone prepared' to make a visual identification. Visual id isn't always reliable and there has to be a 'scientific' method used, the primary criteria being fingerprints, DNA or dental records. How fast this is done depends on workload and them getting dental records etc.

 

[Sera]

Surely at this stage, when a family has been informed, LE would have confirmed that it wasn't Libby if they knew it wasn't. So IMO it has to be her but LE are just waiting on the formal ID to be 100% sure. Even after saying all of this... For some reason there's still part of me that's refusing to believe it's her until LE confirm it.

 

[Joolz1975]

I (mis?)read your comment as 'someone prepared' to make a visual identification. Visual id isn't always reliable and there has to be a 'scientific' method used, the primary criteria being fingerprints, DNA or dental records. How fast this is done depends on workload and them getting dental records etc.

How long would the DNA result needed take to come back if it was done straightaway?