FaCs made orders when WT was about 9 months old to remove him as BD and BM wanted to remain in a relationship together. They decided to abscond, BD says he was the main drive behind that idea and BM says she just couldn't bring herself to hand WT over. They approached BD's father's wife who talked of it with his father and they put them up for an indeterminate amount of time but they were picked up by the police in a private rental they had obtained in Gordon, 4-5 weeks after they absconded. In the time they absconded, WT's sister had a birthday and they didn't visit as they were in hiding. Coroner said that must have been a very hard time for you making that choice to which BM agreed. They had no real plan and weren't thinking very hard ahead. BM described herself as incarcerated after that event, but no idea for how long and if it was specifically around this incident. When they absconded she did present to FaCs minus WT. Orders were made after WT was retrieved that he be in the care of the minister until he was 18. BM and BD were granted 6 supervised visits per year with the proviso that if things went well with the visits that they could apply to get more which she did apply for. She regularly attended. BD when he could as he was working 6 days a week and trying to make life better for everyone, they wanted to work to have the children back into their own care. BM was asked was she aware of the care plans being made for WT moving forward and an application for adoption. She said she read it in the report. According to people at the court who were listening to the testimony on Monday, the case worker was crying when asked this question and said that the biologicals had not been informed. BD stated that he had not been informed prior to WT going missing. BM said she probably would have told BD, she did tell her family and she did tell BD's family. She stated that she was not happy about it and didn't want that to happen. BD said that in the scheme of things he doesn't really think about the adoption issue and is only thinking about where WT could be, what's happened to him.